God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread

[KLOL506]

I always thought that was bullshit lmao. I still think CAS could take Kratos tho. Cant he get just adapt to like, anything? Lol

CAS is 6D to Hope Kratos' 5D IIRC.

 

[Gasper]

CAS is 6D to Hope Kratos' 5D IIRC.

just you wait till yggdrasil is low 1-C

 

[KLOL506]

just you wait till yggdrasil is low 1-C

It'll be a long time before that happens LOL

 

[Georredannea15]

CAS is 6D to Hope Kratos' 5D IIRC.

Btw only his AP and Dura 6D have nothing to resist conceptual haxs. Most of the hax on his profile are wrong and will be fixed.

Is Manhattan 5-D or 6-D?

Likewise, Manhattan doesn't have much of hax. He's durability is star level.

 

[Gasper]

Btw only his AP and Dura 6D have nothing to resist conceptual haxs. Most of the hax on his profile are wrong and will be fixed.

Likewise, Manhattan doesn't have much of hax. He's durability is star level.

To be fair, 1 million suns is not meant literally

 

[Georredannea15]

To be fair, 1 million suns is not meant literally

Bro is still star level

 

[Georredannea15]

Btw, I woke up with Dante vs Kratos excitement but was disappointed when confronted with Sonic.

 

[TheGod]

Let's not go that far.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Actually what if we get more evidence for low 1-C Yggdrasil? What will Athena's tiering be then?

 

[KLOL506]

Actually what if we get more evidence for low 1-C Yggdrasil? What will Athena's tiering be then?

Unfortunately, still Low 1-C.

 

[KLOL506]

Btw, I woke up with Dante vs Kratos excitement but was disappointed when confronted with Sonic.

I thought Dante was downgraded to Low 1-C but the downgrades have not been applied yet.

 

[chosen]

just you wait till yggdrasil is low 1-C

Oh yeah if low 1c yggdrasil back i think athena and kratos will actually be 6d

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Unfortunately, still Low 1-C.

Just way higher into it, like 6-D or 7-D, huh

 

[Hasty12345]

I agree with 6D Athena FRA

 

[Georredannea15]

Unfortunately, still Low 1-C.

At least, she upgrade to 6-D, Of course, if that happens.

 

[KLOL506]

Just way higher into it, like 6-D or 7-D, huh

7D is 1-C.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

7D is 1-C.

Word?

So just 6-D.
And Dante is 9D right?

 

[Georredannea15]

Word?

So just 6-D.
And Dante is 9D right?

Dante will downgrade to Low 1-C /5-D

 

[Planck69]

CAS is 6D to Hope Kratos' 5D IIRC.

Tbf Kratos was adapting to 4-D stuff as a 3-D Demigod.

 

[Gasper]

How big is surtr?

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Dante will downgrade to Low 1-C /5-D

Y?

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

170 pages, wow.

 

[Planck69]

This thread is one of the most active discussions on site.

 

[KLOL506]

Y?

9D scans got nuked in the new beta at the cost of making PoC canon.

 

[Georredannea15]

9D scans got nuked in the new beta at the cost of making PoC canon.

In short, bury them.

 

[Lilixa]

I expect kratos vs dante thread will have 1000+ post replies

 

[KLOL506]

I expect kratos vs dante thread will have 1000+ post replies

Dante isn't Low 1-C yet.

 

[Lilixa]

btw if ygrdassil has something like this would that mean yggdrassil has possibility of low 1-C tier ?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/can-you-get-2-a-tier-by-having-infinite-size-relative-to-multiple-4-d-object.153999/

 

[Lilixa]

Dante isn't Low 1-C yet.

yeah. Can't wait to read and see the most comprehensive and elegant argument ever about kratos vs dante

 

[KLOL506]

btw if ygrdassil has something like this would that mean yggdrassil has possibility of low 1-C tier ?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/can-you-get-2-a-tier-by-having-infinite-size-relative-to-multiple-4-d-object.153999/

Tried that for Ygg already in another failed CRT, Ultima said this:

Ultima: Muddy territory, frankly. 2-A is generally a much safer starting point for that, since we don't really accept that there any any jumps in size that are higher than "baseline" 2-A but smaller than Low 1-C (See the standards on the destruction of multiple infinite multiverses); the smallest skip in size at that point is just Tier 1. Meanwhile with Low 2-C we are forced to include a bunch of shit between it and Low 1-C.

Me: I see.

Ultima: Although speaking in terms of raw logic, then I'll note that encompassing an infinitely large structure alone isn't necessarily an infinity higher than it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_line_(topology). Take this thing, for example.
In a way you can say that, compared to the real number line, it extends a lot further.
Since the real number line is made of a countably infinite amount of intervals placed side-by-side (Intervals like, say, [0,1] or [1,2], I'm sure you know what I'm talking about)
While the long line is made of an uncountably infinite number of such intervals.
Despite that "increased" length the long line is still a 1-dimensional object.
It's not 2-D.
So, there being something that says "Yeah the structure is, in fact, larger than what it encompasses" is important.

Me: So there needs to be a direct statement that is akin to like "This structure views those structures as X-sized (Far smaller than it)/insignificant" or similar is absolutely required then? A structure being deemed infinitely big and it encompassing realms but there being no direct comparison like the above wouldn't qualify it for Tier 1, correct?

Ultima: Yeah.

 

[Lilixa]

Guys, i have plan to read this book and create some review thread about it. Wish me luck

btw entire vs wiki thread mods should read this. I recommended this book.

 

[Georredannea15]

Tried that for Ygg already in another failed CRT, Ultima said this:

Ultima: Muddy territory, frankly. 2-A is generally a much safer starting point for that, since we don't really accept that there any any jumps in size that are higher than "baseline" 2-A but smaller than Low 1-C (See the standards on the destruction of multiple infinite multiverses); the smallest skip in size at that point is just Tier 1. Meanwhile with Low 2-C we are forced to include a bunch of shit between it and Low 1-C.

Me: I see.

Ultima:
Although speaking in terms of raw logic, then I'll note that encompassing an infinitely large structure alone isn't necessarily an infinity higher than it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_line_(topology). Take this thing, for example.
In a way you can say that, compared to the real number line, it extends a lot further.
Since the real number line is made of a countably infinite amount of intervals placed side-by-side (Intervals like, say, [0,1] or [1,2], I'm sure you know what I'm talking about)
While the long line is made of an uncountably infinite number of such intervals.
Despite that "increased" length the long line is still a 1-dimensional object.
It's not 2-D.
So, there being something that says "Yeah the structure is, in fact, larger than what it encompasses" is important.

Me: So there needs to be a direct statement that is akin to like "This structure views those structures as X-sized (Far smaller than it)/insignificant" or similar is absolutely required then? A structure being deemed infinitely big and it encompassing realms but there being no direct comparison like the above wouldn't qualify it for Tier 1, correct?

Ultima: Yeah.

...And when some of the dreams are shattered. However, it can still be tried and we will not lose hope.

 

[KLOL506]

...And when some of the dreams are shattered. However, it can still be tried and we will not lose hope.

Maybe some day, when the new games come out and make the size comparison crystal clear. Or maybe it just throws out the same shit as Athena in tandem to say something for its existential level and level of power to bypass the size requirement.

 

[Lilixa]

Tried that for Ygg already in another failed CRT, Ultima said this:

Ultima: Muddy territory, frankly. 2-A is generally a much safer starting point for that, since we don't really accept that there any any jumps in size that are higher than "baseline" 2-A but smaller than Low 1-C (See the standards on the destruction of multiple infinite multiverses); the smallest skip in size at that point is just Tier 1. Meanwhile with Low 2-C we are forced to include a bunch of shit between it and Low 1-C.

Me: I see.

Ultima:
Although speaking in terms of raw logic, then I'll note that encompassing an infinitely large structure alone isn't necessarily an infinity higher than it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_line_(topology). Take this thing, for example.
In a way you can say that, compared to the real number line, it extends a lot further.
Since the real number line is made of a countably infinite amount of intervals placed side-by-side (Intervals like, say, [0,1] or [1,2], I'm sure you know what I'm talking about)
While the long line is made of an uncountably infinite number of such intervals.
Despite that "increased" length the long line is still a 1-dimensional object.
It's not 2-D.
So, there being something that says "Yeah the structure is, in fact, larger than what it encompasses" is important.

Me: So there needs to be a direct statement that is akin to like "This structure views those structures as X-sized (Far smaller than it)/insignificant" or similar is absolutely required then? A structure being deemed infinitely big and it encompassing realms but there being no direct comparison like the above wouldn't qualify it for Tier 1, correct?

Ultima: Yeah.

Alright, interesting. Btw so 2-A yggdrassil is actually possible ?

 

[KLOL506]

Alright, interesting. Btw so 2-A yggdrassil is actually possible ?

No. 2-A is dead. Well of Urd is dead. BURY IT.

Ultimately tho, even that alone (Or infinitely dwarfing a 4-D space-time continuum) doesn't guarantee us Tier 1 automatically. That was the point of his comment.

 

[Georredannea15]

Maybe some day, when the new games come out and make the size comparison crystal clear. Or maybe it just throws out the same shit as Athena in tandem to say something for its existential level and level of power to bypass the size requirement.

There is actually an infinite difference between a structure that is not infinite by default and an infinite structure on the wiki. Because a non-infinite structure can never reach an infinite structure. The difference between them is always endless. So, like the difference between Aleph 0 and any integer in its subset...

Of course, you can get Low 1-C by supporting this statement with other statements. There are examples of this in the Tier Low 1-C . I'm sure we'll do Low 1-C before the new game comes out...

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

9D scans got nuked in the new beta at the cost of making PoC canon.

Damn just like Ragnarok nuked the tree and the well of urd lmao

 

[KLOL506]

There is actually an infinite difference between a structure that is not infinite by default and an infinite structure on the wiki. Because a non-infinite structure can never reach an infinite structure. The difference between them is always endless. So, like the difference between Aleph 0 and any integer in its subset...

Of course, you can get Low 1-C by supporting this statement with other statements. There are examples of this in the Tier Low 1-C . I'm sure we'll do Low 1-C before the new game comes out...

Highly unlikely that's gonna happen TBF. Just gotta play the waiting game.

 

[Planck69]

Damn just like Ragnarok nuked the tree and the well of urd lmao

Tbh, I find it wild that if not for that one section in the new game, Kratos would be 2-A right now in his other keys.

We could've had Kratos vs the Anti-Monitor ;-;

 

[Georredannea15]

Highly unlikely that's gonna happen TBF. Just gotta play the waiting game.

In fact, it is a topic that needs to be discussed, but there is a time for everything. We persevered and we finally got it.