Game Sonic CRT: Low 2-C Supers

[ShakeResounding]

Introduction​

So, this CRT was done because we've got a little bit of an inconsistency in some of the Game Sonic profiles.

Currently, characters such as Classic Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, as well as Mighty and Ray, have Low 2-C segments for their Super Forms. Which has no issues, since there are blatant feats to warrant the ratings. The problem lies in those such as Modern Sonic, Shadow, Silver, and Blaze not having them. Mainly because there are feats that would warrant the ratings for these characters as well. Or, more specifically, Modern Sonic and Blaze.

The Feats​

Time Eater​

Well, for starters, Modern Super directly fought the Time Eater. I found it weird that we skipped over a Low 2-C rating for him when he was viewed as directly comparable to Classic Super within the fight. So that should likely be enough reasoning by itself.

Additionally, Time Eater should get a "possibly/likely 2-C" rating added on for being able to mess with both Silver's future and Stardust Speedway's Bad Future during the Classic Metal Sonic fight.

Egg Salamander​

Here comes a larger change.

Egg Salamander will lose his 2-C rating. For further context to the unaware, the Sol Emeralds being in Sonic's universe causes their universes to begin merging into one another, which would lead to the destruction of both universes due to them existing in the same "world". Which essentially means that the 2-C feat is a shared feat due to both the Chaos Emeralds and Sol Emeralds. A "half 2-C feat", not unlike Beerus and Champa. But the Egg Salamander is only powered from the Sol Emeralds, not both, and the Eggmen planning to use the mech's power to create a new dimension really only points to a Low 2-C rating as well.

The Scaling​

Something like this should work.

Super Sonic: At least Universe level+(Super Sonic's combined effort with Burning Blaze harmed and took down the Egg Salamander. In conjunction with the Sol Emeralds, the Chaos Emeralds were going to merge and destroy his and Blaze's universes)

Burning Blaze: At least Universe level+ (Burning Blaze's combined effort with Super Sonic harmed and took down the Egg Salamander. In conjunction with the Chaos Emeralds, the Sol Emeralds were going to merge and destroy her and Sonic's universes)

Egg Salamander (AP): At least Universe level+ (Can fight toe-to-toe with Super Sonic and Burning Blaze separately and even harm them through specific attacks)

Egg Salamander (Durability): At least Universe level+ (Can withstand attacks from both Super Sonic and Burning Blaze, though a combined attack from them ultimately destroyed it at the end of their battle)

Other Scaling​

• • Super Shadow and Super Silver will both get "At least Low 2-C" parts added into their profiles.
  • All Super Forms that have Low 2-C in their profiles will get buffed as well, considering the shared 2-C feat was achieved half because of the Chaos Emeralds. This does not scale to the Time Eater, as that fight was a shitstomp.

 

[ElixirBlue]

I agree

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Time Eater becomes the fodder of Low 2-C Sonicverse

Anyways I agree as well

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Agree here

 

[Theuser789]

Don't really like the idea Blaze and Sonic fought in turns, my understanding of it is that "fighting in turns" is mostly gameplay mechanics, otherwise a lot of fights in the series (including Solaris) would need to be changed, furthermore the combined attack was after it got weakned from both Blaze and Sonic, it wasn't a one-shot, just a finishing blow

 

[Starsprite53]

I agree

 

[ShakeResounding]

Don't really like the idea Blaze and Sonic fought in turns, my understanding of it is that "fighting in turns" is mostly gameplay mechanics, otherwise a lot of fights in the series (including Solaris) would need to be changed, furthermore the combined attack was after it got weakned from both Blaze and Sonic, it wasn't a one-shot, just a finishing blow

The difference is that Sonic and Blaze also use this method in the Rush sequel and quite literally state that they need to take turns to conserve their energy. If they hadn't then I'd be more inclined to agree with you. They don't imply they need to take turns with Solaris, which then does make it fall under game mechanics.

 

[BlastX]

I agree

 

[Theuser789]

The difference is that Sonic and Blaze also use this method in the Rush sequel and quite literally state that they need to take turns to conserve their energy. If they hadn't then I'd be more inclined to agree with you. They don't imply they need to take turns with Solaris, which then does make it fall under game mechanics.

They don't use this in Rush Adventure, they are both flying and fighting against the Egg Wizard, they can just swicth who is leading the charge in that game, here you are arguing the other character just ***** off to do whatever, I just don't buy it

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I’ve always had issues with the half 2-C thing for Dragon Ball, but I do agree with downgrading the Egg Salamander to Low 2-C based on it creating a dimension.

 

[ShakeResounding]

They don't use this in Rush Adventure, they are both flying and fighting against the Egg Wizard, they can just swicth who is leading the charge in that game, here you are arguing the other character just ***** off to do whatever, I just don't buy it

User, you even see them tagging out with one another during the fight. (And they do use this, they take turns to not "get in each other's way". Seems like a common happenstance in their duo fights)

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I agree with the proposals

 

[Theuser789]

I actually can see now they "taking turns" in the first Rush, simply because of that unique animation that plays after a hit, disagree with the one in Rush Adventure but that's kinda derrail, so I agree with the thread I guess

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Mh, finally the "half 2-C" will not be used only in DB

 

[sanicspood]

seems fine

 

[JED]

I personally still think Egg Salamander is 2-C, but the overall premise of upgrading Super forms to Low 2-C I am in full agreement with. (I always felt 4-A Super forms was such an arbitrary tier considering the Emeralds have nothing to do with the Final Egg Blaster).

 

[ShakeResounding]

This isn't removing 4-A. That's for later down the road, if at all. This is simply adding Low 2-C.

 

[Mister6ame6]

Agree with OP

 

[JED]

This isn't removing 4-A. That's for later down the road, if at all. This is simply adding Low 2-C.

Ok well baby steps then lol

 

[Theuser789]

This does not scale to the Time Eater, as that fight was a shitstomp.

Why this btw? Because they don't take any damage? It doesn't seem to be a stomp in the 3DS version, btw this fight also uses the same turn system as Rush Adventure lol

 

[ShakeResounding]

Why this btw? Because they don't take any damage? It doesn't seem to be a stomp in the 3DS version, btw this fight also uses the same turn system as Rush Adventure lol

Ah, I completely forgot about the 3DS version. I... I guess Time Eater could scale at that rate?

 

[Theuser789]

Wouldn't be 2-C because of the turn system

 

[ShakeResounding]

But aren't you arguing the Time Eater would scale to Supers' Low 2-C? That's what I'm saying.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Here comes a larger change.

Egg Salamander will lose his 2-C rating. For further context to the unaware, the Sol Emeralds being in Sonic's universe causes their universes to begin merging into one another, which would lead to the destruction of both universes due to them existing in the same "world". Which essentially means that the 2-C feat is a shared feat due to both the Chaos Emeralds and Sol Emeralds. A "half 2-C feat", not unlike Beerus and Champa. But the Egg Salamander is only powered from the Sol Emeralds, not both, and the Eggmen planning to use the mech's power to create a new dimension really only points to a Low 2-C rating as well.

Wait a minute.....
Merging two low2C structures is a solid 2C feat according to our standards....
So if Sol Emeralds merge two timelines....then thats 2C feat for them.
Sol Emeralds exitsing with Chaos Emeralds causing destruction of the merged timeline is well correctly same as Beerus Vs Champa..."half of 2C"...

So two feats here...2C and unquantifiably above low2C....
So maybe...stats should be Atleast Low2C....likely 2C....

So any opinions??

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

The Sol Emeralds‘ and the Chaos Emeralds’ combined power is 2-C. The Egg Salamander only uses the Sol Emeralds and it could create a dimension so it is Low 2-C.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

The Sol Emeralds‘ and the Chaos Emeralds’ combined power is 2-C. The Egg Salamander only uses the Sol Emeralds and it could create a dimension so it is Low 2-C.

Isn't merging caused by Sol Emeralds alone??

The destruction of the merged timeline is more like destabilization due to Sol and Chaos existing together...

As I read it there are two feats here...
Sol Emeralds - 2C for merger.
Sol +Chaos = Low2C destabilization.

So technically it's not even 2C feat like Beerus vs Champa.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

The Sol Emeralds interacting with the Chaos Emeralds causes the merger, so it’s a shared 2-C feat.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

No the merging is caused by both the Chaos and Sol Emeralds

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

The Sol Emeralds interacting with the Chaos Emeralds causes the merger, so it’s a shared 2-C feat.

Hmmm....K..my bad.

 

[JED]

Well in the last story, it was also said that we’re going to do the merger after getting the Sol Emeralds, but it was only stoped because Sonic was using the Chaos Emeralds. So shouldn’t that still make it 2-C?
Even if it’s not completely clear, I think a good compromise would be to say “at least Low 2-C, possibly 2-C”

 

[Theuser789]

But aren't you arguing the Time Eater would scale to Supers' Low 2-C? That's what I'm saying.

Yeah

 

[Theuser789]

Well in the last story, it was also said that we’re going to do the merger after getting the Sol Emeralds, but it was only stoped because Sonic was using the Chaos Emeralds. So shouldn’t that still make it 2-C?
Even if it’s not completely clear, I think a good compromise would be to say “at least Low 2-C, possibly 2-C”

I would be fine with this as well

 

[ShakeResounding]

Well in the last story, it was also said that we’re going to do the merger after getting the Sol Emeralds, but it was only stoped because Sonic was using the Chaos Emeralds. So shouldn’t that still make it 2-C?

But that's because the Chaos Emeralds and Sol Emeralds are compared to positive and negative priorities that attract one another, the Eggmen actually make this comparison. The merge was never going to be done through the Sol Emeralds alone, because it simply couldn't within the context of the game.

 

[JJSliderman]

Half 2-C Salamander sounds pretty reasonable.
This won't apply to any 4-A boss characters like Dark Gaia, Overlord, etc. right.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Yeah, 4-A remains untouched for now.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

I agree

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Seems alright but since I don't know the sonic verse to well I'd like to know if the characters were referring to the word "world" as universe or planet in the context of the video/scans you posted about the universes merging and everything being destroyed.

 

[ShakeResounding]

"World" and "Dimension" are both used interchangeably within the game for universe a few times, yeah.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

"World" and "Dimension" are both used interchangeably within the game for universe a few times, yeah.

Alright than, I don't have any issues and agree with the changes in the OP.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

In the context of the game, it’s specified that the space-time continua of the “worlds” (which refers to universes/dimensions) was being affected as well.

Thanks, just needed to be sure that's what they were referring to.