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Garou vs Ryuko
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RandomGuy2345
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azontr
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RandomGuy2345
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Well, unless further arguments surface, my vote is for Ryuko.
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I'm pretty sure Ryūko is definitely outlasting him if it comes down to it. This bitch literally skinned herself alive after having a whole fight with Satsuki and then had another fight with Nui after Skinning herself and would've kept going if Senketsu didn't stop her saying it probably isn't a good.
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Just saying Ryuko has better stamina feats wouldn't cut it. Stamina feats are pretty subjective when it comes to quantifying them. I would argue Garou has better stamina since nearly all of his stamina feats take place in a few days with little to no rest while Ryuko's is scattered across many months. Ryuko might look better because her feats are gorier but that's about it. Besides that, even if we assume that Ryuko has better stamina, Garou would still emerge victorious in a long run through martial arts. Dodging, reflecting, minimal movement, etc. are things Garou specializes in. Garou slowly gaining speed advantage makes it even more hopeless for Ryuko.
On another note, I don't get why everyone treats Ryuko's regeneration as absolute. It can be overcome with an enough AP gap. Ryuko will catch up to Garou before that happens argument doesn't work because that's assuming she has the same rate of evolution as Garou while that's not the case. This key of Garou became 5-C in matter of minutes if not less. Not to mention, Garou can just negate her regeneration by replicating scissors.
On another note, I don't get why everyone treats Ryuko's regeneration as absolute. It can be overcome with an enough AP gap. Ryuko will catch up to Garou before that happens argument doesn't work because that's assuming she has the same rate of evolution as Garou while that's not the case. This key of Garou became 5-C in matter of minutes if not less. Not to mention, Garou can just negate her regeneration by replicating scissors.
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Ryuko scales to people who can fight nonstop for over a month, people who can withstand being tortured for a month straight without rest and be no worse for wear, etc.
The problem with that is Garou wouldnt be able to reach a level where he can overcome her regen through sheer ap. It takes a gap of millions of times to be able to reach into vaporizing your opponent via sheer ap, whereas Garou would cap at the upper level of 6-A and ryuko would get there either before him or very soon after he does
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Technically it’s allowed
- The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.
- Speed Amplification techniques are assumed to grant the same percentile of increase to a character's equalized speeds, as they would to their usual speeds.
azontr
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It shouldn't be allowed to this extent. It renders speed equalization useless.
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It’s to prevent being unfair to the character who has those incredible amps and speed since speed equalization is nerfing them already.
I believe Garou can go to his next tiers as well according to site rules as well.
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How do you even scale stamina from other people?
Seeing Satsuki's condition after that, it seems to be either very light torture or mental torture which wouldn't translate to physical stamina.
According to the rules, AP jumps are allowed unless specified otherwise.
Vaporization is overkill for high-mid regeneration. And there is still the option of just negating by cutting from both sides.
Speed Equalization exists for matches not to be stomp as soon as they start. Anything they do on their own after that is a fair game.
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That means they have prior knowledge lol
azontr
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It's unfair already to allow a character to just several speed tiers in the span of minutes in a match that is meant to have equal speed.
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It’s less unfair compared to restricting a character’s natural ability to amp their speed. Otherwise it just gives false wins /advantages to the slower character that they would never have without speed equalization.
azontr
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It really isn't less unfair bro.
azontr
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absolute tomfoolery, that is
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Of course the thread explodes while I'm driving lol
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It is. One is restricting a character’s ability to be faster for the sake of making the match “fair” for the slower character while the other applies the same rules to both without restricting their abilities to use their respective speed amps.It really isn't less unfair bro.
azontr
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How is it fair that a character is allowed to grow in speed hundreds of times within the span of seconds in a speed equalized match.
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Because the other character is allowed to use their amps or abilities as well.
If they can’t keep up or close the gap or whatever with their own amps/abilities then the fault lies on them.
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That's some bullshit.
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Restricting someone's speed amps wouldn't be fair to the character. Especially to someone like Garou who is known for his ability to ramp up in power and speed.
Anyways, if they both have prior knowledge and it is accepted that Garou blitzes after some moments of fighting, pretty sure he wins this one.
Given his knowledge in martial arts, I'm sure he could figure out some way to use his hands like scissors and cut Ryuko apart, especially if he knows that is her weakness. And since he'd be so much faster than her, she wouldn't have much of an answer to it.
Anyways, if they both have prior knowledge and it is accepted that Garou blitzes after some moments of fighting, pretty sure he wins this one.
Given his knowledge in martial arts, I'm sure he could figure out some way to use his hands like scissors and cut Ryuko apart, especially if he knows that is her weakness. And since he'd be so much faster than her, she wouldn't have much of an answer to it.
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The gap between 6-A and the level of 5-C he can reach is tens of thousands of times.
Is that not enough to liquefy her?
The rules for RE were changed so that characters with it can tier jump in matches now.
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I would argue that would make this a borderline stomp...
Like i know haha 'weekly arguing a match is a stomp' but legitimately the only thing that was making this fair was the assumption that Garou didnt know how to bypass Ryuko's regen. With prior knowledge he kinda just blitzes her and cuts her in a scissor motion and thats it, she cant really do anything to counter that
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Not in this form.
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Yeah this is a stomp if Garou has prior knowledge lol.
The speed was already enough to make the match an endurance battle.
Then you let Garou know that he can instantly kill her by just using a new hand motion. Yeah... At that point it's over.
Though even without prior knowledge can't Garou just go up to 5-C and beat her into liquid?
Because of his speed and power, by that point, he should completely overwhelm it.
The speed was already enough to make the match an endurance battle.
Then you let Garou know that he can instantly kill her by just using a new hand motion. Yeah... At that point it's over.
Though even without prior knowledge can't Garou just go up to 5-C and beat her into liquid?
Because of his speed and power, by that point, he should completely overwhelm it.
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Garou was only able to go to 5-C because Saitama let him and made it easier for Garou to evolve. In addition, it was driven by rage, so I’m not sure if it could fuel the same level of reactive growth here.
Not sure why Garou has prior knowledge, since that just makes it more unfair. Regardless, Ryuko could still manage to slice Garou’s head off with her scissor blades if she catches him by surprise, since she can resist high levels of analytical prediction.
Not sure why Garou has prior knowledge, since that just makes it more unfair. Regardless, Ryuko could still manage to slice Garou’s head off with her scissor blades if she catches him by surprise, since she can resist high levels of analytical prediction.
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I mean, lowkey thats in-character for Garou seeing as 95% of his prior knowledge came from reading a guidebook about all the active heroes in his verse
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But yeah i would say remove prior knowledge, its a relatively fair fight without it but with it Garou stomps
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I’m sure Garou would be pretty pissed if he can’t put down someone because they have good regeneration. Saitama allowing Garou to reach 5-C means nothing since it was Garou’s emotion and drive that pushed him to that level.
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