God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread

[Planck69]

Kratos was still holding back a lot. And QTE's don't mean much, in GoW3 Poseidon while badly injured can oneshot Kratos in a failed QTE

Why do you think this though? Legitimately, you could make the case before in their first fight but here there's actually no "higher Kratos" that we've been shown for it to be a held back state. Other than his bloodlusted self.

Difference is though, that Poseidon is blatantly game cohesion and all of Thor's showings have him presented as a formidable foe to Kratos. Such as the death blow in the first bout and how Thor can grapple Kratos pretty good at times, to name a few.

He tries not to kill Thor yeah but that's not him "holding back a lot". He can get his neck snapped, he'd have died there if he didn't change his ways as per developers, Thor actually pushes him hard in that battle etc.

Bloodlusted Kratos is is End of III state, whom Thor doesn't scale to at all.

Compare that to the Odin fight, where Kratos had zero reason to hold back and Odin still matched him.

Odin had his magical versatility for that though. He canonically scales below Thor in strength. The artbook, cosplay guide and Odin's VA say as much.

 

[Eseseso]

Thanks.

I may have issues with the reference footnotes so if I end up making an error on Kratos's profile I apologize.

Changes are done.

We have multiple stages of Norse Kratos depending on his emotional level. Refer to the Rage Index I previously posted to get a better idea.

Stage 3 Kratos is comparable to GoW2 Zeus.

Thor was humbled by a holding-back Stage 3 Kratos.

That he did.

Yeah, you can't really say Kratos wasn't serious against him, especially since he had no reason to not be serious against a dude who gloated about wanting to kill Atreus, in contrast to wanting to save Thor.

More so that the strength of the fires in the blades were on par with those of Surtr's.

Pretty sure the BoC's fires scale above Surtr's on its profile.

 

[Eseseso]

Why do you think this though? Legitimately, you could make the case before in their first fight but here there's actually no "higher Kratos" that we've been shown for it to be a held back state. Other than his bloodlusted self.

Difference is though, that Poseidon is blatantly game cohesion and all of Thor's showings have him presented as a formidable foe to Kratos. Such as the death blow in the first bout and how Thor can grapple Kratos pretty good at times, to name a few.

He tries not to kill Thor yeah but that's not him "holding back a lot". He can get his neck snapped, he'd have died there if he didn't change his ways as per developers, Thor actually pushes him hard in that battle etc.

Bloodlusted Kratos is is End of III state, whom Thor doesn't scale to at all.

Ok, that's all fair.

Odin had his magical versatility for that though. He canonically scales below Thor in strength. The artbook, cosplay guide and Odin's VA say as much.

Raw Strength-wise yes, but he still should have higher overall AP with his magic., and his physical strength/durability should still be comparable to Thor's, especially since he matched Kratos's raw strength twice.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Off-topic but was the Egyptian thing an april fools thing all along?

 

[BlastX]

Cause I did remember Poseidon making some good one-liners

did thor make any?

-¿Te pensas que porque ganó argentina me voy a olvidar de lo que hiciste? Mataste a mi hermano-

-Y ahora te voy a romper el orto hijo de la remil puta-

-Pelado tobogán de piojos-

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Ok, I got a problem with some of the evidence that GoW III Zeus stomps GoWII/beginning of GoW III Kratos. The attack that Zeus used to knock Kratos off of Olympus clearly was a charged attack given how much time Zeus prepared the lightning, so it wasn't like this casual bolt he summoned from his hand but a full-powered strike. Secondly, the attack didn't one-shot Kratos: it just knocked Kratos off Mount Olympus. The only one who actually looked injured was Gaia, but Kratos seemed perfectly fine, and even Gaia didn't look grievously injured afterward. So I don't see how that attack would justify Zeus as having jumped to a whole new level of power. I'm aware there's other evidence for Zeus' RE, but I'm just contesting this specific instance.

 

[chosen]

Gow 2 Zeus without ad vs Hercules

 

[chosen]

Odin had his magical versatility for that though. He canonically scales below Thor in strength. The artbook, cosplay guide and Odin's VA say as much.

When Odin va said that

 

[KLOL506]

Ok, I got a problem with some of the evidence that GoW III Zeus stomps GoWII/beginning of GoW III Kratos. The attack that Zeus used to knock Kratos off of Olympus clearly was a charged attack given how much time Zeus prepared the lightning, so it wasn't like this casual bolt he summoned from his hand but a full-powered strike.

LMAO what

He literally channeled it into his usual sized bolts and hurled it at Kratos and Gaia. It was most definitely casual no matter how you slice it. It just shows just how much stronger Zeus has become within that timeframe.

Secondly, the attack didn't one-shot Kratos: it just knocked Kratos off Mount Olympus. The only one who actually looked injured was Gaia, but Kratos seemed perfectly fine, and even Gaia didn't look grievously injured afterward. So I don't see how that attack would justify Zeus as having jumped to a whole new level of power. I'm aware there's other evidence for Zeus' RE, but I'm just contesting this specific instance.

What cope is this.

Gaia's left arm got torn off, barely hanging on big-ass vines, Kratos got hurled back and couldn't do jackshit about it. Like seriously, what is this godawful take?

 

[Planck69]

Zeus tosses Kratos away with one bolt of lightning when previously, you were shrugging off blasts focused by the Blade of Olympus and weren't empowered by Athena's divinity on top of that.

 

[Planck69]

When Odin va said that

A recent interview. How Odin isn't the strongest god.

 

[Dust_Collector]

While I'd hesitate to call what Zeus did to Kratos a one shot he clearly rocked his shit in a way he just couldn't in their previous fight. That lightning bolt at the start of GOW III does noticeably more to Kratos than any of his attacks in GOW II did, that bolt sent my man Kratos flying at mach speeds when previously those bolts were like, just sorta staggering him.

 

[KLOL506]

Zeus tosses Kratos away with one bolt of lightning when previously, you were shrugging off blasts focused by the Blade of Olympus and weren't empowered by Athena's divinity on top of that.

This too. Kratos with the BoO could resist GoW2 Post-Zenkai Zeus' full onslaught of lightning, even if briefly with great effort. Here a single bolt of lightning was enough to shitcan Kratos.

 

[Eseseso]

And I find it hilarious that Gaia's profile says she can crush Zeus and Post-Hades Kratos when a single bolt from Zeus severed most of her arm.

 

[KLOL506]

While I'd hesitate to call what Zeus did to Kratos a one shot he clearly rocked his shit in a way he just couldn't in their previous fight. That lightning bolt at the start of GOW III does noticeably more to Kratos than any of his attacks in GOW II did, that bolt sent my man Kratos flying at mach speeds when previously those bolts were like, just sorta staggering him.

It didn't just rock his shit, it rocked Gaia's shit to the point where her left arm was nearly torn off. This is nothing short of a decisive one-shot.

 

[chosen]

A recent interview. How Odin isn't the strongest god.

Do You have it?

 

[Planck69]

Do You have it?

Nah. It's on YouTube though. "The eternal power of Odin or sum shit."

 

[BlastX]

She obviously eat some of the stuff she fed Zeus when she raised him, so she got a Zenkai herself

 

[Eseseso]

It didn't just rock his shit, it rocked Gaia's shit to the point where her left arm was nearly torn off. This is nothing short of a decisive one-shot.

And I find it hilarious that Gaia's profile says she can crush Zeus and Post-Hades Kratos when a single bolt from Zeus severed most of her arm.

 

[Dust_Collector]

It didn't just rock his shit, it rocked Gaia's shit to the point where her left arm was nearly torn off.

Well tbf he would've been able to dunk on her just as hard before GOW III

 

[chosen]

Nah. It's on YouTube though. "The eternal power of Odin or sum shit."

Alr

 

[KLOL506]

And I find it hilarious that Gaia's profile says she can crush Zeus and Post-Hades Kratos when a single bolt from Zeus severed most of her arm.

Honestly just remove that shit from Gaia's profile at this state.

Do You have it?

Yes.

 

[Planck69]

I think the funniest part is how the bolt was aimed for Kratos directly. The indirect blast wasted her.

 

[KLOL506]

I think the funniest part is how the bolt was aimed for Kratos directly. The indirect blast wasted her.

LOL yeah. It was hard-aimed at Kratos, the sheer shockwave blasted Gaia's arm to kingdom come and sent her hurling from the mountain.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I know it's been said a thousand times before, but DAMN Zeus really is built different

 

[BlastX]

Whatever Gaia fed him while she raised him must have been the stuff of legends, she didn't give it to Chronos certainly

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

LMAO what

He literally channeled it into his usual sized bolts and hurled it at Kratos and Gaia. It was most definitely casual no matter how you slice it. It just shows just how much stronger Zeus has become within that timeframe.

I don't know how you could classify the lightning bolt Zeus used as casual. It took more than 30 seconds to channel energy from the clouds into a lightning bolt that was placed into Zeus' hand before he fired it. Why didn't he instantly generate the lightning bolt instead? That would've a been casual attack.

What cope is this.

Gaia's left arm got torn off, barely hanging on big-ass vines, Kratos got hurled back and couldn't do jackshit about it. Like seriously, what is this godawful take?

Ok, I admit Gaia was critically injured. But Kratos couldn't do jack-shit about it cuz he was falling and had no way to fly, and cuz the game makers needed Kratos to fall so he could fight Hades. But that doesn't specifically mean the lightning bolt instantly weakened or defeated him. Kratos wasn't shown with near the same injuries, the same cackling electricity surrounding his body the way that Gaia was.

I'm not saying that Zeus didn't get stronger. All I'm saying is that evidence doesn't specifically display he became strong enough to one-shot Kratos.

 

[Eseseso]

I know it's been said a thousand times before, but DAMN Zeus really is built different

For real

 

[Eseseso]

Btw, is there any Norse person who could possibly beat Hades or Ares?

And I was thinking, for Poseidon vs either Thor or Freya, doesn't he have soul hax?

Honestly just remove that shit from Gaia's profile at this state.

On it.

 

[Planck69]

I know it's been said a thousand times before, but DAMN Zeus really is built different

Funnily enough, the novels take it even further.

Him toying with a bolt of lightning between his fingers scares Poseidon and Hades and makes them fear for their lives.

He considered flicking the Blade of Olympus and sending Hades the way of Ares.

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

A recent interview. How Odin isn't the strongest god.

Personally, I find that stupid. Odin was capable of fighting Kratos, Freya, and Atreus all at once for quite a while. Freya has ABSOLUTELY no reason to hold back, and anybody who says she did is high. Sure, Kratos was holding back, but I don't see why he'd hold back more than he held back against Thor, especially considering he'd feel much less sympathy or understanding for Odin than he would for Thor. I feel like it'd be more in terms of physical strength, Thor is strongest, but Odin's got plenty of magic buffs to help even the odds for himself.

 

[Eseseso]

I think AP wise Odin is stronger, but Thor has more raw physical power.

 

[Planck69]

Personally, I find that stupid. Odin was capable of fighting Kratos, Freya, and Atreus all at once for quite a while. Freya has ABSOLUTELY no reason to hold back, and anybody who says she did is high. Sure, Kratos was holding back, but I don't see why he'd hold back more than he held back against Thor, especially considering he'd feel much less sympathy or understanding for Odin than he would for Thor. I feel like it'd be more in terms of physical strength, Thor is strongest, but Odin's got plenty of magic buffs to help even the odds for himself.

Local vs member learns that more factors go into a multi-person fight than "more numbers win".


More at eleven.

 

[KLOL506]

I don't know how you could classify the lightning bolt Zeus used as casual. It took more than 30 seconds to channel energy from the clouds into a lightning bolt that was placed into Zeus' hand before he fired it. Why didn't he instantly generate the lightning bolt instead? That would've a been casual attack.

He needed to prove a point. Also refer to what Planck said. Kratos was tanking said bolts left and right amped by BoO while himself having only Titan Powers to stave off the bullshit, then Zeus climbs and negs them both.

Ok, I admit Gaia was critically injured. But Kratos couldn't do jack-shit about it cuz he was falling and had no way to fly, and cuz the game makers needed Kratos to fall so he could fight Hades.

Dude, he literally has the goddamn wings of Icarus, WTF do you mean he can't fly?

He couldn't do anything because the sheer force of the attack was too much for him to handle to the point where he couldn't even hold on to the Blade lodged into Gaia. The same ******* Kratos who as a Demigod could climb the impossibly tall Pandora Mountain for 3 straight days without stopping, drinking or eating.

But that doesn't specifically mean the lightning bolt instantly weakened or defeated him.

Dude. We literally see it happen on screen.

Kratos wasn't shown with near the same injuries, the same cackling electricity surrounding his body the way that Gaia was.

You don't need to be injured or have any of those side-effects for a one-shot to take effect. If anything that's a minus on Gaia.

Even if Zeus got stronger, that evidence doesn't specifically display he became strong enough to one-shot Kratos.

You're literally being pedantic about this. We see the entire thing happen on screen.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Ok, I got a problem with some of the evidence that GoW III Zeus stomps GoWII/beginning of GoW III Kratos. The attack that Zeus used to knock Kratos off of Olympus clearly was a charged attack given how much time Zeus prepared the lightning, so it wasn't like this casual bolt he summoned from his hand but a full-powered strike

Zeus uses weather charged attack several times throughout GoW2, they never one shot Kratos.
Zeus used BoO liberally against Kratos in 2 and yet never one shot him. Zeus was going all out against Kratos in 2, GoW2 has impressive visuals to showcase it. Even moreso in novel.
GoW3 isn't special in that aspect. If you want a more impressive visual feat then just look at Zeus soloing Titans with a single blast.
Now unless you wanna say that was the last time Zeus ever used BoO in full power and never used full power again....... you can see how ridiculous that train of thought derails logic.

Don't look too much into visuals, it looks impressive but isn't that important narrative wise for power. Such things happen throughout fiction.

Secondly, the attack didn't one-shot Kratos: it just knocked Kratos off Mount Olympus. The only one who actually looked injured was Gaia, but Kratos seemed perfectly fine, and even Gaia didn't look grievously injured afterward. So I don't see how that attack would justify Zeus as having jumped to a whole new level of power. I'm aware there's other evidence for Zeus' RE, but I'm just contesting this specific instance.

It absolutely one shot him, look at that cutscene again properly. Kratos had BoO out even then he couldn't even hold on to his grip on Gaia. Like.... even as a demigod Kratos has scaled Pandora's Temple for 3 days and night without rest. Regularly scales vertical steeps through obstacles and enemies with crazy stunts without sweat like ******* Spiderman.
And somehow at start of 3 he was unable to hold on to himself?
It's obvious Zeus rocked his shit.
He didn't just fell, he straight up died and went to Underworld. Killed two times by his daddy.

 

[BlastX]

Man, Kratos really went through all that effort in GOW2 to regain his Godhead, defeat the fates and take control of his own destiny (and destroy the concept of fate as a whole) bring back the Titan race only for Zeus to go "L+bozo" and one shot him.

No wonder he was so pissed off after that.

 

[Eseseso]

Honestly just remove that shit from Gaia's profile at this state.

Done!

The Poseidon stuff is valid, albeit she downscales.

 

[Planck69]

To be fair, Kratos should've probably thought things through when he heard Atlas end his flashback with "And so Zeus oneshot the entire Titan race".

 

[KLOL506]

Man, Kratos really went through all that effort in GOW2 to regain his Godhead, defeat the fates and take control of his own destiny (and destroy the concept of fate as a whole) bring back the Titan race only for Zeus to go "L+bozo" and one shot him.

No wonder he was so pissed off after that.

This was no longer about being humbled, this was now deeply personal. So personal in fact that he would rip apart the entire pantheon just to see himself rip out Zeus' entrails with his bare hands to give him some semblance of fulfillment.

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

You know I was playing God of War III, and I realized that the camera doesn't move automatically with Kratos. I've been playing the two most recent GoW games, so it took me by surprise and kinda annoyed me that I have to position Kratos in a certain way to see things. Anybody else feel that way?