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That just mean they're not immune.
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Glass Cannon Showdown: Oracle vs Heaven Ascension DIO
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so they're immune to to thing but not to the thing that removes them being immune to the thing
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That is how Resistance Negation works yes
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If you can effect someone with an ability who is immune (resistent) to it just means yours is more potent.
Unless it's stated to be resistance negation. Like if someone said "My powers break past or ignore your resistences".
Unless it's stated to be resistance negation. Like if someone said "My powers break past or ignore your resistences".
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@Lord Yes, that is exactly what it is
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100% magic resist grants you spell immunity. Spells won't have an effect on you and only a few spells that can go through spell immunity can affect you.Kaltias said:
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@Kalt Actually no, the spells that ignore spell immunity are flat out stated to bypass said immunity
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Regardless Dio can still be paradoxed
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Even against DIO we can say that Nerif can see the moments of his defeats and win. If Nerif uses 'Fate's Edict then DIO would not be able to attack him, losing his chance of making contact with him.
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@Axl No actually D4C and Oracle's paradoxes are actually very similar
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Dio has Acausality no? So why will Precog and Fate Manip affect him??
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Because precog isnt affected by acausality, Dio can still be paradoxed, and Oracle is entirely capable of fate maniping himself instead of his opponent
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Oracle can also make Dio simultaneously exist and not exist which would destroy his mind
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But from what I know Acausality protects you from Precog, Fate Manip, Causality Manip,etc because Acausal characters don't have a future or a past and exist only in the present. So how can Precog, an ability to see the future, help in viewing something whose future doesn't exists???
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Acausality doesnt protect you from precog, fate manip and causality yes but not precog. Being acausal doesnt mean you only exist in the present it just means you cant attacks someone in the past and have it damage or kill them in the present, acausal characters are unaffected by attacks reliant on cause and effect and changes to the past.
Oracle is able to use fate manip on himself in order to bypass this as well as having causality manipulating abilities that are able to affect people with a resistance to causality manipulating and the ability to destroy Dio's mind by making him experience being simultaneously existent and nonexistent an infinite number of times over
Oracle is able to use fate manip on himself in order to bypass this as well as having causality manipulating abilities that are able to affect people with a resistance to causality manipulating and the ability to destroy Dio's mind by making him experience being simultaneously existent and nonexistent an infinite number of times over
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Infinite time stop
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Oracle would instantly know Dio can do that and break his mind before he gets the chance
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Doesnt help that HA Dio is even cockier than normal Dio either
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Nope. You can't predict something in stopped time. Also, speed is equalized so they'd probably do it at the same time.
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Sorry my dude but HA Dio is cocky to the point that he wouldnt instantly lead with timestop, he's in character here so he would lead with scoffing at Oracle for even thinking of challenging him and his godly power
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Causality Manipulation Working on Beings resistant to Causality Manipulation doesn't mean it'll work on beings unbound by Cause and Effect. It just means that it's just powerful enough to bypass that resistance.
Though the mind manip will work so I'll vote for Oracle.
Though the mind manip will work so I'll vote for Oracle.
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That depends entirely from the level of acausality.Lancer45Man said:
Someone like, idk, Ultimate Kriemhild Gretche would nope Oracle's precog because her acausality literally includes not existing on a scale of infinite timelines, which is Oracle's level of precog.
Pretty sure that DIO doesn't have anything like that tho
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Um, DIO's acausality scales to him resisting GER's abilities.
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GER's abilities are High 3-A in scope vs Oracle's 2-A. GER also doesnt have anything future related.
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Resisting GER doesnt mean youre acausal btw, Jorge Joestar Dio had the same thing and it was removed for the same reason
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Wait.... If he resists GER, then why it isn't Resistance to Causality Manipulation rather than Acausality?? I mean for Acausality you'd need statements or feats of being Above or Transcending Cause and Effect. Simply resisting Causality Manipulation imo doesn't get you Acausality.
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He shouldnt have acausality, resisting GER doesnt mean you have acausality. Plus the fact that he has a blatant weakness to being paradoxed means he's not acausal.
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Jorge Joestar Dio didn't even fight Giorno. Lephyr debunked that wank. Even then it still wouldn't be Acausality.WeeklyBattles said:
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Well IIRC, when Diavolo used Epitaph to see into the future, he saw King Crimson punching Giorno through the chest, but GER negated that.
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@Kalt Do you wanna make the CRT or should I? Or do we even need a CRT if this has been discussed before?
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GER negated the actions that Diavolo was gonna take and reversed everything. Giorno or GER aren't even Acausal to begin with so dunno why you brought that Epitaph stuff
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