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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

Are Batman characters actually Class M? Dick Grayson for example was able to hold up an Orca's jaws which translates to him holding up a pressure of 131000388.5708 N/m^2

 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Are Batman characters actually Class M? Dick Grayson for example was able to hold up an Orca's jaws which translates to him holding up a pressure of 131000388.5708 N/m^2
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How was that calc'd? Are we saying real life orcas have Class M jaws? That seems kind of ridiculous.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Well, an orca's jaws can apply a pressure of 19,000 PSI, which can be converted to the value above
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I believe bite force isn't measured by the movement of the jaws, but by the force generated between the teeth and the measuring device. This distinction would change the feat I think. Calc group member could clarify there.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Well, an orca's jaws can apply a pressure of 19,000 PSI, which can be converted to the value above
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I don't know how that conversion works, but there is no conceivable way for an animal that size to produce that much energy. Like, not even remotely close.
This article estimates the Orca's bite force in Newtons at 85k. It references other animals like the Australian saltwater crocodile at 12k newtons, the Great White at 18k Newtons, the T-Rex at 35k Newtons, and a Megalodon at 182k newtons.

This would make the Orca's bite at Class 10. Around 100x lower than Class M.
 
Deagonx said:
I don't know how that conversion works, but there is no conceivable way for an animal that size to produce that much energy. Like, not even remotely close.
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Because is not a measure of energy, but of pressure.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Because is not a measure of energy, but of pressure.
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I understand. Hagane was proposing that it could be converted to "Class M" which is a measure of force. I imagine it might be something along the lines of calculating the full area of an Orca's mouth and multiplying the 19k value over that entire area, but I don't know the specifics. My main point was that this process leads to bad results.
 
Deagonx said:
I understand. Hagane was proposing that it could be converted to "Class M" which is a measure of force. I imagine it might be something along the lines of calculating the full area of an Orca's mouth and multiplying the 19k value over that entire area, but I don't know the specifics. My main point was that this process leads to bad results.
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We use pressure for lifting strength.

Dick wouldn't scale anyway because he's not withstanding nor is he forcing open the teeth area (as bite force specifically measures the pressure generated by the masticatory muscles and not just the jaws), but holding open the entire mouth. Notable feat, definitely wouldn't be Class M.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
We use pressure for lifting strength.
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The Lifting Strength page references force, not force over area. "Lifting Strength measures the amount of mass they can lift, which is determined by the amount of force a character can produce." The table also references newtons, not PSI.

I agree Dick doesn't scale, but even if he did it would merely be Class 10. If academic resources characterize the force of an Orca bite at 85,000 N, but we instead try to calc from PSI and end up with a result 100x higher, whatever method we are using to convert PSI to force is extremely wrong.
 
Deagonx said:
The Lifting Strength page references force, not force over area. "Lifting Strength measures the amount of mass they can lift, which is determined by the amount of force a character can produce." The table also references newtons, not PSI.

I agree Dick doesn't scale, but even if he did it would merely be Class 10. If academic resources characterize the force of an Orca bite at 85,000 N, but we instead try to calc from PSI and end up with a result 100x higher, whatever method we are using to convert PSI to force is extremely wrong.
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Ah, I see what your problem is. Hagane just converted PSI to newton/meters. He hasn't converted it to force.
 
Ahh, I see. Well that wouldn't convert to a lifting strength feat until we knew the force anyways. But since we do have the force we can just skip the calcing from PSI and go directly to what the force is.
 
If Dick had pried open the jaws by holding the Orca from the teeth, then we could measure the force he's exerting.

But that's not exactly what he's doing. He wouldn't even scale to the 83k newton afaik. Probably should ask a calc group member how to handle the feat there.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Are Batman characters actually Class M? Dick Grayson for example was able to hold up an Orca's jaws which translates to him holding up a pressure of 131000388.5708 N/m^2

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Actually, looking at the scan again, what Dick did was simply hold on to the Orca while it lounged at him. Notice how next panel he's dangling to the side of its mouth, carried by the orca. There's no feat in the first place.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
I can't find a link to Detective Comics #878 that won't give me computer virus
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You can try using the "Brave" internet browser combined with Bitdefender or Avast Antivirus with the web browsing protection enabled and "read comics online . ru ".
 
Antvasima said:
You can try using the "Brave" internet browser combined with Bitdefender or Avast Antivirus with the web browsing protection enabled and "read comics online . ru ".
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I'm not sure if that would work or not, most programmers now are reccomending not to get any VPN, anti-virus, or security browser as they don't work anymore.
 


I was right. Got the pages before the "feat" and after. Dick was tied up and got dropped in the tank. He grabbed on to the orca to use its teeth to free himself.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
I'm not sure if that would work or not, most programmers now are reccomending not to get any VPN, anti-virus, or security browser as they don't work anymore.
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It seems very unwise to not get any protection whatsoever. I personally use all of those options in combination.
 
Can you guys take a look at this thread? It has been months since the first issue of flash 2023 comic released and no one is discussing about this even though it showed a lot of cosmology related contents.

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DC Cosmology becomes even more messy

This is a discussion thread to talk about the changes that Flash new comics bring into the DC Cosmology. And to explore the ideas to how are we gonna treat these new statements. Everything started with Flash 2023 comic which introduced the new beings and new plane of existences revolving around...
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Hey could anyone tell me the issues/volumes for where the martians fear of fire is from?
 
It has happened many times, but you can check through the beginning of Grant Morrison's JLA run and John Ostrander's run on Martian Manhunter, for example. 🙏
 
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