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Yeah no I'm just gonna be blunt and firm, there is literally nothing in the narrative that indicates as such. Cory verbatim puts her above everyone else and calls her arc by far the most important one in all of GoW3.
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God of War: Ascended Athena Upgrade
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Deadass. Like, I'm literally starting to question at this point if Zeus taking that many hits is just plain game mechanics at this point, because if Kratos killed Zeus in physical form again, Fear would spring out to fight him, but with the final choke-slam, Fear ran for its own collective life.
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Just want to say that I'm actually honored to be mentioned.
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That makes the most sense, ngl.
It's like how Cyclops can destroy shit GoW3 Kratos can't.
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No tier 1 expert. but not not seeing Low 1-C, unless I am missing something.
Athena just exists on a higher plane than everyone else, not seeing any R>F, or perceiving everything as infinitesimal.
Athena just exists on a higher plane than everyone else, not seeing any R>F, or perceiving everything as infinitesimal.
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R>F on its own doesn't mean much to grant Tier 1. It's just one way to get there but it on its own ain't enough nor do you actually need that to enter Tier 1.
She has the existential statements and the transcendence statements (Which would qualify for the dimensionality stuff), plus the higher power statements (which would qualify for qualitative superiority).
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Here we go again
Georredannea15
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Not only her existence, also her power level has risen to the same degree(5-D plane of existence) Cory Barlog statemetns this in his interview.
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The R>F relationship is not necessary for qualitative superiority. There are many different examples for that and Cory's interviews make it clear enough that it is a dimensional superiority.
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Pretty much this. R>F is just one way to get there, but it's not mandatory.
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This. When Kratos asks that Athena still appears to be Olympian to him, Athena bluntly replies that appearances can be deceiving.
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The main basis of the upgrade is that this plain is qualitatively superior to the world as a whole, given that it grants her power beyond everyone in the physical world and that would include every pantheon, legend and story that exists, as its own reality or set of realities. Even the Yggdrasil, which is infinitely larger than even other space-time continuums is counted as beneath her and on a lower plane of existence and power than her.
And her power wasn't really comprehensible to Kratos anymore, who's capable of sensing the power level and lethality of any being or weapon he comes across.
Of course, I'll add you to disagree.
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That's it though? Just existing above 4-D and you get 5-D, that seems oddly lax, I don't remember 5-D as defined by the wiki being that easy to get.
There are other ways to get it besides R>F, having multiple temporal axes, having space-time being an extremely small part of a larger one, brane cosmological, but this...
Again no expert, but still.
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Unironically, you just need qualitative superiority stuff and statements that this superiority grants higher power than the lower realm as well.
And the above, provided the smaller cosmological portions are already established.
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I think this rather grants HDE. I disagree
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Athena is not only said to be above 4D. There are many other statements. As Planck said, Athena is also beyond a structure like Ygdrassil, which is infinitely bigger than all spacetimes.
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You literally didn't giva a single argument lmaoo
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No. As I said, I recommend you to review Cory Barlog's statements, in terms of power and existence, she has ascended to a higher dimensional existence plane beyond the reach, power, thought and perception of 4-D beings. She also states that his appearance in the game is a deception.
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If we want to considering Fear Zeus surviving as a Game mechanic, an Outlier or PIS, than that's fine for me. But just make it clear, even surving a single hit from a Low 1-C would make that character Low 1-C, at least in durability. A character can't be infinitesimally weaker than another and somehow survive an hit from him. It would be like a 10-B surviving a 2-A attack and not scale to that in his durability, it's just impossible. But it's slightly off-topic, so I will drop the argument.
Anyways, it's true that maybe the qualitative superiority is not as clear cut as other verses, but I believe that the statements present in the games and in the interviews should be enough to qualify while looking at them together. Taking them singularly they are vague and wouldn't be enough, but looking at the whole context I believe it's enough at least for a possibly, but I still think a full rating is better.
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Gasper, let's not take it too far.
She posted a disagree, just put her up as a Disagree vote and move on. We'll wait for other staff to check.
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Also, no, as said in the OP already, she has the POWER on that level and not just her existence.
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Not required if I am analyzing the evidences in the OP and have my own conclusion in this matter.
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Gasper, don't. She's just one vote amongst many.
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Yes but this also needs the narrative and context to support the fact that he can survive such a hit. If it's just "he didn't subatomize with a punch is completely dominated", it's not really a solid feat, especially in video games where they still need to have QTEs and dramatic scripted moments.
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Then you can watch Cory's
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Well, my comment wasn't meant to be hostile, but if i came across that way, sorry.
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Im neutral for "gained higher power" part (here her power may also qualitatively transcend others.)
Also I don't see anything except 5D HDE with only higher level of existence statements.
So neutral for now.
Also I don't see anything except 5D HDE with only higher level of existence statements.
So neutral for now.
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@Georredannea15 @Gasper
She voted and didn't find it sufficient. I recorded her vote. We can move on.
She voted and didn't find it sufficient. I recorded her vote. We can move on.
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Let's not even get to the argument of how Kratos should be one-shotting all the Gods below him given that he stood his ground against GoW2 Zeus before the latter amped himself to crazy levels. By that logic, BoG GoW3 Kratos should be sub-atomizing Poseidon and Hades with a single poke, because GoW2 Zeus was legitimately powerful enough to turn both of his brothers to dust with finger-sized lightning bolts, and Zeus and his brothers were human-sized here.
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Cory also states how she effectively became higher than everyone else just mere seconds afterwards, from the 1m12s part.
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So they vote without even reading the scans you put on the OP who doesn't know about the verse. The statements is clear, it's not just an existence, she has power on a higher dimensional plane than that of 4-dimensional beings.
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Yes, but that might just be a way of saying how much power her has.
I haven't seen much for qualitative but I am neutral after talking to Planck via dm.
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It isn't just about power, she literally became selfless, without form.
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Georr, stop. She's just one single vote. Focus the energy on the staff instead.
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I'm not one to presume they didn't read it without evidence. It's ultimately down to it being sufficient or not. I have better use of my energy to get bogged down in convincing non-evaluating members with one note votes anyway. So, I note it down and move on.
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Are you talking about her existence or her power?
I still don't think they contain a qualitative transcendence for power
As for her existence, it's definitely 5D, but that's it.
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Her level of existence. The power thing is addressed in the first clip of Cory.
That's literally stated by Cory in the first clip. The second one is just icing on the cake.
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If you accept the realm she ascended as 5D, you have to accept the power she has there as 5D too. She is already getting that power from the realm she ascended.
What differentiates Athena's HDE statements from other HDEs is that she "gains a higher power" from where she ascended. And if you take the higher realm she ascended to as 5D, then the "higher power" there should also be 5D, which is what Cory says in the interviews.
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