Giorno Giovanna Vs Yhwach

[Rez]

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Return to Zero: GER can take the entirety of something and revert it to a previous state. This includes any action the target takes and leaves GER unaffected by it (i.e., Giorno would be affected by time stop, but GER would not). This puts anything it affects in a constant loop of being put back to zero depending on what GER has done to the target. If GER was to kill a target, they would be constantly put in an infinite loop of deaths, each one varying from the next. The ability can be described as taking the "effect" out of "cause and effect".

That's not how it works you are saying if Gierno dies because of natural cause and effect it would revert it back even though there is no feat.

Ger protects itself and it's user any action taken against it is reverted and since it's a passive hax it's automatically assumed to work on passives if you have a problem make a crt to change the standards regarding passive hax

 

[StekFence]

Soul crush can affect him which erases the Target t

Not exactly harmless

 

[Rez]

Btw if Gierno can be affected by time-stop which is harmless then Soul crush can affect him which erases the Target then how could Ger brings back Gierno.

If Gierno dies then Ger dies.

Ger only activates if an action can harm itself or Giorno time erasure doesn't harm Giorno

 

[StekFence]

The reason he could be time stopped by say, Dio is becuase time stop doesnt do damage. But anything that did, like dio trying to punch him, would be rtzed

 

[Yomi_Schwarz]

Ger only activates if an action can harm itself or Giorno time erasure doesn't harm Giorno

Dio is becuase time stop doesnt do damage.

Power null doesn't do damage...........................................................................................................

 

[StekFence]

Power null doesn't do damage...........................................................................................................

I didn’t bring power null up

 

[Yomi_Schwarz]

Also, no. GER lost to touma because GER wouldn't affect his Right Hand and would be negated.

here's nothing to 'return to zero'/manipulate causality for. If Touma punches GER with IB, it's just over. GER can't reverse the effect because GER = automatically nulled the moment his right hand touches it Even if it were a passive the right hand would work in priority because it's inherently a power null

Nothing at all related to tier 1 hax.

 

[Rez]

Power null doesn't do damage...........................................................................................................

Anything that harms or can harm

 

[Yomi_Schwarz]

Nah i'm saying. If time stop affected giorno because time stop didn't harm giorno....Power null doesn't harm giorno..........soooo.........

Feats of GER negating power null ON GIORNO pls.

 

[Rez]

Also, no. GER lost to touma because GER wouldn't affect his Right Hand and would be negated.

Yes because it's an 11d hax if it was 3d ger would have won

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Ger only activates if an action can harm itself or Giorno time erasure doesn't harm Giorno

Can you prove that time eraser was passive

 

[StekFence]

The reason giorno lost, is becuase his first move is punching. Touma in that thread can see ger, so he blocked it. Blocking a 3D fist with your 11D power nulling hand is obviously gonna power null the fist.

 

[Rez]

Nah i'm saying. If time stop affected giorno because time stop didn't harm giorno....Power null doesn't harm giorno..........soooo.........

Feats of GER negating power null pls.

Yhwach power null is 3d. Ger's ability is 4d. Feats of yhwach powernulling an 4d ability please.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The reason he could be time stopped by say, Dio is becuase time stop doesnt do damage. But anything that did, like dio trying to punch him, would be rtzed

I am referring to passive soul crush. I know ger revert anything if opponent try to do.

 

[StekFence]

I’d also like to note that Ger blitzes in that fight, and so touma blocking isn’t a thing

 

[Rez]

Can you prove that time eraser was passive

I don't need get's ability is passive and passives are treated to be able to interact with each if you have a problem with this make a crt

 

[Yomi_Schwarz]

Yeah but im saying if Yhwach nulls Giorno and doesn't kill Giorno..that's incap......not death or anything that harms him......

runs

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Nah i'm saying. If time stop affected giorno because time stop didn't harm giorno....Power null doesn't harm giorno..........soooo.........

Feats of GER negating power null ON GIORNO pls.

SOUL CRUSH erases Gierno and Ger dies

 

[Rez]

I’d also like to note that Ger blitzes in that fight, and so touma blocking isn’t a thing

Not with speed equal

 

[StekFence]

Nah i'm saying. If time stop affected giorno because time stop didn't harm giorno....Power null doesn't harm giorno..........soooo.........

Feats of GER negating power null ON GIORNO pls.

Who’s power nulling here? Yhwach?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I don't need get's ability is passive and passives are treated to be able to interact with each if you have a problem with this make a crt

What ? Even in Ger profile it's not listed to revert passive ability. I am going by his profile only

 

[StekFence]

Ger is gonna rtz the whole soul crush, so any effect it has, is gone.

 

[Rez]

Yeah but im saying if Yhwach nulls Giorno and doesn't kill Giorno..that's incap......not death or anything that harms him......

Again he will first have to deal with 4d hax

 

[StekFence]

What ? Even in Ger profile it's not listed to revert passive ability. I am going by his profile only

That’s because passives interacting with passives is a site wide thing, not just his profile

 

[Rez]

What ? Even in Ger profile it's not listed to revert passive ability. I am going by his profile only

It's a passive so it can interact with passives if you have problem with wiki's current standards make a crt and don't bring this pointless argument

 

[StekFence]

Not with speed equal

Actually, yes with speed equal. Touma can only be equalized to giorno, and ger blitzes giorno In everything but reactions that touma doesn’t have

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Ger is gonna rtz the whole soul crush, so any effect it has, is gone.

Scan for Ger reverting Gierno passive death. Like if Gierno dies by old age which occurs passively are you saying Ger can revert that?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It's a passive so it can interact with passives if you have problem with wiki's current standards make a crt and don't bring this pointless argument

Can you copy past the sentence where it's stated Ger can revert passives in his profile.

 

[StekFence]

Yeah but im saying if Yhwach nulls Giorno and doesn't kill Giorno..that's incap......not death or anything that harms him......

runs

Is the null a part of soul crush? Or a active?

 

[Yomi_Schwarz]

Again he will first have to deal with 4d hax

Yeah but he's not affecting GER and time stop affected Giorno just fine by your own words because "it didn't harm him".

Power Nulling Giorno's soul also won't harm him. So Yhwach just power nulls giorno because giorno is not higher dimensional.

 

[Yomi_Schwarz]

Is the null a part of soul crush? Or a active?

No it's a part of the almighty which is passive in this key.

 

[StekFence]

Can you copy past the sentence where it's stated Ger can revert passives in his profile.

Why would he need to. It’s SITEWIDE

 

[Rez]

Yeah but he's not affecting GER and time stop affected Giorno just fine by your own words because "it didn't harm him".

Power Nulling Giorno's soul also won't harm him. So Yhwach just power nulls giorno because giorno is not higher dimensional.

If that will harm ger that still counts

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Why would he need to. It’s SITEWIDE

Scan for Ger reverting Gierno passive death. Like if Gierno dies by old age which occurs passively are you saying Ger can revert that?

 

[StekFence]

Power Nulling Giorno's soul

What does this mean. Like, what effect does it have

 

[StekFence]

Scan for Ger reverting Gierno passive death. Like if Gierno dies by old age which occurs passively are you saying Ger can revert that?

Aging is passive, dying of age isn’t a passive. The only reason you die of old age is your body is failing. And giorno body doesn’t resist rtz. And for the record, yeah Ger counters organ failure of old age quite easily. Since organs don’t resist rtz, and ger can inject life energy into giorno anyway.