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God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread

Andika_CL_atmadja said:
btw if ygrdassil has something like this would that mean yggdrassil has possibility of low 1-C tier ?

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Tried that for Ygg already in another failed CRT, Ultima said this:

Ultima: Muddy territory, frankly. 2-A is generally a much safer starting point for that, since we don't really accept that there any any jumps in size that are higher than "baseline" 2-A but smaller than Low 1-C (See the standards on the destruction of multiple infinite multiverses); the smallest skip in size at that point is just Tier 1. Meanwhile with Low 2-C we are forced to include a bunch of shit between it and Low 1-C.

Me: I see.

Ultima: Although speaking in terms of raw logic, then I'll note that encompassing an infinitely large structure alone isn't necessarily an infinity higher than it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_line_(topology). Take this thing, for example.
In a way you can say that, compared to the real number line, it extends a lot further.
Since the real number line is made of a countably infinite amount of intervals placed side-by-side (Intervals like, say, [0,1] or [1,2], I'm sure you know what I'm talking about)
While the long line is made of an uncountably infinite number of such intervals.
Despite that "increased" length the long line is still a 1-dimensional object.
It's not 2-D.
So, there being something that says "Yeah the structure is, in fact, larger than what it encompasses" is important.

Me: So there needs to be a direct statement that is akin to like "This structure views those structures as X-sized (Far smaller than it)/insignificant" or similar is absolutely required then? A structure being deemed infinitely big and it encompassing realms but there being no direct comparison like the above wouldn't qualify it for Tier 1, correct?

Ultima: Yeah.
 
Andika_CL_atmadja said:
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btw entire vs wiki thread mods should read this. I recommended this book.
 
KLOL506 said:
Tried that for Ygg already in another failed CRT, Ultima said this:

Ultima: Muddy territory, frankly. 2-A is generally a much safer starting point for that, since we don't really accept that there any any jumps in size that are higher than "baseline" 2-A but smaller than Low 1-C (See the standards on the destruction of multiple infinite multiverses); the smallest skip in size at that point is just Tier 1. Meanwhile with Low 2-C we are forced to include a bunch of shit between it and Low 1-C.

Me: I see.

Ultima:
Although speaking in terms of raw logic, then I'll note that encompassing an infinitely large structure alone isn't necessarily an infinity higher than it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_line_(topology). Take this thing, for example.
In a way you can say that, compared to the real number line, it extends a lot further.
Since the real number line is made of a countably infinite amount of intervals placed side-by-side (Intervals like, say, [0,1] or [1,2], I'm sure you know what I'm talking about)
While the long line is made of an uncountably infinite number of such intervals.
Despite that "increased" length the long line is still a 1-dimensional object.
It's not 2-D.
So, there being something that says "Yeah the structure is, in fact, larger than what it encompasses" is important.

Me: So there needs to be a direct statement that is akin to like "This structure views those structures as X-sized (Far smaller than it)/insignificant" or similar is absolutely required then? A structure being deemed infinitely big and it encompassing realms but there being no direct comparison like the above wouldn't qualify it for Tier 1, correct?

Ultima: Yeah.
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...And when some of the dreams are shattered. However, it can still be tried and we will not lose hope.
 
Georredannea15 said:
...And when some of the dreams are shattered. However, it can still be tried and we will not lose hope.
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Maybe some day, when the new games come out and make the size comparison crystal clear. Or maybe it just throws out the same shit as Athena in tandem to say something for its existential level and level of power to bypass the size requirement.
 
KLOL506 said:
Tried that for Ygg already in another failed CRT, Ultima said this:

Ultima: Muddy territory, frankly. 2-A is generally a much safer starting point for that, since we don't really accept that there any any jumps in size that are higher than "baseline" 2-A but smaller than Low 1-C (See the standards on the destruction of multiple infinite multiverses); the smallest skip in size at that point is just Tier 1. Meanwhile with Low 2-C we are forced to include a bunch of shit between it and Low 1-C.

Me: I see.

Ultima:
Although speaking in terms of raw logic, then I'll note that encompassing an infinitely large structure alone isn't necessarily an infinity higher than it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_line_(topology). Take this thing, for example.
In a way you can say that, compared to the real number line, it extends a lot further.
Since the real number line is made of a countably infinite amount of intervals placed side-by-side (Intervals like, say, [0,1] or [1,2], I'm sure you know what I'm talking about)
While the long line is made of an uncountably infinite number of such intervals.
Despite that "increased" length the long line is still a 1-dimensional object.
It's not 2-D.
So, there being something that says "Yeah the structure is, in fact, larger than what it encompasses" is important.

Me: So there needs to be a direct statement that is akin to like "This structure views those structures as X-sized (Far smaller than it)/insignificant" or similar is absolutely required then? A structure being deemed infinitely big and it encompassing realms but there being no direct comparison like the above wouldn't qualify it for Tier 1, correct?

Ultima: Yeah.
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Alright, interesting. Btw so 2-A yggdrassil is actually possible ?
 
Andika_CL_atmadja said:
Alright, interesting. Btw so 2-A yggdrassil is actually possible ?
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No. 2-A is dead. Well of Urd is dead. BURY IT.

Ultimately tho, even that alone (Or infinitely dwarfing a 4-D space-time continuum) doesn't guarantee us Tier 1 automatically. That was the point of his comment.
 
KLOL506 said:
Maybe some day, when the new games come out and make the size comparison crystal clear. Or maybe it just throws out the same shit as Athena in tandem to say something for its existential level and level of power to bypass the size requirement.
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There is actually an infinite difference between a structure that is not infinite by default and an infinite structure on the wiki. Because a non-infinite structure can never reach an infinite structure. The difference between them is always endless. So, like the difference between Aleph 0 and any integer in its subset...

Of course, you can get Low 1-C by supporting this statement with other statements. There are examples of this in the Tier Low 1-C . I'm sure we'll do Low 1-C before the new game comes out...
 
Georredannea15 said:
There is actually an infinite difference between a structure that is not infinite by default and an infinite structure on the wiki. Because a non-infinite structure can never reach an infinite structure. The difference between them is always endless. So, like the difference between Aleph 0 and any integer in its subset...

Of course, you can get Low 1-C by supporting this statement with other statements. There are examples of this in the Tier Low 1-C . I'm sure we'll do Low 1-C before the new game comes out...
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Highly unlikely that's gonna happen TBF. Just gotta play the waiting game.
 
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