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Do you have any in-universe evidence instead of external statements from Morrison?
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General DC Comics Discussion Thread
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Best i can think of is the All In stuff
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Would you mind elaborating on that?
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Pretty sure he's referencing the scan where it's stated Darkseid and Superman are opposites in the multiverse or smth. Also, Superman and Time Trapper are opposites too sometimes I guess. I'll go scan hunting
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I see.
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I've told you earlier. The story of Superman didn't suddenly become an indestructible story just like that, there's a reason behind it.
That reader's belief is the self perpetuating idea of superman
That self perpetuating idea of superman in reader's belief creates an indestructible story of Superman. caused this Multiverse to reestablished themselves so they can lives across decade outlast their past writers. Look at the bold word :
if you say you want to see the comic scans, you can see how the DCU still has stories until now even though the author who wrote it in the past is no longer alive. It can happen because Superman has become a self-perpetuating idea. So even though in a comic it says Superman will be "destroyed", this embedded self-perpetuating idea will never make it really happen. like how when a reader sees the title of the story and he will think "oh, he will return as usual & the story will end with To be continued just like over and over"
again, this isn't like "oh I'm Cas, I'm the indestructible story of Superman, the story will be rewritten". Morrison doesn't like this 4th wall term. But he views that Superman & Multiverse is alive in their mind that become a self perpetuating idea, so they become indestructible story Outlast their writers.
Superman will function across decade because he's a self perpetuating idea
Cas is not the good side of everything as there is Ultraman in it who is an evil villain, Superman is. Cas is a robot that protects the multiverse, where heroes and villains reside. Cas is activated by a fusion of hero (Superman) and Ultraman (evil crime). That can be destroyed beyond repair. While Multiverse or its stories persist across decade outlast its past writers, because it has an internal rules that act as NATURAL DEFENSE none of you could imagine. And that is the self perpetuating idea of superman that comes from reader's acknowledgement of this fiction.
I think its enough and clear now. Its not a conventional meta or 4th wall story
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Also this!
It's these two images right here
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So how does this Story of Superman grant Superman amps and immortality exactly?
Yes, Superman as a character will continue to be written over and over again even when his irl authors pass away. How is that any indication of any canonical Plot Manipulation he has?
This is just Superman inspiring hope in people. How is this an indication that Superman has a metaphysical connection to the narrative that grants him amps and immortality?Superman will function across decade because he's a self perpetuating idea
Why do you keep bringing up CAS? CAS is not at all related to mainline regular Superman. You yourself said CAS is not the Story of Superman. Please stop bringing up irrelevant things.
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What would this grant Superman, if anything at all, and why?
It's these two images right here
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Why you keep asking, did you read it all?
Is the story of superman actually about the character Thor or Spiderman?
The self-perpetuating idea of him(reader's acknowledgement)will rule how superman will be written, so that stories that want him & multiverse to be "destroyed" will be broken. That is Superman's passive ability.
I keep bringing cas because you thinks cas is the only one who deserved it
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Because mainl superman was inside of CAS
He keeps bringing it up because he wants it removed from superman's profile desperately despite the evidence for some reason
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he wanted to put in the indestructible story scan only in cas profile, but ignored the mechanics and explanation behind the indestructible story itself or how the indestructible story originated.
he thought it would be like a conventional plot manipulation or meta story, while morrison didn't mean it like that.
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It's explicitly stated how this Self perpetuating idea of this character character ruled how he will be written so his story become indestructible Outlast its past writers many writers have written him but Superman is Superman, He's still written to be a Hero until today. But still asking how his story connected to himself.
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If SoS is dependence on existence of Superman's essence, CAS is Superman's essence. It is not like they are seperate characters. Thought Robot is just pure idea of Superman
I couldn't care less about it cuz in this wiki y'all have complete headcanon interpretations
I couldn't care less about it cuz in this wiki y'all have complete headcanon interpretations
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Superman’s resistance to plot manipulation is not directly combat applicable. It is more along the lines that it is difficult (but not impossible) to manipulate his story. The New-52 is the result of successful manipulation of his story by erasing 10 years of his history and removing TLOS and JSA from history. However, the story of Superman, being the most important narrative in DC, ensures that eventually everything will all go back to the way it is supposed to be.
The only potential example that might fit in this category of being combat applicable is in Superman Vol4 #16 when all of the Supermen of the local 52 universes have their powers completely removed and turned into regular people after the powerful alien known as Prophecy takes their powers for himself. Despite all of them being normal, the Supermen of the local multiverse regain their powers explicitly out of the power of hope. (Though based on the fact they are glowing blue this is likely them drawing on the Blue Light of Hope from the Emotional Electromagnetic Spectrum rather than actual plot manipulation.)
The only potential example that might fit in this category of being combat applicable is in Superman Vol4 #16 when all of the Supermen of the local 52 universes have their powers completely removed and turned into regular people after the powerful alien known as Prophecy takes their powers for himself. Despite all of them being normal, the Supermen of the local multiverse regain their powers explicitly out of the power of hope. (Though based on the fact they are glowing blue this is likely them drawing on the Blue Light of Hope from the Emotional Electromagnetic Spectrum rather than actual plot manipulation.)
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This meets the idea, but this isn't the mainline Superman
I think all my previous scan is enough.
I think all my previous scan is enough.
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He said thought robot isn't part of material universe, but story of Superman is inside the material universe
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Its not just a Resistance to plot manipulation if we analyze it to the origin of "indestructible story of Superman"
Character Superman is a self perpetuating idea in reader's mind across decades(since pre crisis when cas wasn't exist yet, they only know character superman). This self perpetuating idea in reader's mind creates an indestructible story of Superman, this indestructible story of Superman makes him cant be destroyed also with the multiverse.
By hecky's IMGchest, we see that Morrison didn't see thought robot as story of Superman either, but a manifestation of multiverse protector. But he need story of Superman to power him in his mission, so zillo valla travel to germworld to search Superman existance to use this story of Superman, as she stated that story of Superman is deep within the germs world, while Morrison said cas isn't part of this germworld.
Just in case someone saying superman isn't inside Thought Robot. This scan showing mainline superman ask about the elixir to save lois in germworld :
So this all because of superman Existance
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"To be continued"What did Superman write on the tombstone?
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to be continued...
Referring to story suriving the end(Mandrakk) and living on and also referring to indestructive SOS.
As he himself said this story manifest around him and send a chill down his spine as the threat Mandrakk grew closer.
Cas was the gift by the Dax Novu to fight against any future threat and adapt instantly without it story of superman alone wasn't enough. He was the ultimage safegaurd of the creation left behind by the ultimate enemy itself.
Normal superman alone wasn't enough even though he represent SOS and this does not scale normal superman to CAS there is reason for CAS existence, and why he was needed otherwise superman alone would have fought mandrakk with his indestructible story of superman. Mandrakk was a threat to all stories that overvoid perceived as flaw which was dc creation.
Read this dc staff commentary on this final crisis issue on CBR (this explain the meaning of toombstone and whats written on it and everything about cas, sos and mandrakk).
Referring to story suriving the end(Mandrakk) and living on and also referring to indestructive SOS.
No one questioning superman wasn't inside the CAS, the story of superman refer to Superman and thats why CAS embodied as it literally has 2 extreme opposite of superman merged to pilot it. But SOS is not same thing as hyperstory that was written and imposed by the Mandrakk on the verse that CAS was fighting against.Just in case someone saying superman isn't inside Thought Robot. This scan showing mainline superman ask about the elixir to save lois in germworld :
So this all because of superman Existance
As he himself said this story manifest around him and send a chill down his spine as the threat Mandrakk grew closer.
Cas was the gift by the Dax Novu to fight against any future threat and adapt instantly without it story of superman alone wasn't enough. He was the ultimage safegaurd of the creation left behind by the ultimate enemy itself.
Normal superman alone wasn't enough even though he represent SOS and this does not scale normal superman to CAS there is reason for CAS existence, and why he was needed otherwise superman alone would have fought mandrakk with his indestructible story of superman. Mandrakk was a threat to all stories that overvoid perceived as flaw which was dc creation.
Read this dc staff commentary on this final crisis issue on CBR (this explain the meaning of toombstone and whats written on it and everything about cas, sos and mandrakk).
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Can I ask where the red scales currently?
And what is it? A structure within the multiverse?
And what is it? A structure within the multiverse?
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Its probably on par with the silent planes or whatever its called
Above The multiverse but below the Sphere
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I was thinking it had some sort of R>F transcendence (maybe 1A one, but likely higher 1D+)
Because it was created by someone who owns all the stories
including the rift in the bleed and multiverse affecting crisis, being able to reshape reality by narrating, changing the fates of heroes
describe vixen who can copy powers from supes, lanterns and flashes as metafictional
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Never use imgur bub
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brotato just create new account on there bruh
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js plot manipulation
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Imo, H1-A revision for Mandrakk(the first monitor Dax novu after corruption) and 1-A(Rox Ogama who became Mandarkk after Dax Novu that one we see in dark multiverse) and High 1-A for CAS would make sense. Since Mandarkk(Dax Novu) like Perpetua also came from outside DC. Perpetua came as the hand of presence/source. Mandarkk(the first monitor Dax Novu) came as probe from overvoid.
What do you all think?
What do you all think?
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even when histories are changed and certain people dont exist?
or when it said it altered reality
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Reality Fiction Transcendence is viewing those stories as non real.even when histories are changed and certain people dont exist?
or when it said it altered reality
dont know if this is haxs that could be include as ap or just ap
Thing you are showing can be done with plot manipulation without transcending stories
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speaking of haxs
should plot manip translate to more haxs? fate manip and stuff?
+ users of red can copy powers from lanterns, speedsters and kryptonians, would red users get the abilities and stats of those characters as well via power mimicry?
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prob
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I can't open imgbb, i've tried using VPN but it got me so lag. I'll try again later
So, CAS is a manifestation of Superman's mission to protect the multiverse & exist beyond multiverse, as Morrison said in hecky's img. This Pure Thought needs an indestructible story to power him in doing his mission, so Zillo Valla search for Superman deep within germworld. Because Superman can create an indestructible story that can give him unique ability.
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This scan isn't mainline superman. But it should be applied the same with mainline superman. Because story of superman obviously about superman, not any other character.This meets the idea, but this isn't the mainline Superman
I think all my previous scan is enough.
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Yes, this statement could be a lie given the deceitful nature of the character, but we cannot say for sure whether he was lying or serious. He was obviously trying to recruit Superboy-Prime rather than kill him, and it is possible that he did not use the same range of power or the same lethal force as with Perpetua during their fight. The accumulation of Crisis Energy was a key element in killing Perpetua during Death Metal; if an enraged Superboy-Prime had been sufficient to accomplish this task, there would have been no point in accumulating Crisis Energy, if Superboy-Prime had almost killed (presumably) the Darkest Knight who had previously killed Perpetua.
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So found something possibly threadworthy
3A to possibly low2C black canary at her peak with her scream and kung Fu magic
She fought and ultimately defeating a queitus, a being existing outside time and space, is the end of all things and threatened to destroy the living universe (black canary 2015 issue 7)
Her cry with another canary can shift reality
She has Kung Fu magic called five heavens palms which taps into the fabric of the universe (black canary 2015 issue 12)
She has this since she was a baby and was taught by her mother (who also have this power) to control the vibrations that is the movement of the universe, a music from the heavens that is her cry(black canary 2015 issue 12)
She also has this low 1C feat of exploding amazos head who has the power of all justice league members including lanterns like Hal, superman and speedsters (justice league of America 2006 issue 24)
I propose a peak key for her
3A to possibly low2C black canary at her peak with her scream and kung Fu magic
She fought and ultimately defeating a queitus, a being existing outside time and space, is the end of all things and threatened to destroy the living universe (black canary 2015 issue 7)
Her cry with another canary can shift reality
She has Kung Fu magic called five heavens palms which taps into the fabric of the universe (black canary 2015 issue 12)
She has this since she was a baby and was taught by her mother (who also have this power) to control the vibrations that is the movement of the universe, a music from the heavens that is her cry(black canary 2015 issue 12)
She also has this low 1C feat of exploding amazos head who has the power of all justice league members including lanterns like Hal, superman and speedsters (justice league of America 2006 issue 24)
I propose a peak key for her
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@Antvasima can we js topic ban this user until bro reads our DC Marvel comics rules including outlier and consistency rulesSo found something possibly threadworthy
3A to possibly low2C black canary at her peak with her scream and kung Fu magic
She fought and ultimately defeating a queitus, a being existing outside time and space, is the end of all things and threatened to destroy the living universe (black canary 2015 issue 7)
Her cry with another canary can shift reality
She has Kung Fu magic called five heavens palms which taps into the fabric of the universe (black canary 2015 issue 12)
She has this since she was a baby and was taught by her mother (who also have this power) to control the vibrations that is the movement of the universe, a music from the heavens that is her cry(black canary 2015 issue 12)
She also has this low 1C feat of exploding amazos head who has the power of all justice league members including lanterns like Hal, superman and speedsters (justice league of America 2006 issue 24)
I propose a peak key for her
