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I think?Can I then have the mass the same as Kratos' LS?
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I think?Can I then have the mass the same as Kratos' LS?
you mean LS same as mass? Please doCan I then have the mass the same as Kratos' LS?
16821305.3 kg*9.81*45.6944444444 = 7540360367.03 J or 1.8021893802653 Tons Of TNT, or 8-C+/Building Level+. Finally...Well how do I prove it...
Okay that's the GBE, 1202136.99041*9.81*45.6944444444 = 538872932.663 J, or 0.12879372195578 Tons Of TNT/Small Building again for 16 9-A feat (Height of center of gravity is 50% of total height, i might be misremembering, that's why i hate GBE)
He’s probably the most consistentI find it funny how demigod Kratos will be the one of the most consistently 9-A dudes on the site.
16821305.3 kg*9.81*45.6944444444 = 7540360367.03 J or 1.8021893802653 Tons Of TNT, or 8-C+/Building Level+. Finally...
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I mean jokes aside it should actually be at least considered wheter it is one, I have no horse in this race I just thought it should be brought upI sense a gow haters in you
there is still something that bothers me, were we really taking the height as 50%? (please say no, and come High 8-C gow)outlier
eh maybe other monsters have the almost same GBE value tooI mean jokes aside it should actually be at least considered wheter it is one, I have no horse in this race I just thought it should be brought up
Yeah I get thatI mean jokes aside it should actually be at least considered wheter it is one, I have no horse in this race I just thought it should be brought up
@Hellbeast So I checked and unfortunately he doesn't fight any Titans in GoW 3. He does engage a Titan in Atlas retelling of the Great War in Gow 2, though it's hard to make out in the background.
If the latter doesn't work then we'll have an Infinite Speed 9-A.As if Atreus wwasn't enough.
Considering many an opponent in GoW only harms Kratos so gameplay can even happen, I'm a bit unsure.It also doesn't help that the other Titans are Featless. But to be fair, he can temperately stun Kratos with his strikes, if that helps?
Considering many an opponent in GoW only harms Kratos so gameplay can even happen, I'm a bit unsure.
Consistency in itself isn't too important, what matters is if the feats are casual or not. If 16 of the calcs are Kratos flicking his pinky at an enemy and causing 9-A damage, who cares. But if in a lot of them he needs to put significant effort in the feat, or is hurt by it, then that's worth considering.Yeah I get that
I definitely think there’s something to be said for the sheer consistency of 9-A with its 17 calculations at this point
öhmConsistency in itself isn't too important, what matters is if the feats are casual or not. If 16 of the calcs are Kratos flicking his pinky at an enemy and causing 9-A damage, who cares. But if in a lot of them he needs to put significant effort in the feat, or is hurt by it, then that's worth considering.
I just want to be surethere is still something that bothers me, were we really taking the height as 50%? (please say no, and come High 8-C gow)
technically Atlas/World Pillar is a 2C as currently accepted, Low2C is for Cronos, High 3A is for Helios.A few questions:
When was it established that Kratos using the Gauntlet of Zeus to chain Atlas' hands back to the world is unquantifiable? Wouldn't that logically be a High 3-A likely Low 2-C possibly 2-C feat thanks to Atlas' lifting strength?
I did mention it, in fact I also pointed out between that, being a Demigod and the statement from the GOW I Novelization that Kratos gaining the Blades of Chaos made him "near Olympian" that he would be far superior to the Warriors. I brought up the Warrior because:Alright, finally free for the time being so I can make my response to the OP.
Now regarding the scaling, are you ignoring the entire WoG statement that's gotten approval in this site where Castor and Pollux are stated to be superior to the Champions? The same twins that Kratos defeated? Because that's another reason why he would scale to them.
Because Power Source does not equal casual output; you can have a weapon with 7-B power being used to output Tier 9 or 8 attacks, we've been through this.How exactly does it not scale to the weapons when they use the weapon without any showings of holding back on top of withstanding their blows? Newton's third law of physics would scale their durability to their AP from that at bare minimum.
Because the Tier 7 stuff comes specifically fromAlso you admit that they tear apart these weapons regularly, meaning it's something they can do normally without much effort, so how exactly is that a debunk when it's not them going all out? The calcs that we have for the furies beg to differ given they're shown to have tier 7 feats at their higher ends so Idk why you're arguing this is a thing Kratos lacks in the first place.
Because why should we assume he's hitting with Typhoon level force with every attack Glass?How is this an issue when he's in the epicenter of the typhoon and is unfazed by the attack?
We've covered this extensively with GilverIf anything this just helps to back up tier 7 Kratos more than tier 9 Kratos, also there is proof of a universal power system in God of War, Kratos amps the numerous weapons he gains in Ascension with his magic to make them physically stronger, nearly every single power bestowal from the gods themselves that they give to kratos utilizes magic in order to use them, even Atlas' powers which is raw strength is used in magic, so it does check off the universal energy system, meaning they do scale magic to physicals.
You misunderstand my point and I ask you to go back and read the postThe illusions she makes become real as you can get, hell you literally see a cutscene where one of the furies impale one of the soldiers and use it against kratos, the fact that Kratos physically makes contact with one of the walls that she makes that has no wall there prior, and the fact that she makes a giant water tornado that Kratos AND Alecto are physically swimming through. The fact she can do just that proves these are more than just mindgames since she's trying to affect kratos, not her sisters, yet her sisters can affect the reality she made. And once again we already established a universal energy system to be a thing in god of war, so this should scale to her stats. Though the fact she also made a moon as well could be used as an argument for 5-A furies knowing how pocket dimensions with moons work but I'm not gonna argue that right now.
Well most of them have caveats but let's go through themHow can you say that they lack any other feats on this level when we already have several?
Textbook Environmental Destructionthe storm creation
Read any time the Spear has come upand the spear?
I mean I read through the page and specifically responded to certain criteria using Alecto's feat so please explain how I'm misusing stabilization feats here.This is just another tier 7 feat that the furies scale to, 2 of those 3 feats THEY did so that argument doesn't make any sense when we have proof they have these feats on these levels. Also that's not how stabilization feats work dude.
Compelling, unfortunately it's destroyed in a chain reaction so it wouldn't be 7-B regardlessIt does not count if the thing that's being stabilized will be gone in a LONG period of time, such as a week or a month, the destruction happens IMMEDIATELY after she dies, meaning she checks off the stabilization feat standards, so her feats do stay.
Aegean is currently scaled as being stronger then Atlas and the Titan Race based in raw upper body strength and aided the Gods in their war. This would completely wreck the power scaling in the verse because that would mean Kratos scales to the God Tier early on if you take this as a purely physical fight. I'm fairly sure that, as a knowledgeable member for the verse you would have been aware of this so IDK why you're leaving out that context.Also are we seriously gonna ignore the fact that they managed to stop and torture the Hecatonchires, a giant behemoth of a titan that dwarfs many to the point his literal body is capable of becoming a giant prison with many different floors inside and outside of his body?
We've deemed for a long time that the Gauntlet of Zeus is unquantifiable because punching chains hard enough to stop you from moving them is really just a weird LS thingIf the gauntlet of zeus is capable of pinning down the titans to the point they couldn't break out themselves. Including Atlas of all people, the same guy who has 2 feats of holding the weight of the worlds with the hammer, AND the fact he held the world after the world pillar was destroyed,
Because most Titans like Oceanus or Thera barely have any feats and we only have profiles for a few because of this?yes I think it should scale to the titans, and where is this nonsense that the titans are featless when the titans are the ones who defeated the primordials? The guys who made the universe? That's the exact opposite of being featless.
I mentioned the Python feat for a while and no one calculated it; you're completely welcome to calculate it yourself or have it requested. Realistically it should have been calculated during your upgrade thread for the Lifting Strength but that didn't happen.Ok, why in the hell did you guys decide to calc these random feats but NOT the snake calc? Why are we wasting time calcing these random feats that hold no bearing on the current ratings whatsoever and just focus on THAT one we have? Sounds more logical than this leap of getting random feats that Kratos can do easily.
We're not; we're using these to create a range of feats from which to gauge what tiers Kratos could be; that's the whole point of the thread.Alright, this is something I've been meaning to tear down, why in the world are we assuming that these random, blink-and-you-miss-it feats are considered Kratos at his strongest pre Pandora's Box?
I've gone through several walkthroughs for the context so I'd like to ask what you mean by "Oh this lacks context"Most of these feats, crashing through the giant metal snake, breaking wooden barriers while fighting fodder, breaking a door down in one hit (which btw makes all of these other QTEs where he breaks a similar thing down casual as hell), breaking down rocks, something even persephone does casually, and killing a cyclops (one of the most common form of enemies Kratos kills by the dozen btw), as well as numerous other feats that lack context here, are casual as hell for these characters.
Casual but also her only AP feat at all so we kind of have to go with it dudethe GPE of Alecto, something done by moving, is very very very casual as hell for her.
Except Dragon Ball has consistently Planetary - Cosmic feats, scaling and multipliers putting them above the level you imply.If we seriously accept this as the standard rating for kratos pre Pandora's Box, then Dragon Ball as a whole shouldn't go passed tier 8 or 7 because there's so many random clips of characters crashing into buildings or giant rock formations and don't do any form of physical damage there that it's the only spot they're at, and flat out ignore the context of the character's power levels and where their higher end feats go.
I kind of hate this attitudeNeedless to say, I severely disagree with this mentality, and the same applies to both the lifting strength calcs and the 9-A calcs here, Cory Barlog himself even said that these are only there so the game can have a certain flow when clearly Kratos has shown to have far stronger feats than he does in gameplay.
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And yeah that's cool dude, we'll call you when we're donei'll unwatch this thread since it seems like we're back to debating, if you need any more help with calculations message me again
We could probably leave a request on the Calc thread @Yar_R_agi_7k has pretty much carried this revision enoughI feel like we should calc this snake feat before we move forward.
He frees it from a strap holding it down, that it couldn't break.Does Kratos carry the Serpent there himself somehow with his lifting power?
It's a robotic version of the serpent killed by Apollo, but I'm unsure what it's made of1. Is that snake really a snake or a robot-like thing made of elements such as iron, stone, etc.?
ı see, then potential energy can't be made.He frees it from a strap holding it down, that it couldn't break.
It's a robotic version of the serpent killed by Apollo, but I'm unsure what it's made of
I love helping peopleI’m really going to be owing you favours for all this help
so do you have a photo of thisbut my biggest problem is that I can't see the length of the Snake, so do you have a photo of its length?
Just click the link on Kratos' profile. You'll see it.so do you have a photo of this
I agree with this, I brought this up as well. Apparently the Furies tank this Typhoon, and only get slowed down., I said he's literallly in the epicenter of a typhoon when it's being done and he's NOT TAKING DAMAGE, actually address my argument instead of tackling an argument I didn't make
But that's not a durability feat, is it? What would happen if you stood in hurricane/typhoon? (Other than die)I agree with this, I brought this up as well. Apparently the Furies tank this Typhoon, and only get slowed down.