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God of War: Ascended Athena Upgrade
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He thought I was talking about the scene where Kratos kills Athena. That's not what I was talking about.
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I knew you weren't talking about the GoW2 scene where Athena gets gaped (Kratos doesn't even have Hope yet at that point LMAO), but rather the GoW3 ending where Kratos pretends to strike Athena only to purposefully miss and then stab himself with it instead to deny Athena the Power of Hope.
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Well, he does. He has it from GOW 1.
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He was literally helpless to do anything against Kratos and was forced back into Zeus' body. That's literally the same as getting beat down by someone magnitudes stronger than you and still surviving, but at the end of the day you're not doing shit to the opposing force and it might as well be a bully-fest. That's not grounds for scaling at all, and with this CRT that justification for Fear Zeus dies a painful death.
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Still wouldn't make sense for a 2-C to survive even 1 hit from a super-bloodlusted Low 1-C.
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He can't access it up until the very end of GoW3. The amount he used was a tiny sliver of it against Ares which is definitely not the level we see in GoW3. Athena blatantly states it was locked inside him under his layers of guilt, until Pandora happened in the final fight and allowed him to unleash its true might on Zeus.
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Easy agree, it’s pretty blatant imo
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2-C and low 1-C are literally separated by the whole infinite gap. Surviving just one such attack is more than enough.
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I know, i was just correcting you.
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Exactly
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A KLOL comment "Low 1-C Zeus dead, bury it."
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No, the higher power did.
We see Tier 7 characters give Tier 8 peeps beatdowns all the time without vaporizing them, nothing new.
Nope, Fear Zeus literally got hurled back into his physical form and was unable to hold up at all, that is absolutely not grounds for scaling at all. It'd literally be the same as an 8-A barely surviving a beatdown from a 7-A character, with the 8-A character being unable to do squat to the 7-A character.
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And I already edited my comment seconds after I realised what you actually meant
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Anyway... let's not derail any more.
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But comparing 8-A and 7-A character with low 1-C is cringe though
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I agree, I just suggested an idea, but right now the focus should be on those in high existence and kratos being low1c
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It still holds basis tho, so there's no point in complaining about that and derailing anymore, so yeah.
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I know, I was thinking about what you said here, so it was natural for you to argue, but I didn't want it to go too far.
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Agree with Ascended Athena and Kratos being Low 1-C, but Fear Zeus should undoubtley have that rating too, althought he would massively downscale from baseline.
The difference between 2-A and Low 1-C is infinite, that's the requirement to be Tier 1 in the first place. A 2-A character would never be able to survive even a single hit from a Low 1-C, because the difference between their level of power is infinite. Comparing this to a 8-A barely surviving hits from a 7-A is extremely wrong, because the difference between 8-A and 7-A is still quantifiable, meanwhile the difference between 2-A (in this case 2-C which makes it even worse), and Low 1-C is infinite, unquantifiable.
At worst, Fear Zeus could scale to Low 1-C durability (downscaling from the Low 1-C PoH Kratos) while his AP would still be 2-C.
The difference between 2-A and Low 1-C is infinite, that's the requirement to be Tier 1 in the first place. A 2-A character would never be able to survive even a single hit from a Low 1-C, because the difference between their level of power is infinite. Comparing this to a 8-A barely surviving hits from a 7-A is extremely wrong, because the difference between 8-A and 7-A is still quantifiable, meanwhile the difference between 2-A (in this case 2-C which makes it even worse), and Low 1-C is infinite, unquantifiable.
At worst, Fear Zeus could scale to Low 1-C durability (downscaling from the Low 1-C PoH Kratos) while his AP would still be 2-C.
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Again, Fear Zeus has absolutely no grounds to scale, he was literally helpless against Kratos and was ultimately forced back into his own physical body, after which, a single choke-slam from Kratos caused Fear to just bail immediately. There's no case for even a downscale to be pulled off in any consequential manner.
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I personally think Fear Zeus doesn't scale.
But this comparison makes no sense.
8-A and 7-A have finite spaces.
2-C and Low 1-C have what? Two infinites? This comparison makes no sense.
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No, because Fear Zeus was legit helpless against Kratos in any sense of the word to even try and muster an attempt and was ultimately hurled back into Zeus' physical body, with a final choke-slam being more than enough to make Fear go "Nah fam, this is all on you, I'mma bail".
The logic is this: You can't scale to a dude you can literally do nothing against but the dude themselves can beat the ever-loving crap out of you without you ever being able to lift up a finger. This works for all tiers. Guess I worded it poorly. It'd be the same as surviving an attack with massive body damage that leaves you crippled and unable to even get back up, you won't scale to it.
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That means your AP doesn't scale, but what about durability?
I just watched the end of GOW 3, and yes, Fear Zeus couldn't do anything against Hope Kratos. But like, Hope Kratos landed nearly 10 Fear Zeus strikes (or more) before he backed off. Why not scale for durability?
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I don't agree that this is a reason not to scale him to L1-C. But I'm not going to go any further on this because I think it would take CRT a bit off topic. How about saving this for another thread if this CRT is accepted?
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He got beat up. He couldn't even slightly budge Kratos when he through an all out punch. And the one time Kratos landed a direct hit with his fists, Fear dissipated.
Like, it's just the game being a game at this point that Zeus lasted that long.
But regardless, his scaling or not isn't that relevant to the thread.
Like, it's just the game being a game at this point that Zeus lasted that long.
But regardless, his scaling or not isn't that relevant to the thread.
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That's whatever. Not really relevant to the thread here.
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By that logic characters losing limbs to a Tier 1 explosion and barely surviving would be grounds to give them a tier. WHICH IT ABSOLUTELY WOULD NOT.
No. There is zero ground for that to go through. Period.
Fair point but that's whatever. Not the point of the thread. We can get rid of it 2 days after if this gets approved.
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