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Help a 10-C Garden Snail become the Immortal Snail

Also, how about a rule where God Gary can give 5 abilites separate from what Gary would inherit from previous tier? And from tier 9 onward, every Gary have immortality type 8 reliance on God Gary that is their true form but is only applicaple 3 times per match so if we can't see Gary win even after 3 chance, it's a lost.

Like it sound pretty pointless having a God key if all it does is be a block of P&A, might as well use it for something helpful.
 
Midirum said:
isn't the next stage tier 9?
10-B can only be used while we are still in tier 10 (I also found several interesting 10-Bs)
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Is it? I figured we go 10-C -> 10-B -> 10-A like usual and only then switch to Tier 9.
'cause otherwise 10-A characters would never be viable.

Jackpact said:
No, we are not beating that Invuln.
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Idk, with Gary's speed and range that guy can't kill him. That gives us enough time to social influence him into submission. (or maybe defeat him by some other means)

Jackpact said:
Like it sound pretty pointless having a God key if all it does is be a block of P&A, might as well use it for something helpful.
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I figured the God Gary key could get abilities for a tier the main version can't. Like, if Tier 9 version of Gary can't beat the Top 15 strongest list, but God Gary at the time can due to more broken social influencing, then God Gary can get abilities from them, but Tier 9 Gary can't.
 
DontTalkDT said:
Is it? I figured we go 10-C -> 10-B -> 10-A like usual and only then switch to Tier 9.
'cause otherwise 10-A characters would never be viable.
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Oh, the thing is that Gary can fight against characters of his tier and one tier above, meaning that we can fight against 10-B right now, but only when we go up to 10-B will we be able to fight against 10-A.
Naito-desu said:
The snail is not allowed to jump more than a single tier in durability or attack potency with any of its wins. Gary can challenge anyone from its tier or the next tier, but if he progresses to an above tier, he can no longer fight those who are below him in tier. To incentivize that Gary keep fighting and accumulating abilities from his present tier, he cannot fight characters more than one tier above him to skip, and if he gains a full tier upgrade (in AP and Dura specifically), then he is moved to that tier.
  • For example, Gary is 10-C right now so can only challenge those from 10-C and 10-B, if he gains a 10-B rating in both AP and Durability, he moves on to challenging 10-B and 10-A with 10-C now being closed off to him
  • Likewise, if Gary fights a character with a key higher than his AP and Dura, he can only inherit it if it's within the allowed tiers.
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DontTalkDT said:
Idk, with Gary's speed and range that guy can't kill him. That gives us enough time to social influence him into submission. (or maybe defeat him by some other means)


I figured the God Gary key could get abilities for a tier the main version can't. Like, if Tier 9 version of Gary can't beat the Top 15 strongest list, but God Gary at the time can due to more broken social influencing, then God Gary can get abilities from them, but Tier 9 Gary can't.
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Guess we have to call Pegasus then to see if we can beat the guy first key.

So basically once the tiered one get hit with a road block, the God one can chime in to fight instead?
 
Midirum said:
I just found gold 🙏

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Aiko_Noro: Law Manipulation
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Monika_Sakurazaki: Probability Manipulation
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Makina_Shikitani: Acausality (Type 4)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ende: Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Andrew_Smith: Fate Manipulation
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Asahi_Kuga: Causality Manipulation
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  • Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) and Law Manipulation, Subjective Reality are all abilites for being a worldview Holder so we can get all of it. (also with this we have a way to hit upto 5D lol).
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  • Don't know how we are supposed to kill someone we can't even perceive. If we do, i'll take perception manip or pocket reality since concept type 1 is already covered by the first character.
  • In-verse plot armor lmao.
  • I would take Prophet Sense in the notable technique section instead as it would bunch in precog, causality and plot manip.
 
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kagura_(Senran_Kagura)#Child_Kagura, she's a kid, get immortality which include ressurection, in case we die, we can outlive anyone that can't live long.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kharaa_Bacterium, absorbed or haxed to death, get disease, duplication and bio manip since they are all the same thing.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gomoviroa_Zoarks_Gaor_Gelfaval_Gerun, speed diff and is also the size of a kid, get immortality.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Thing_(John_Carpenter)#Individual_Cells, same thing as Kharaa, get possession, absorbtion, duplication and bio manip,
I can't, can't believe no one has done this yet, https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/JUDY get BDE on Clear Light level.
 
Now we only need to get to Jigoraku to get Tao, then God Gary will finally be looking like a god (even if his tier is questionable).
 
Jackpact said:
Also, how about a rule where God Gary can give 5 abilites separate from what Gary would inherit from previous tier? And from tier 9 onward, every Gary have immortality type 8 reliance on God Gary that is their true form but is only applicaple 3 times per match so if we can't see Gary win even after 3 chance, it's a lost.

Like it sound pretty pointless having a God key if all it does is be a block of P&A, might as well use it for something helpful.
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What do you think about this?
Naito-desu said:
This is basically the 10-B Human thread, but I've upped the difficulty.

Some rules below:
  • The snail's name is Gary
  • Users must submit a character that the snail must fight and win against (at least high-diff, no incon allowed)
  • If Gary wins, the user must choose one ability to inherit, so it can only be one out of AP, Equipment, Durability, Speed, Resistance, and Ability, meaning the user only gets the benefit of choosing one from the defeated character, making the process much slower than before.
    • The same rule applies from the previous thread once we reach more complex abilities, the ability need not be a single ability as defined by VsBattles but can simply be a group of abilities bunched together for a specific purpose. This does mean that Gary cannot inherit physiologies or X Manipulation from a verse, but he can inherit a specific aspect of these that serves a specific function. However, the above rules still applies and these must be chosen at the expense of other potential abilities obviously.
    • Gary must have a reasonable way of using equipment, otherwise they cannot be added , given his obvious limitations of being a snail. This can include telekinesis or some sort of adaptation that gives him arms (as well as the appropriate lifting strength to hold them)
  • The snail is not allowed to jump more than a single tier in durability or attack potency with any of its wins. Gary can challenge anyone from its tier or the next tier, but if he progresses to an above tier, he can no longer fight those who are below him in tier. To incentivize that Gary keep fighting and accumulating abilities from his present tier, he cannot fight characters more than one tier above him to skip, and if he gains a full tier upgrade (in AP and Dura specifically), then he is moved to that tier.
    • For example, Gary is 10-C right now so can only challenge those from 10-C and 10-B, if he gains a 10-B rating in both AP and Durability, he moves on to challenging 10-B and 10-A with 10-C now being closed off to him
    • Likewise, if Gary fights a character with a key higher than his AP and Dura, he can only inherit it if it's within the allowed tiers.
  • Standard SBA applies, speed is unequalized
  • No time limit for the battles, if the snail wins through a war of attrition then I would say it counts.
Let's see how far we go now with the revised rules.

The snail in question

Gary's Profile

I will give a grace period of a few days to a week for people to review the rules and give me suggestions before moving on, so we can make this more interesting and longer lasting than the previous thread. I will also consider other suggestions as to make sure we're not caught in a stagnation of trying to find characters to make us stronger.
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I disagree with the Idea of us getting 5 more abilities from God Gary, as that means that we could get 10 abilities in total and five of those could be Immeasurable speed and AE1, which would make this way too easy.
 
Pepsimanslover_69 said:
I disagree with the Idea of us getting 5 more abilities from God Gary, as that means that we could get 10 abilities in total and five of those could be Immeasurable speed and AE1, which would make this way too easy.
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Yeah i agree, just scrap that, still want opinion on the immortality type 8 tho.
 
This is cool. I’m doing the same thing with a Sea Otter.
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Create the ultimate Lifeform from a Sea Otter

This was based off an old thread that’s the same thing but a human. THE IDEA: Make a matchup for a Sea Otter it can win. Every time it wins, it gets one power or stat of the enemy it just beat. This keeps going until we decide our Otter has become a Lifeform worthy of being called “The Ultimate...
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Btw for moving a tier above and choosing abilities, let's nominate abilities to bring with us and then vote on them
 
How about, instead of taking abilities, why don't we have Gary keep the abilities he had from the start, you know? The abilities a Snail has.

Like, if we let Gary go into a tier but have abilities that will let him win no matter what, then I don't think this will much of a challenge.
 
Pepsimanslover_69 said:
How about, instead of taking abilities, why don't we have Gary keep the abilities he had from the start, you know? The abilities a Snail has.

Like, if we let Gary go into a tier but have abilities that will let him win no matter what, then I don't think this will much of a challenge.
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This is actually a cool idea but I still think Gary has a strong chance of getting gatekept as he goes up further, so how about this:
Gary gets a random pool of three abilities.

We get the number of abilities he currently has now and then we roll the die three times to see what he can bring with him. I'll wait for the rest of the folks to say what they think, and if they're good I'll start counting abilities and then stick around for the dice roll.
 
Naito-desu said:
This is actually a cool idea but I still think Gary has a strong chance of getting gatekept as he goes up further, so how about this:
Gary gets a random pool of three abilities.

We get the number of abilities he currently has now and then we roll the die three times to see what he can bring with him. I'll wait for the rest of the folks to say what they think, and if they're good I'll start counting abilities and then stick around for the dice roll.
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I'm cool with that, my only question is how do we "roll the dice" here.
 
As long as we still are Tier 10:

Information Manipulation of Uiharu:
Information Manipulation (Disconnected Kimi Shundan's energy source from Angel Dragon, viewed reality as computer data and could apparently reprogram it)
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Passive Mind Manipulation of Kiyama Harumi:
Dummy Check (視覚阻害 (ダミーチェック) Shikaku Sogai (Damī Chekku), lit. "Visual Inhibition"): The ability that allows the user to lessen their presence from other people. At higher levels a user can seemingly become invisible to a person even if people are looking straight at them. It doesn't work in secondary sources like mirrors or cameras.
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And in case 10-A character will ever be allowed to be added I would say Sabrina Sepllman's Time Stop:
Time Stop (Manual time stop and time also automaticlly stops if she feels endangered)
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Funny enough the dice method kinda does encourage staying in a tier and accumulating abilities because it improves our chances for the next tier, but also makes sure we're not accumulating trash ones. This is some good learning experience to take away for the next time I do this.
 
Naito-desu said:
This is actually a cool idea but I still think Gary has a strong chance of getting gatekept as he goes up further, so how about this:
Gary gets a random pool of three abilities.

We get the number of abilities he currently has now and then we roll the die three times to see what he can bring with him. I'll wait for the rest of the folks to say what they think, and if they're good I'll start counting abilities and then stick around for the dice roll.
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Three random ones sounds good. Keeping things like the passive madness would have made it way too easy.
 
Jackpact said:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kagura_(Senran_Kagura)#Child_Kagura, she's a kid, get immortality which include ressurection, in case we die, we can outlive anyone that can't live long.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kharaa_Bacterium, absorbed or haxed to death, get disease, duplication and bio manip since they are all the same thing.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gomoviroa_Zoarks_Gaor_Gelfaval_Gerun, speed diff and is also the size of a kid, get immortality.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Thing_(John_Carpenter)#Individual_Cells, same thing as Kharaa, get possession, absorbtion, duplication and bio manip,
I can't, can't believe no one has done this yet, https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/JUDY get BDE on Clear Light level.
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Bump this. Also:
 
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Count_Video, he need to activate his hax, get change magic.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tommy_Oblivion, just like above, get his gift.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Jonah, supernatural luck and passive fate manip completely shut down his power, get probability manip.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Player_(Doki_Doki_Literature_Club!), have a taste of being the snail, get time manip and reality warping.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Six, blitz, get passive life force absorbtion.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Skeleton_Soldier_(SSCPtD), blitz, once Gary figure out that he can ressurect, would just dump him on some other place with BFR, get passive power absorbtion.
 
Well this died quick lol. Anyway if you guys feel like we are just making god gary too powerful, just skip over to tier 9.
 
I've been too busy to keep this alive unfortunately, you can edit this yourself if needed, and even propose the 9-C changes, if no one's around to disagree, then we can start over again and start rolling the random abilities
 
Well i gonna loock over the top strongest list for any other 10B then i'll go over 10A once i'm fnish. Also like i said on John thread, i can't edit.
 
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Metaverse_Enterprise_Solutions, they aren't gonna realized anything happend before we kill all of them, and unlike Monika, they can't res themselve. Since they have some of Monika power, get Reality Warping, Data Manipulation, Existence Erasure, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Information Manipulation (Type 2) and Plot Manipulation, since it most resemble their base power with some added bonus that likely can be added back to themselve.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Player_(Doki_Doki_Literature_Club!), blitz, get time manip and reality warping.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rinka_Shishimai, blitz, get Perception Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Life Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Probability Manipulation & Conceptual Manipulation. Especially useful since as the collective hive mind of all snail, Gary can just stare down someone to death.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Molecule_Man, blitz, high outerversal range, really not feeling like any of it would be good once we get Tao.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Regulus_Corneas, i mean Mamoru is above him, we have his ability and can also blitz on top of it so i guess we win. Get time stop, durability negation and invuln.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zach_Noveda, open a gate to another universe and shove him in, get ressurection without the ap.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Yukio_Hans_Vorarlberna, soul crush isn't doing anything to the hive mind, he just drop a bfr portal to some very far away place beyond the his portal creation range and let fate and luck do it work. Get resistance to soul, fear and paralysis in soul physioligy.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shichinin_Misaki, think and it die, get death manip, in conjunction with fate and luck, it's like 100% gurantee that anyone who kill us would just die for some reason.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shinobu_Oshino, we already have resistance, get mind manip for more passive.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Akane_Kiryu_&_The_Azami_Doll, luck and fate make it so that they the curse on the village is lifted, can't say the same for us tho get "even if exorcised they will reappear after a short time unless the curse on Minakami Village is lifted", luck and fate would make it impossible for this to happens, doubly so if the verse in question doesn't even have the village in existence so we have yet another cross-verse immortality.
 
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