GER - Non-existent interaction and Pseudo NEP (Nature Type 1, Aspect Types 1, 3 and 5) (staff votes pls)

[Chariot190]

my bad, i meant Aspect****

i dont follow the random "type" yap because it changes like once a week, just tell me what that constitutes and ill be able to explain if it actually applies.

 

[noninho]

i dont follow the random "type" yap because it changes like once a week, just tell me what that constitutes and ill be able to explain if it actually applies.

Other: These characters lack some other fundamental aspect that would be necessary for a normal being's existence or have a nonexistent one. Examples would include things like lacking a history. They are hence immune to abilities that target that respective aspect. Which aspect should be mentioned on the profile, together with any detail regarding what it makes them immune to.

1 and 3 are for his spirit and mind
5 is that what i quoted
it's like, the interactions? the usage of his powers?

 

[Chariot190]

1 and 3 are for his spirit and mind
5 is that what i quoted
it's like, the interactions? the usage of his powers?

Time? Iirc we've gave it to dudes for time fuckery.
Not OP but that's what I'd assume. King Crimson obviously deletes space-time, and only Diavolo who retains time can do anything so that's the idea if I had to guess as not having time is an actual "**** you" in context.

 

[noninho]

aight, bet

 

[DRW001]

bump

Agreed
just wanna know what exactly will be listed as a reason for Nature Type 5

Time? Iirc we've gave it to dudes for time fuckery.
Not OP but that's what I'd assume. King Crimson obviously deletes space-time, and only Diavolo who retains time can do anything so that's the idea if I had to guess as not having time is an actual "**** you" in context.

Basically this yh

 

[DRW001]

bumpa

 

[DRW001]

bump

 

[Demifiend]

Someone accept this pls

 

[Chariot190]

I see, so to sum it up, GIORNO can get affected and damaged in a fight or whatever, this can be undone whenever or healed via other stuff. But if something is a liable threat to his life, or if GER is directly challenged rtz will kick in and make it so it won't happen. Or if giorno gets like instantly killed from something whacky(like instant neck snap passive from a range or somethin), rtz will kick in and undo the death of both(?). Assuming time erasure didnt auto activate it cause it wasnt a threat of hurting them specifically, but it still got affected as a side effect.

RTZ will kick in if he's so much as damaged. RTZ didn't even let King Crimson touch him, let alone do minor damage.
The head split was before RTZ was a thing, RTZ after the fact just negged it after.

But if something like, actually won't do anything really, like time stop, it won't be neg'd untill it becomes an issue.

And yeah my bad got off topic. Agree with this thread and the NPI stuff. I guess NEP is a little whacky given it's pretty circumstantial. Like something typically erasing them wouldn't happen in the first place usually? Probably where the pseudo part comes in?

NEP is pretty helpful, it means RTZ can affect stuff with NEP or stuff that dosn't exist. In the context of Jojo, this would mean GER can RTZ Cream's void, Go Beyond, and uh, time skip.... Latter one there in hindsight being yuh huh sure can.

The fact RTZ can kick in while they get EE'd, is moreso just adding to their already really hard to kill nature.

Someone accept this pls

Emirp is like actually the only chance, everyone else is a slave or doesn't **** with jojo.
Ping his ass in chat idk.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

NEP is pretty helpful, it means RTZ can affect stuff with NEP or stuff that dosn't exist. In the context of Jojo, this would mean GER can RTZ Cream's void, Go Beyond, and uh, time skip.... Latter one there in hindsight being yuh huh sure can.

Wasn't it already assumed to affect creams void? Since that's part 3, and it was called the ultimate ability or whatever else in the guides? But yeah its helpful. I mostly just mean the part of them gaining NEP themselves, rather than just affecting it. Is that for them or rtz specifically? Or just specifically for if they're ever erased somehow

RTZ will kick in if he's so much as damaged. RTZ didn't even let King Crimson touch him, let alone do minor damage.
The head split was before RTZ was a thing, RTZ after the fact just negged it after.

But if something like, actually won't do anything really, like time stop, it won't be neg'd untill it becomes an issue.

So in reality it's still basically passive and won't let Giorno get hurt at all? Makes me think of Makima vs Giorno thread. That mind control is just passively reverted then even if they're unaware of it, before it affects Giorno? Or does it mind control him first then GER reverts it himself? Then if they're both unaware of it, it passively kicks in

 

[Chariot190]

Wasn't it already assumed to affect creams void? Since that's part 3, and it was called the ultimate ability or whatever else in the guides? But yeah its helpful. I mostly just mean the part of them gaining NEP themselves, rather than just affecting it. Is that for them or rtz specifically? Or just specifically for if they're ever erased somehow

Assuming and what we'd accept on wiki are two very different things. Like any (sane) JoJo fan would tell you GER shit stomps and is untouchable from anything before him (and likely after but that's a bit tougher to prove due to lack of statements), but wiki needs solid proof for stuff like that, this acts as the solid proof.
See Hit stomping the shit out of Zeno for an example of inverse context not applying even if it's dumb as shit.

Idk what you mean by that, why would they gain NEP?

So in reality it's still basically passive and won't let Giorno get hurt at all? Makes me think of Makima vs Giorno thread. That mind control is just passively reverted then even if they're unaware of it, before it affects Giorno? Or does it mind control him first then GER reverts it himself? Then if they're both unaware of it, it passively kicks in

Pretty much that. Gio might be mind controlled, but GER wouldn't, but if they somehow both got affected, it'd then hinge on the automatic defense of it.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Idk what you mean by that, why would they gain NEP?

The OP says "and Pseudo NEP" so I thought they were saying that as a second addition. But I guess they just meant the NPI interacting WITH it, which makes sense. Wording confused me a little

Assuming and what we'd accept on wiki are two very different things. Like any (sane) JoJo fan would tell you GER shit stomps and is untouchable from anything before him (and likely after but that's a bit tougher to prove due to lack of statements), but wiki needs solid proof for stuff like that, this acts as the solid proof.

Actually surprising to me it wasn't already, given the statements which basically say it works on any existing ability at the time. But this is way more solid proof at least. Certainly doesn't seem like just "normal causality" anymore with it saying "lol no" to this stuff

Pretty much that. Gio might be mind controlled, but GER wouldn't, but if they somehow both got affected, it'd then hinge on the automatic defense of it.

I was curious how it's looked at here since there's a lot of different viewpoints on it. Like both giorno/ger getting beaten up then the ability activates or something. But from what I see this will just never happen, if the attack gets passed GER's fighting capability then the ability will just activate and leave both untouched. Assuming he can't consciously revert it for whatever reason

 

[Chariot190]

I was curious how it's looked at here since there's a lot of different viewpoints on it. Like both giorno/ger getting beaten up then the ability activates or something.

Idk why anyone would think that given it activated the instant before King Crimson was gonna so much as touch him and the guides say his vision of landing that blow will never happen even if he forsees it.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Idk why anyone would think that given it activated the instant before King Crimson was gonna so much as touch him and the guides say his vision of landing that blow will never happen even if he forsees it.

True, he was never even hit by the attack. So I imagine in a stand battle, there will be fighting but if giorno is actually going to be hurt it will activate (if GER doesn't notice it). But if he does, he can do whacky stuff with it manually too. Like say no to a mind control, or that time accel in the game

 

[DRW001]

we need staff votes...

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Golden Experience Requiem!
Every agreement given to this thread… will be returned to zero

 

[Chariot190]

i dont even think we need staff votes, just one should be fine, all this shit is accepted anyway on King Crimson's, it's actually just listing it on GER's profile.

 

[WyattR612]

bump

 

[WyattR612]

Bump

 

[the_doctor]

More bump

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Looks like GER doesn't actually have the NPI, cause it can't interact with the non existent staff in this thread

 

[DRW001]

pmub

 

[DRW001]

 

[Elizhaa]

The changes seem fine.

 

[DRW001]

Now that there's staff agreement and the, like, 14 other agreements from users during the 3 weeks this CRT's been up (and that this is actually already conveyed on Diavolo's profile), I'm going to apply the changes to Gio's profile now