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God-mountain downgrade

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Apex_PredatorX said:
This proposal seems the better choice.

Otherwise we would be here forever with some saying it is AP and others No is not.

Thoughts?
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I'm not compromising here, "others" in this scenario are people who are just going against basic wiki standards. I already addressed the core point presented that leads to this proposal, and you had NOTHING to refute it, except bringing up a new point altogether.

Also Apex, Agnaa doesn't represent my views so I would rather you quit extending your rsolutions with him towards me, especially when you just don't respond to me and keep pushing for thread resolutions.
 
The_Impress said:
I'm not compromising here, "others" in this scenario are people who are just going against basic wiki standards. I already addressed the core point presented that leads to this proposal, and you had NOTHING to refute it, except bringing up a new point altogether.

Also Apex, Agnaa doesn't represent my views so I would rather you quit extending your rsolutions with him towards me, especially when you just don't respond to me and keep pushing for thread resolutions.
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I'm just waiting more imput since I don't understand your proposal...

Energy beams are always LS instead of AP?

Doesn't the beam have to be able to hurt someone in order to throw him away?

Weaker characters most of the time can't do nothing with their beams to stronger characters even less throw them away with them...

Also some examples would help here a lot!
 
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Apex_PredatorX said:
I'm just waiting more imput since I don't understand your proposal...
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Apex_PredatorX said:
Soo can the updates be made?
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I can read, this is n't "waiting for input" this is "i want to apply the thread"
Apex_PredatorX said:
Like energy beams are not AP but actual LS?
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Where does it say it was an energy beam, and in most fiction Energy Beams can have mass.
Apex_PredatorX said:
Doesn't the beam have to be able to hurt someone in order to throw him away?
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Why? Also there are verses where that isn't the case, most notably Marvel and DC can have characters like this.
Apex_PredatorX said:
Like weaker characters can't do nothing with their beams to stronger characters even less throw them away with them...
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Where is this the standard written?
Apex_PredatorX said:
Also some examples would help here a lot!
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Firstly I just want you to prove that God-Mountain is, explicitly, energy beams, and nothing that just "looks like an energy beam", because your current argument is just... assuming it is 1-to-1 Energy Projection and thus all mechanics translate.

...like, there isn't even an opportunity to GIVE an example, all of this is very basic stuff
 
The_Impress said:
I can read, this is n't "waiting for input" this is "i want to apply the thread"

Where does it say it was an energy beam, and in most fiction Energy Beams can have mass.

Why? Also there are verses where that isn't the case, most notably Marvel and DC can have characters like this.

Where is this the standard written?

Firstly I just want you to prove that God-Mountain is, explicitly, energy beams, and nothing that just "looks like an energy beam", because your current argument is just... assuming it is 1-to-1 Energy Projection and thus all mechanics translate.

...like, there isn't even an opportunity to GIVE an example, all of this is very basic stuff
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Well, as you noticed , hours ago I asked if it can be applied, to what Agnaa say it was a better idea to wait one more day for input and I left it that way.

An Energy beam seems to be the a reasonable option...
and one of the last proposals was to use "Possibly" in the justification of GM's profile, because it can BE or NOT an energy beam. Also one point against it to be LS is that God-M coulld have simply used his Telekinesis to throw away Godzilla through the portal. And as we saw in the comic his Telekinesis doesn't needs rainbow beams to be used.

I was talking more about Godzillaverse, where there are some examples of this kind of stuff.

I mean like I said using "Possibly" in the justification is really the more fifting way to solve this. The rainbow thing CAN or NOT be an energy beam.
 
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Apex_PredatorX said:
Well, as you noticed , hours ago I asked if it can be applied, to what Agnaa say it was a better idea to wait one more day for input and I left it that way.
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And I said it in respect to your attempt prior Agnaa's post. Don't do that again.
Apex_PredatorX said:
An Energy beam seems to be the a reasonable option...
and one of the last proposals was to use "Possibly" in the justification of GM's profile, because it can BE or NOT an energy beam.
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Not exactly reasonable, and Possibly is poor logic
Apex_PredatorX said:
Also one point against it to be LS is that God-M coulld have simply used his Telekinesis to throw away Godzilla through the portal. And as we saw in the comic his Telekinesis doesn't needs rainbow beams to be used.
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...mate are you deadass gonna say PIS/CIS is a valid point here? "Characters didn't use this" is as valid an argument as "Fall damage is an antifeat" or "Science doesn't check out exact", this is just an extremely common theme across fiction for characters.
Apex_PredatorX said:
I was talking more about Godzillaverse, where there are some examples of this kind of stuff.
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I am talking comics, this is a comic, which is written by a comic writer. In general this is framed like a gatekeeping attempt.
Apex_PredatorX said:
I mean like I said using "Possibly" in the justification is really the more fifting way to solve this. The rainbow thing CAN or NOT be an energy beam.
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We don't list CAN or CANNOT, there has to be SOME likelihood that it is an energy beam by info given. It can also be a plasma blast, a shockwave, a magic blast, a force blast or God knows what else, all of those possibilities greatly overpower it being an energy blast alone.

We list "Possibly", this is on the AP page btw, for "The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be notable, but mild.", the probability of it being an energy blast, when there is NOTHING TO IMPLY IT REMOTELY, isn't notable, it's trivial. We don't list Trivial altogether.
 
The_Impress said:
And I said it in respect to your attempt prior Agnaa's post. Don't do that again.

Not exactly reasonable, and Possibly is poor logic

...mate are you deadass gonna say PIS/CIS is a valid point here? "Characters didn't use this" is as valid an argument as "Fall damage is an antifeat" or "Science doesn't check out exact", this is just an extremely common theme across fiction for characters.

I am talking comics, this is a comic, which is written by a comic writer. In general this is framed like a gatekeeping attempt.

We don't list CAN or CANNOT, there has to be SOME likelihood that it is an energy beam by info given. It can also be a plasma blast, a shockwave, a magic blast, a force blast or God knows what else, all of those possibilities greatly overpower it being an energy blast alone.

We list "Possibly", this is on the AP page btw, for "The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be notable, but mild.", the probability of it being an energy blast, when there is NOTHING TO IMPLY IT REMOTELY, isn't notable, it's trivial. We don't list Trivial altogether.
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I think there is a clear difference between asking permission to do something, get a no for answer and doing it anyway.

Than asking permission to do something, get a no for answer and not doing it.

In this case there is a notably difference between what GM did in both cases in the comic..

I know that is a comic. However even in the same comic there is the SpaceGodzilla's example where his Corona beam couldn't stop Godzilla from moving ahead while crossing it and fianlly reached him.

I see you have a really good point here. I didn't think on those other possibilities.

So what do you propose in that case?

Just rating him as Unknown Tier?
 
We'd probably wanna wait for/ask some of the people who FRA'd known statistics earlier to reply again.
 
Agnaa said:
We'd probably wanna wait for/ask some of the people who FRA'd known statistics earlier to reply again.
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Okay. What do the rest of you think about unknown statistics?
 
Okay. I think that unknown statistics can probably be applied now then.
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. I think that unknown statistics can probably be applied now then.
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Ok what about Aura/Forcefield, Holy manipulation for Godzilla after being empowered by hundreds of angels?

And also weather manipulation for God-Mountain who can generate clouds that can also produce lightning bolts?
 
Weather manipulation and aura seem fine, but not holy manipulation, and force field also seems uncertain.
 
Okay. Are you willing to apply the accepted revisions then?
 
Okay. No problem, and thank you for helping out.

I hope that your dog will get well soon. I love animals.
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. No problem, and thank you for helping out.

I hope that your dog will get well soon. I love animals.
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Aww thank you Ant! I really appreciate your good wishes.

I've finished to give him the medicine and I'll need these God-mountain profile opened to edits please:


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God-mountain

God-mountain is a multi-eyed divine mountain that appears in issue #3 of the comic book miniseries Godzilla in Hell. In Issue #3 Godzilla was send to Purgatory, a sacred place where he sees angels with Mothra's wings, along with God-mountain, who takes the form of a multi-eyed mountain with the...
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