Giratina/Palkia: Immunity to Precognition?

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I know this is somewhat strange but it is something i've recently come across for the Creation Trio that seems to be plausible somehow. I'll explain.

Now i've taken a look at Yhwach's profile for example and on his page it says this:

"After absorbing Mimihagi, he should be given immunity to precognition, which Yhwach notes that Mimihagi is able to escape his eyes

And we all know that Yhwach's precog comes from the fact that he can view "every possible future at once" clearly. Basically its temporal precognition by seeing multiple/all parts of the future (parts that are "possible" anyway).

So then it hit me. If Yhwach is able to gain this kind of treatment, why not the Creation Trio?

Because unlike the Almighty, Dialga is literally the concept of time itself in the pokeverse. He is the time that makes up the world as a whole, perfectly being capable of witnessing events in the past, present and future all at the same time for...well....being the past, present and future all at the same time. And we know Dialga can witness events in time for he has shown this before in the anime.

• Dialga saw the Jewel of Life being given back to Arceus and the instant Arceus left he called Ash and co.. back to the future

• Dialga sent them foward into the past when they were about to be killed in the Shrine

• Dialga knew when Sheena called him to save Pikachu and Piplup

• Dialga knew when Arceus started attacking Michina Town and came their on his own with Palkia
• Dialga even knew what exact time period Damos stole the Jewel of Life and the exact place in time to send Ash and co. to in order to change history.

To make the story short, Dialga has definitely witnessed events taking place in time, so we know this isnt speculation. Dialga is, quite frankly, Yhwach in this scenerio only instead of the Almighty seeing only "possible" futures, Dialga sees all futures from all points in time. And the fact that pokemon like Giratina and Palkia are able to contend with Dialga in battles on a daily basis without Dialga being able to see what they are going to pull out next should imply those 2 are able to escape his view of time (especially Giratina who can already ignore shields and precognition with just his move Shadow Force) just like Mimihagi cannot be seen in the future by the Almighty.

Does anyone think this is logical?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

bump

 

[PaChi2]

You know, Dialga technically doesnt have "precog" since he already is almost omniscient.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Well, actually Giratina can ignore precognition via Shadow Force ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shadow_Force_(move)

 

[AppleLord]

Yhwach's immunity comes from him literately saying that he will take Mimihagi's powers as his own, when he absorbed him. Mimihagi's immunity to precog comes from been the God that governs Stagnation.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yhwach's immunity comes from him literately saying that he will take Mimihagi's powers as his own, when he absorbed him. Mimihagi's immunity to precog comes from been the God that governs Stagnation.

Yes I am aware of this. How does this make Mimihagi any different from Giratina and Palkia being able to consistently pull a fast one on someone who can view all points in Time at once for being all points in time at once everytime they fight?

 

[NeoZex6399]

Most likely, Giratina exists outside the flow of time and its influence, and a test may be the fact that it has repeatedly been said that in the Distortion World the time does not flow and as we all know the Distortion World is the same Giratina.

 

[AppleLord]

Well, there's also the meteor he didn't see coming. PIS?

 

[NeoZex6399]

I think you're confused, we're talking Giratina, not Arceus.

And yes, clearly the meteor is PIS.


This guy

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yeah the meteor thing is not only PIS, it has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. As already said, the metoer thing has to do with Arceus, not the creation trio. They have nothing to do with the meteor. This topic is dealing with Dialga having temporal precog and not being able to see the incoming attacks from pokemon who consistently fight it on a daily basis like Palkia and Giratina.

 

[Reppuzan]

Do you have any proof that Dialga sees through all of time simultaneously?

It's entirely possible that Dialga was simply aware of events involving Arceus and moved to placate Arceus's wrath.

Right now, all I'm seeing is a non-sequitur - "Mimihagi was immune to Yhwach's precognition due to its status as the aspect representing Stagnation, so Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina must also be immune because they exist outside of space and time!"

 

[LordAizenSama]

What Reppuzan said.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I half to admit it is strange that if Dialga could see through all time and at any point he should always be one step ahead but he's not. This would lead me to believe that they must be immune to his sight but this could also mean he just doesn't look or the writers don't care if he can see in any point in time and just wanted them to fight.

I'm not to sure on the matter.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I gave examples in the thread. Dialga was perfectly capable of seeing what Ash and co, were doing in the past and brought them back from the past while still contending with and even getting stomped by Arceus in the present simultaneously. It even knew what exact time period Arceus got betrayed in and the exact place in time for Ash to change history without ever being told one clue about it. Plus iirc didnt Dialga in the MD games see stuff throughout time too?

Yes, thats what I mean. Arceus in the present was attacking the town and Dialga popped right in at the right moment to defend it.

Well not exactly being outside space-time, just outside Dialga's view of time when fighting him. Otherwise everyone who exists outside space-time would get immunity.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Kukui

That doesn't mean anything. Arceus was in the middle of blind rage and couldn't focus on anything but destroying everything around him. It's exceedingly likely that Arceus just didn't care. You're going to use the one movie whose entire premise you've continually dismissed as PIS to justify speculation?

 

[NeoZex6399]

When Grovyle began to travel by the time, Primal Dialga realized instantly and sent to Dusknoir to stop it.

In addition, Palkia is aware of everything that happens in space and maybe also by time, since he knows exactly what had happened to Darkrai after destroying the temporary portal than Darkrai himself created to escape.

(Darkrai was traveling through the portal)

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'd like to say something:

Plz don't call me for this. Just doing this as a precaution

ovo

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

@Kukui
That doesn't mean anything. Arceus was in the middle of blind rage and couldn't focus on anything but destroying everything around him. It's exceedingly likely that Arceus just didn't care. You're going to use the one movie whose entire premise you've continually dismissed as PIS to justify speculation?

Wait, im sorry? I dont see what Arceus or PIS has anything to do with this.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Neo

That's just cosmic awareness. Not precog. Precog would be knowing exactly what he's going to do next rather than where he is.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

bump

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Bumping this

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Why bump this? They aren't immune to precog.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Well we don't know that. This never got resolved and I just saw this in one of the topics.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Actually, I found something that proves Dialga is. But only Dialga.

Mystery Dungeon. In the bad future, where time is stopped and Primal Dialga reigns supreme, the Dimensional Scream, a pre and postcognition ability, can't work.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Correction: It actually works in the future. That's how Grovyle and his partner (the player) found the locations of the lakes and the other time gears.

Edit: The moment where it didn't worked for the player and partner was because he wasn't in close proximity to a Time Gear. Grovyle explained that, in the future, the Dimensional Scream is heavily tied to time gears, while in the past it works differently. My personal theory is that you need to have flowing time for the D.S. to work, and in the future, those places where only the ones with time gears on them.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Hmm. Well there's still my other point that Dialga can see all points in time and we see him do that in Jewel of Life.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Kukui

Physical evidence or no dice. I am not digging through that movie to find the scenes you mentioned.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

@Rep

I'll try and find the time frames but for anyone who's watched the movie (no offense ofc) it should be fairly obvious. We see Sheena contact Dialga from the past, Dialga responds instantly. Arceus gets the jewel back, Dialga immediately returns the group to the future. Arceus attacks the town and both Dialga/Palkia show up to defend it.