Garou vs Ryuko

[Phoenks]

Garou was only able to go to 5-C because Saitama let him and made it easier for Garou to evolve. In addition, it was driven by rage, so I’m not sure if it could fuel the same level of reactive growth here.

Not sure why Garou has prior knowledge, since that just makes it more unfair. Regardless, Ryuko could still manage to slice Garou’s head off with her scissor blades if she catches him by surprise, since she can resist high levels of analytical prediction.

She does not have resistance to analytical prediction on her page nor does anyone in KLK have Garou's level of Analytical predictions.

Ryuko would push him to the point that he is able to blitz and obliterate her body with ease. Her only saving grace is endurance and Regen.

My question is, is her Regen even fast enough for her to recover each time Garou blasts her to pieces before he just bombards her into paste?

I get that it's basically near instant but does the same hold true for someone many times faster than you are?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

She does not have resistance to analytical prediction on her page nor does anyone in KLK have Garou's level of Analytical predictions.

She was supposed to have it added actually, the crt to add it just died halfway through the revisions. And yes they absolutely do, Sanageyama is just as good as if not better than Garou at it.

Ryuko would push him to the point that he is able to blitz and obliterate her body with ease. Her only saving grace is endurance and Regen.

My question is, is her Regen even fast enough for her to recover each time Garou blasts her to pieces before he just bombards her into paste?

I get that it's basically near instant but does the same hold true for someone many times faster than you are?

It is yes. If she isnt cut in a scissor motion she literally starts to regen immediately.

 

[Phoenks]

Yes but "immediately" for her may not be "immediately" for Garou once he becomes much faster than her, thus he may be able to outspeed her regeneration.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes but "immediately" for her may not be "immediately" for Garou once he becomes much faster than her, thus he may be able to outspeed her regeneration.

How would that even work though? Ryuko has faced people significantly faster than herself who knew how to null her regen, specifically Ragyo, who blitzed her the entire time they fought and she just kept regenerating

 

[azontr]

How would that even work though? Ryuko has faced people significantly faster than herself who knew how to null her regen, specifically Ragyo, who blitzed her the entire time they fought and she just kept regenerating

Something something speed multipliers something something Garou adapts + blitz + one-shot + ratio

 

[Phoenks]

How would that even work though? Ryuko has faced people significantly faster than herself who knew how to null her regen, specifically Ragyo, who blitzed her the entire time they fought and she just kept regenerating

Simply being fast enough to "Blitz" is unquantifiable.

Garou becoming tens to hundreds of times faster is not unquantifiable. Comparing the two just doesn't really work.

Also I don't recall anyone blitzing Ryuko to an absolutely absurd degree like Garou would.

It will work because, while it may be instantaneous from her perspective, Garou will a significant speed amp would have time to continuously damage her before she fully regenerates. Unless you assume her regeneration speed is simply that fast which I don't think it is.

Say you have a person who can regenerate in 1 second but they're up against someone who is FTL. Their regeneration is basically "instant," yet it wouldn't be able to keep up with FTL attacks, now would it?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Simply being fast enough to "Blitz" is unquantifiable.

Garou becoming tens to hundreds of times faster is not unquantifiable. Comparing the two just doesn't really work.

Also I don't recall anyone blitzing Ryuko to an absolutely absurd degree like Garou would.

It will work because, while it may be instantaneous from her perspective, Garou will a significant speed amp would have time to continuously damage her before she fully regenerates. Unless you assume her regeneration speed is simply that fast which I don't think it is.

I meant more like 'how would that do anything to her'? Just cutting her wont null her regen as she would just keep regenerating and doing so would make her more durable as a result. Basically Garou would need to go for a killing blow scissor cut from the start otherwise Ryuko would just regen and get exponentially stronger and more durable

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I meant more like 'how would that do anything to her'? Just cutting her wont null her regen as she would just keep regenerating and doing so would make her more durable as a result. Basically Garou would need to go for a killing blow scissor cut from the start otherwise Ryuko would just regen and get exponentially stronger and more durable

Yeah, it's not a speed thing, it's a "It specifically has to be cut like a pair of scissors to get neg'd" thing.

 

[Phoenks]

I meant more like 'how would that do anything to her'? Just cutting her wont null her regen as she would just keep regenerating and doing so would make her more durable as a result. Basically Garou would need to go for a killing blow scissor cut from the start otherwise Ryuko would just regen and get exponentially stronger and more durable

Continuous damage + Increasingly powerful attacks + hitting her faster than she can regenerate = she is eventually turned into paste which she can not regenerate from.

He is going to be hitting her so fast and with so much power that her regeneration will get overwhelmed until she's eventually reduced to a state she can not regenerate from.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Continuous damage + Increasingly powerful attacks + hitting her faster than she can regenerate = she is eventually turned into paste which she can not regenerate from.

The issue with that is every time he does that, she will be getting more and more durable

Also, would Garou even jump that mush speed-wise if he is blitzing his opponent from the get go?

 

[Phoenks]

The issue with that is every time he does that, she will be getting more and more durable

Also, would Garou even jump that mush speed-wise if he is blitzing his opponent from the get go?

He isn't blitzing from the get-go cause speed is equalized. Speed equalized actually makes his speed amps particularly dangerous. When he was first fighting against Platinum Sperm, he was equal to if not actually inferior in speed to him, but then they continually increased in speed and Garou blitzed the hell out of him in 0.013 seconds. In terms of in-verse scaling, pretty sure they go from like Massively Hypersonic/Relativistic to FTL.

She gets more durable, but Garou's strength exponentially increases with it. Also, in this key, I'm pretty sure he can evolve specific aspects of himself by just willing it.

 

[Dienomite22]

In terms of in-verse scaling, pretty sure they go from like Massively Hypersonic/Relativistic to FTL.

Technically, in-verse scaling took Garou and Platinum from supersonic/hypersonic (correction: subsonic/+) to relativistic to FTL.

Post-Bang Garou after waking up performed a feat that was far below HHS speed-wise and was able to blitz everyone narratively.

But that's just using technicalities since the story doesn't always make sense. Logically speaking, it's as you said.

 

[Epiccheev]

Garou's analutical prediction isn't that impressive as far as fiction goes. It's more impressive in the webcomic where he gives it a detailed explanation. In the manga it just sounds like he's babbling while raging

 

[WeeklyBattles]

He isn't blitzing from the get-go cause speed is equalized. Speed equalized actually makes his speed amps particularly dangerous. When he was first fighting against Platinum Sperm, he was equal to if not actually inferior in speed to him, but then they continually increased in speed and Garou blitzed the hell out of him in 0.013 seconds. In terms of in-verse scaling, pretty sure they go from like Massively Hypersonic/Relativistic to FTL.

TBH KLK as a whole needs some slight speed adjustment because im fairly certain that you can argue for the end of series to be Relativistic with how many speed amps they get throughout the series, but fair enough i suppose

She gets more durable, but Garou's strength exponentially increases with it.

By how much? Ryuko's strength and durability both increase with her RPL, and thats not even factoring in her rage power or self-stat amping. For reference, one of Ryuko's earliest RPL boosts made her jump from High 8-C to 7-C mid-combat

Also, in this key, I'm pretty sure he can evolve specific aspects of himself by just willing it.

Thing is, so can Ryuko, she literally evolved the ability to grow blades from her body, fly, create forcefields, etc. just because she wanted to

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Garou's analutical prediction isn't that impressive as far as fiction goes. It's more impressive in the webcomic where he gives it a detailed explanation. In the manga it just sounds like he's babbling while raging

Sanageyama's AP is to the point that just by seeing the slight muscle twitches a person makes at the start of a fight he can instantly know their entire fighting style and every move they could possibly make before theyve even used a single attack, as well as being able to instantly discern which Ryuko was the real out out of an entire room full of her afterimages. After he blinded himself, his AP got absurdly better, to the point of having perfect awareness of everything around him for hundreds of kilometers with enough precision that he can tell a person's exact thoughts and emotions from their slight eye movements, the minor changes in their heartbeat, and the smell of their sweat, as well as being able to pinpoint exactly where a single person is in the heart of a massive, crowded city, and can snipe them from kilometers away with one of his swords, again, while blind.

By the end of the series, Ryuko is on the same level as Satsuki and Nui, who are both able to bypass his senses to the point of being effectively unreadable and undetectable to him even when theyre holding back

 

[Phoenks]

By how much? Ryuko's strength and durability both increase with her RPL, and thats not even factoring in her rage power or self-stat amping. For reference, one of Ryuko's earliest RPL boosts made her jump from High 8-C to 7-C mid-combat

High 8-C to 7-C is cool but... try 7-B to 6-A and 6-A to 5-C...

The former was over the course of multiple fights. But by VSBW standards, he goes from unquantifiably above 7-B to 6-C and then straight to 6-A in like 3 fights.

Going to be hard for her durability to keep up with that.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Sanageyama's AP is to the point that just by seeing the slight muscle twitches a person makes at the start of a fight he can instantly know their entire fighting style and every move they could possibly make before theyve even used a single attack, as well as being able to instantly discern which Ryuko was the real out out of an entire room full of her afterimages. After he blinded himself, his AP got absurdly better, to the point of having perfect awareness of everything around him for hundreds of kilometers with enough precision that he can tell a person's exact thoughts and emotions from their slight eye movements, the minor changes in their heartbeat, and the smell of their sweat, as well as being able to pinpoint exactly where a single person is in the heart of a massive, crowded city, and can snipe them from kilometers away with one of his swords, again, while blind.

By the end of the series, Ryuko is on the same level as Satsuki and Nui, who are both able to bypass his senses to the point of being effectively unreadable and undetectable to him even when theyre holding back

Damn...

 

[WeeklyBattles]

High 8-C to 7-C is cool but... try 7-B to 6-A and 6-A to 5-C...

The former was over the course of multiple fights. But by VSBW standards, he goes from unquantifiably above 7-B to 6-C and then straight to 6-A in like 3 fights.

Going to be hard for her durability to keep up with that.

Ryuko actually went from 7-B to 6-A as well, specifically from the event of skinning herself alive when she ripped Junketsu off of her body

 

[Phoenks]

Ryuko actually went from 7-B to 6-A as well, specifically from the event of skinning herself alive when she ripped Junketsu off of her body

Wasn't that due to the True Life Fiber Senketsu and not because of her inherent strength-increasing abilities? I don't think that is comparable.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Wasn't that due to the True Life Fiber Senketsu and not because of her inherent strength-increasing abilities? I don't think that is comparable.

Nah, she got TLFS way before that

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Sanageyama's AP is to the point that just by seeing the slight muscle twitches a person makes at the start of a fight he can instantly know their entire fighting style and every move they could possibly make before theyve even used a single attack, as well as being able to instantly discern which Ryuko was the real out out of an entire room full of her afterimages. After he blinded himself, his AP got absurdly better, to the point of having perfect awareness of everything around him for hundreds of kilometers with enough precision that he can tell a person's exact thoughts and emotions from their slight eye movements, the minor changes in their heartbeat, and the smell of their sweat, as well as being able to pinpoint exactly where a single person is in the heart of a massive, crowded city, and can snipe them from kilometers away with one of his swords, again, while blind.

By the end of the series, Ryuko is on the same level as Satsuki and Nui, who are both able to bypass his senses to the point of being effectively unreadable and undetectable to him even when theyre holding back

Got a refute to this @Phoenks?

 

[Phoenks]

Got a refute to this @Phoenks?

It is very impressive but skill isn't really the main focus of this matchup. And Ryuko doesn't have the ability to do those things, she is just resistant to it I guess.

Doesn't matter though because Garou's raw skill is above everyone in KLK even if you think his Analytical Prediction is inferior.

Also, he's never predicted people capable of blitzing the crap out of him like Garou has.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

But yeah, Ryuko has gone from 7-B to 6-A as the result of one damage amp before

 

[Tural2004]

I removed prior knowledge.

 

[Phoenks]

I am very suspicious of her going from 7-B to 6-A with just reactive power level.

Especially because that's not even what it is listed on the page.

From what I see on the page, she is 6-A once achieving True Life Fiber Synchronization and can become stronger through reactive power level.

If the 6-A was truly from just a power amp, her tier should be changed to reflect that. It should be something like "7-B, up to 6-A via Reactive Power level/Rage Power/Whatever else it might be"

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

 

[Phoenks]

Both of them should have the bottom reaction.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Every MGRR Raiden Thread ever.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I am very suspicious of her going from 7-B to 6-A with just reactive power level.

Especially because that's not even what it is listed on the page.

From what I see on the page, she is 6-A once achieving True Life Fiber Synchronization and can become stronger through reactive power level.

If the 6-A was truly from just a power amp, her tier should be changed to reflect that. It should be something like "7-B, up to 6-A via Reactive Power level/Rage Power/Whatever else it might be"

It is being changed, like i said, there was a CRT to adjust her profile that died halfway though. she went fom 7-B to 6-A whe she skinned herself alive while tearing Junketsu off of her body. She achieved True Life Fiber Synchronization long before she reached this level of power

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Bump

 

[Phoenks]

It is being changed, like i said, there was a CRT to adjust her profile that died halfway though. she went fom 7-B to 6-A whe she skinned herself alive while tearing Junketsu off of her body. She achieved True Life Fiber Synchronization long before she reached this level of power

Unfortunately, I'm going to need to see these changes applied before I accept this. Because as of now that is not what is on the page.

 

[azontr]

Unfortunately, I'm going to need to see these changes applied before I accept this. Because as of now that is not what is on the page.

Accept this

 

[WeeklyBattles]

In the Satsuki vs Garou match, Weekly did something I'd never seen before. Not sure if this has happened in other cases, but this one was really funny to me.

He made a CRT mid-match for the Kill la Kill characters after debating in the thread and it took only a few hours to get applied, which made the match go from Garou winning to Satsuki winning in the end.

You know when people ask you to "make a CRT" in a vs thread as a way to kindly tell you to "**** off"? Yeah, Weekly actually made the CRT and got it accepted before the fight even concluded. xD.

 

[azontr]

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Accept this

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Unfortunately, I'm going to need to see these changes applied before I accept this. Because as of now that is not what is on the page.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/kill-la-kill-finishing-the-revision.139893/

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

 

[azontr]

Weekly made the thread, not me, he's the only one who gets to laugh lol.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Weekly made the thread, not me, he's the only one who gets to laugh lol.

You tempted him, so I think that qualifies.