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if you're talking about the video, ı can't see the full size thereJust click the link on Kratos' profile. You'll see it.
Damn. Well I'm not sure if there's any concept art of it. But I'll try to see what I could findif you're talking about the video, ı can't see the full size there
Well, I looked as hard as I could. The serpent's full size is never shown, so it might be even higher than Class GDamn. Well I'm not sure if there's any concept art of it. But I'll try to see what I could find
But would it be possible for you to get a result there? And Kratos could have a possibly or likely far higher rating?if you're talking about the video, ı can't see the full size there
Yeah, man. I think it would be better with an "At least likely far higher" rating. I couldn't even find any full size concept art of itYeah the snake just goes on and on and on until it reaches the tower. Class G was considered a decent lowball since that’s where “the largest man made structures” are calced around, and seeing the giant metal snake it’s not hard to see that being comparable to Class G
Yeah, me too. But it Class T would make a little sense if you wank it, but G's fine. Not to mention Kratos does it pretty casually.Just keeping it at class G is fine for me if we can’t get a big money shot of the snake. If you wanted to highball if you might argue it’s Class T since it circles around entire mountains with seemingly no end, but that’s a bit of a stretch, so where it’s at right now is fine.
I agree with this assessment of the explosion feat. Can someone give me the arguments for storms scaling to physical strength, though? That's very much a non-standard thing now, we tend to include that as Environmental Destruction.That'd be Environmental Destruction and probably a chain reaction
You can see her ink ignites separately to create several explosions that destroy her temple. At most you could scale Kratos to one of those smaller explosions (even though I'd note we never see him tank them)
P̶l̶u̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶l̶u̶c̶k̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶l̶l̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶9̶-̶A̶
EDIT: Rewatched the Chains of Olympus thing and I'm thinking this is a power the tree has; she specifically claims that the tree is what "releases the sins of your past" (this referring to Kratos power being drained). There's also visual stuff like
She does mention Kratos "foolishly disarming" himself but I think this is more referential of Kratos casting his weapons at the tree; letting the powers he gained be absorbed by it. So yeah this definitely doesn't work as Kratos energizing his own weapons (especially since the feat involves powers be taken from his baldes; not him willing them to greater strength)
- The tree begins to glow with some golden light from within as Kratos gives up his powers
- Kratos' orbs are sucked by the tree (symbolically representing his powers)
- The Blades seem to lose their power starting from the points on the tree (which I think further implies it's the tree)
There is actually only one problem even for G, it might be probably 80% empty inside because you (or we whatever) said it was made like a snake prototype and in this video, I don't know if this is another snake robot but we see it's empty inside too, so I have doubts.Just keeping it at class G is fine for me if we can’t get a big money shot of the snake. If you wanted to highball if you might argue it’s Class T since it circles around entire mountains with seemingly no end, but that’s a bit of a stretch, so where it’s at right now is fine.
Yeah, I'm not sure this is the one Kratos rides, there are multiple of them, I could be wrong one this one thoThere is actually only one problem even for G, it might be probably 80% empty inside because you (or we whatever) said it was made like a snake prototype and in this video, I don't know if this is another snake robot but we see it's empty inside too, so I have doubts.
since at least we saw that it is a very similar structure also a snake-like prototype, so I think we need the length of the snake, and then it should be calculatedYeah, I'm not sure this is the one Kratos rides, there are multiple of them, I could be wrong one this one tho
The insides have a lot of inner structure inside of it. You have numerous times in that area where you walk inside of the snake structures and there’s floors and different elevations and other materials inside of it, so it’s not exactly hollowThere is actually only one problem even for G, it might be probably 80% empty inside because you (or we whatever) said it was made like a snake prototype and in this video, I don't know if this is another snake robot but we see it's empty inside too, so I have doubts.
What do you mean physically there? Physical storms are allowed to scale, but generally it only scales to Environmental Destruction. I'm asking for proof that it isn't that, not that the storm is real or whatever. That said a mountain sized character sounds a lot more reliable of a feat to me, why are we not using that?@Mr._Bambu the storm feat checks off the creation feats requirements, the fact that it’s physically there with numerous examples of it being physically made as opposed to it being an illusion, the fact that it’s done in a short timeframes, the fact that the same person uses it physically in combat to attack others, one of those people she and her sisters subdues is a giant Titan that dwarfs an entire mountain. So it scales to her physicals.
The illusions she makes become real as you can get, hell you literally see a cutscene where one of the furies impale one of the soldiers and use it against kratos, the fact that Kratos physically makes contact with one of the walls that she makes that has no wall there prior, and the fact that she makes a giant water tornado that Kratos AND Alecto are physically swimming through.
The pyramids of Giza, the statue of liberty, the effel tower, the colossus of Rhodes, yes we built them. With our bare hands? Of course not. The cyclopes were specifically stated on two different scans to be strong enough to do thisAs for the cyclops thing... is it? We built the Pyramids and the Great Wall of China, and we're Human level. Point to me the tier that's required to build something
Ok so I was going to make this just about Ascension Kratos but then i realised this bullshit exists. Yeah so basically Persephone being the tier she is right now is dumb as hell. The reasoning is that she shattered the World Piller with her death explosion and this somehow extends to her regular power. This current reasoning leaves massive holes because of a few major issues
So not only does Persephone not perform a feat on her own that we think she did, our current rating for her basically ***** the scaling’s comprehensiveness. This needs to be amended immediately and this is fairly easy to do, just separate Persephone’s physical stats to her self destruction feat. It’s much more consistent with her being a relatively minor deity in the pantheon and with the fact we don’t see her perform top tier feats otherwise. Now this might just be a minor impact but there’s one thing that gets affected; the Gauntlet of Zeus.
- If Persephone has the ability to just do this, why did she go on this huge scheme with Atlas? Why did she bother freeing Atlas to have him steal Helios’ power and then use him to shatter the Pillar That Holds The World? It’s just a massive amount of effort to expend when she can just do it herself
- Persephone is an absolutely irrelevant deity and we’re implying she’s = to the likes of an empowered Atlas
- We’re ignoring Atlas had several strikes in on the pillar before Persephone’s death, meaning it may well be somewhat weakened
- Persephone didn’t even destroy the whole pillar, there’s still a large portion Atlas is standing on
So Chains of Olympus Kratos gets top tier scaling based on the Gauntlet killing Persephone which obviously gets nuked if we downgrade Persephone. The other stuff adding to its current ratings are as follows:
Going one by one will help address this. Firstly Atlas is impressive but unquantifiable since it’s Kratos punching chains hard enough for Atlas to not move (or at least we’ve treated it as unquantifiable). The other Titans are the same but the issue then is then added to because these Titans are kinda featless.
- It chains Atlas
- It was used to chain the other captive Titans
- It killed Charon, who stomped Kratos
So what about Charon? Well he doesn’t help much either since, while he beats Kratos in a straight fight (one of the few to do this),
He's not overwhelmingly stronger than the Ghost of Sparta and wins the fight by getting out of reach and wearing Kratos down with his magical attacks (if the boss fight is to be believed). Kratos even draws blood from Charon and slices through him with his own scythe during the QTE!
First and foremost lets do away with inaccurate description of phenomenon. Its absolutely not a "Self-Destruction", neither is it prep-time based with accumulated power. As an analogy DBZ Vegeta who actually has self destruction doesn't scale it above separate and above his own physicals.
- If Persephone has the ability to just do this, why did she go on this huge scheme with Atlas? Why did she bother freeing Atlas to have him steal Helios’ power and then use him to shatter the Pillar That Holds The World? It’s just a massive amount of effort to expend when she can just do it herself
While the Pillar is weakened, its durability is not unquantified. As long as it can hold up the world it is clearly 2C. Persephone destroyed a significant portion of the pillar. So her feat is not unquantifiable either. Also Pillar as an object is supposed to be strong material durability wise, so destroying such material also scales.
- We’re ignoring Atlas had several strikes in on the pillar before Persephone’s death, meaning it may well be somewhat weakened
- Persephone didn’t even destroy the whole pillar, there’s still a large portion Atlas is standing on.
Lets not pretend Chains of Olympus is the most impressive title in series for amount of feats it has for Greek Scaling. (Also best feels in story)
- If Persephone has the ability to just do this, why did she go on this huge scheme with Atlas? Why did she bother freeing Atlas to have him steal Helios’ power and then use him to shatter the Pillar That Holds The World? It’s just a massive amount of effort to expend when she can just do it herself
- Persephone is an absolutely irrelevant deity and we’re implying she’s = to the likes of an empowered Atlas
She performs exactly as we rate her. Its clear as sunrise.So not only does Persephone not perform a feat on her own that we think she did
No it doesn't, this a worthless excuse.our current rating for her basically ***** the scaling’s comprehensiveness.
1st its not self-destruction. 2nd As I already explained, It scales to physicals, any other attempt at "ED,Unquantifiable, et cetra" is going against standards.This needs to be amended immediately and this is fairly easy to do, just separate Persephone’s physical stats to her self destruction feat.
Fake Consistency means jackshit against context, solid feats and scaling.It’s much more consistent with her being a relatively minor deity in the pantheon and with the fact we don’t see her perform top tier feats otherwise.
i'll get into this shortly.Now this might just be a minor impact but there’s one thing that gets affected; the Gauntlet of Zeus.
Lets talk about speed and LS first.Going one by one will help address this. Firstly Atlas is impressive but unquantifiable since it’s Kratos punching chains hard enough for Atlas to not move (or at least we’ve treated it as unquantifiable). The other Titans are the same but the issue then is then added to because these Titans are kinda featless.
- It chains Atlas
- It was used to chain the other captive Titans
- It killed Charon, who stomped Kratos
Gods in GoW affect the world with their mere raw power. Whether its Posiedon as a god of oceans and earth causing earthquakes and tsunamis, or Zeus causing worldwide storms, or Gaia shifting continental tectonic plates. All this is casual enough by just breathing hard, yes by just breathing. All of this scale cuz Universal System of Magic which they use to empower themselves. It absolutely scales to their physicals.Creation can still be ED though?
Like...
Ok. She has illusions. These illusions are physical. She can harm people with them. Ergo she scales to her storms.
I disagree with this because the same logic absolutely wouldn't go for someone making non-illusory things. If I create a weapon in the same game where I create a storm, I should not scale to the storm.
Absolutely use other feats.
As for the cyclops thing... is it? We built the Pyramids and the Great Wall of China, and we're Human level. Point to me the tier that's required to build something.
Kratos being infinite speed with the gauntlet is kinda iffy for me. I mean he heard Persephone call Atlas and he dodged. But then again he was mindhaxxed. And he did outmaneuver Atlas again by chaining him. I was wondering if the Blades of Chaos ignore durability earlier. They draw power from the primordial realm of chaos. They were hurting Charon who Kratos could only kill with GOZ. They were piercing Persephone, and they pierced Atlas. They strike the very life force of their enemies, so that could be the main way. I agree with Immeasurable lifting strength with the gauntlet.Lets talk about speed and LS first.
This is Kratos reacting and Grabbing onto Persephone mid flight. Done with Blades, while Gauntlets are in dimensional Storage.
This a offgaurd mind haxxed Kratos reacting to infinite speed Atlas trying to grab him/ crush him/smash him. Also done with Blades as well as gauntlets.
Kratos also checks out on restraining Atlas. So Infinite/Immeasurable LS as well.
This is Kratos in a pushing beam struggle with Persephone, again showing LS and AP.
Can you show me the scans? Also, again, it absolutely does not qualify for AP to build something over time. This is not a point.The pyramids of Giza, the statue of liberty, the effel tower, the colossus of Rhodes, yes we built them. With our bare hands? Of course not. The cyclopes were specifically stated on two different scans to be strong enough to do this
the fact that his movement is relative Atlas speaks volume on infinite speed.Kratos being infinite speed with the gauntlet is kinda iffy for me. I mean he heard Persephone call Atlas and he dodged. But then again he was mindhaxxed. And he did outmaneuver Atlas again by chaining him. I was wondering if the Blades of Chaos ignore durability earlier. They draw power from the primordial realm of chaos. They were hurting Charon who Kratos could only kill with GOZ. They were piercing Persephone, and they pierced Atlas. They strike the very life force of their enemies, so that could be the main way. I agree with Immeasurable lifting strength with the gauntlet.
I have both of them. But The button to post them isn't working.Can you show me the scans? Also, again, it absolutely does not qualify for AP to build something over time. This is not a point.
I guess you make sense. Whatever the largest finite number you can think of and you apply that to how many times you're faster than light, it wouldn't matter, because an Infinite speed character would literally perceive you as motionless, so yeah, there's literally not a chance in hell Kratos should have dodged that on his own. You're right there. The GOZ amping his Speed as well is his only logical explanation. You have my support on the Persephone thing.the fact that his movement is relative Atlas speaks volume on infinite speed.
Also your logic is flawed, if I tell you a finite speed character that infinite speed attack is gonna hit you, does that mean you could dodge it? Even if I give million years of prep time to you do you think you can dodge INFINITE speed attack. this logic wouldn't work against FTL vs MFTL let alone sub-rel vs infinite.
Persephone should be scaled in full in all 3 stats. AP,LS,Speed.
I think @BEASTHEART880 refering to these?Can you show me the scans? Also, again, it absolutely does not qualify for AP to build something over time. This is not a point.
Yes those are the exact ones I got. Thank you. How do you post these again? The buttons are all jammed
I'm pressing the hyperlink and image symbols, And nothings happening. Or is it just my phone?Just put the image link into either the image option on bar....or use hyperlink on text.
Symbol of Chain is hyperlink and one Symbol of "sun and hills" beside it is image displayer.
Yes, it's literally on the main mp menu. It's real easy on find. I'll try to find it.If scans aren't working you can point out YT videos for this warrior magic stuff. I am pretty sure such statement would be found on multiplayer menu or tutorial or something.
Appreciate you, broK, I'll link it after watching.
Appreciate you, bro