I don't need to do a CRT because unless you have a feat where you can feel, see or influence any conceptual entity. By default you cannot feel, see or influence someone whose existence is already surrounded by the concept.
Kratos is not AE 1, only AE 2. Anyone can interact with Kratos, only they can't deal damage due to Conceptual Invulnerability.
Large size doesn't work like that. The presence of the character with Large Size Type 10 suppresses the battlefield. Even if you destroy a small part of it, its body continues to enter the battlefield.
It cannot do anything outside of any hax range, including Plot Manipulation.
Actually this is NLF. As I said, Kratos isn't non-interactive. Kratos only invulnerable.
That would be a standard for an abstract being who has no physical form such as the Primordials but that's explicitly not the case for Kratos. The power you are suggesting is not something on his profile or has been accepted.
I'm familiar with abstract concepts in fact the one here, (type 2) directly mentions they can be affected without needing to touch the concept they embody. Hell, one of the abilities Yan Sen will be getting is the ability to interact with Type 1 AE thanks to him and his disciples are able to interact with beings who have no physical body and are just made up of consciousness.
Kratos is a completely conceptual non-interactive character. So the point of the revisions was to "good luck being able to interact, touch and effect to Kratos an any way."
That doesn't mean you can't win through incap or that you can't influence their soul.
Kratos has a purely conceptual immunity and Invulnerability, and this Invulnerability and non-interaction applies to Kratos' soul, body, and mind, in short, to his entire existence, through the concept of hope. Just read profile and revisions
What sets Kratos apart here is that the concept of hope encompasses the whole body, soul and mind like a shield. In this way, along with the concept of hope, Kratos' body, soul or mind cannot be felt, interacted with or seen.
But these abstract beings are not conceptual. That's a big problem
Except for when Zeus and Athena saw Kratos
Not exactly the point. The point is Kratos is not the AE that you think he is and that Conceptual Invulnerability doesn't work the way you think it does. If it did it would be on the profile and trust me I know KLOL would love to have that on there.
But these two characters have feats to interact with concepts and conceptual beings. Even in base forms.
Man you can sure about that how many times have I talked to KLOL about this and what he said to me is, "Good luck with being able to interact with, touch and effect and feel with Kratos in any way."
I'm saying it for the last time. Kratos is never uninteraction. Kratos embodies abstraction, the concept of hope, and is protected by the concept of hope.It has never been the abstraction itself. He is simply invulnerable . His profile says so too. Otherwise it would have already been AE Type 1. If you are persistent. Since it was Planck who made the Crts , I might ask him.
Shouldn't matter to a concept that is above even Athena according to the profiles.
I've talked with them an abundance of times, I don't think I've ever heard them claim Kratos can't be seen at all.
Quoting KLOL's comment
In short, what I said about Kratos is all valid. Also the same things were mentioned in the Dante revision and at the end of the day Dante didn't have any wincon
It doesn't matter. This is because Kratos did have them.
Characters who can influence concepts can of course see Kratos but still cannot interact with, influence, touch or harm him in any way, and this applies to all aspects of existence. This type applies to type 1 CM, soul manip, mind hax, and any physical attack. Of course, if this character can influence concepts, they are valid. If he can't effect concepts, he doesn't stand a chance against him anyway.
It should matter. If a 4-D being like Zeus and a 5-D being like Athena can interact with and see Hope Kratos that disproves what you are asserting
cannot interact with, influence, touch or harm him in any way =/= cannot see him and I've have yet to see KLOL or Planck say that he can't be seen.
But Athena had been able to manipulate and seal the concept of hope before. The concept of hope managed to rise to such higher levels with Kratos. This power has risen to this level with Kratos.
I mean it applies to characters who can't influence these concepts. Just as characters who cannot effect souls cannot see or feel souls. That is, one who does not affect souls is not supposed to be able to see and feel souls unless they do some feat.
Btw when I spoke to Planck(or KLOR) this is what they said and the thread was closed directly. If you have problems, talk to them. I won't write more in this thread because I think I put everything out with revisions and direct references.
Sure but that still leaves Zooos
In your example that person would still be visible, just not the soul.
Man Athena still had the power to interact but she couldn't.
In this case, the soul becomes invisible, but since the soul encompasses the entire existence of that character he becomes invisible like soul and imperceptible to that character in the same way. To perceive and see this, you need to influence soul.
there is no convincing you. let's say even if you are right. that isn't on kratos profile and thus still not applicable here.
Doesn't need to be on Kratos' profile. You are a spiritual being and have no spiritual immunity. I, on the other hand, can't touch you, feel you or see you by default if I don't have any soul haxs. Because I don't already have this hax.
"Meaningful," he says. He's openly talking about invulnerability here. Whatever...
That's not really what he means here. And Planck also referred to what I said above in the revision . I mean... It's valid what i said.
exactly this
lmfao the thread was literally closed because dante stomped
coz he lacked the range to touch dante
I'm pretty sure Dante didn't do a stomp. After the revision, Planck (or KLOL) said that thread was shut down because Dante had no way of earning. Also, the discussion between them wasn't about range, Lmao. Can Kratos touch Dante or not because of dante's speed?lmfao the thread was literally closed because dante stomped
Kratos can't touch dante in the first place because of hell which is Low 1-C
Lmao... Nobody talked about range, man. I think you're a different mind lol.
4-5Lmao... Nobody talked about range, man. I think you're a different mind lol.
Lol, nobody mentioned range.
bro did not read the thread
yh even plank admitted kratos would have issues with BFR (AOE only)
Yeah, that's right. AOE BFR is a bit of a problem for us.
