Future Warrior 2 vs. Monika

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Ki is literally energy unless you are proposing Monika does not even have energy. I see no proof of this. You need to show scans of Monika not having energy. Programs in real life literally need energy to run on.

no, or are you proposing androids have no energy? its phisical strenght made into a form of energy that disipates once you die and cant be sensed in non alive things such as androids


and no, a non corporeal like monika has no energy while noncorporeal as energy needs SOME form of matter to exist whitn something, or it would dissipate in the eternal space.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

The real question is if Monika would even have a soul....She is canonically a character in a game.

Did we ever get this "Do robots have souls/minds?" thing decided? It has been a problem in some threads in the past.

 

[Bluetrekking]

Are you saying that a blade of grass is strong because it can be sensed? You are using blatant head canon to justify Ki. Here on the DB wiki it states Ki is life force energy. FW and various DB characters have sensed non-corporeal beings in the past.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Did we ever get this "Do robots have souls/minds?" thing decided? It has been a problem in some threads in the past.

yeah, robots have neither, while androids have and ais have minds but no souls

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

And what about Monika?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

And what about Monika?

she is an ai by lore

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

a self aware npc

 

[Bluetrekking]

It was never "truly" decided if that was the case. In this thread, an attempt was made to give Android 16 immunity to soul and Mind Manipulation. The proposal was turned down and not added. So until we truly accept it, Monika technically has a soul.

 

[Akreious]

Well if it's any consolation, they were able to sense and gauge infinite Zamasu's power who was becoming one with the universe as well as non-corporeal himself.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Well if it's any consolation, they were able to sense and gauge infinite Zamasu's power who was becoming one with the universe as well as non-corporeal himself.

but he was connected to the universe and was made out of chi.

monika is in the asame boat as androids, she wont be sensed

 

[Akreious]

The 2nd part of your post I'll get to later, but Infinite Zamasu wasn't made of ki. The soul and Ki are different things in Dragon Ball Lore.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The 2nd part of your post I'll get to later, but Infinite Zamasu wasn't made of ki. The soul and Ki are different things in Dragon Ball Lore.

not out of ki, my bad. but he did have so, and androids cant be felt, so ill wait for that part of it

 

[Bluetrekking]

He should still be able to sense her given his enhanced senses in hearing, smelling and sense the vibrations given every Saiyan and Namekian has these properties.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

He should still be able to sense her given his enhanced senses in hearing, smelling and sense the vibrations given every Saiyan and Namekian has these properties.

but how would he hearand smell something whitout body ? she only emits sound when projecting her song and playing piano, and i dont think shed do either, and vibratiom outside of reality is plain out stupid. no air no sound and vibra

 

[Bluetrekking]

Tell that to DB. Characters can do that in a void outside of time and the multiverse. So don't say "is just plain stupid" as an argument. This is fiction dude. This is not even taking place in a void, it is in Central Park bruh. On her page, it does not even state she is invisible.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Tell that to DB. Characters can do that in a void outside of time and the multiverse. So don't say "is just plain stupid" as an argument. This is fiction dude. This is not even taking place in a void, it is in Central Park bruh. On her page, it does not even state she is invisible.

but buth destroy the universe regularly so it being in central park is useless.

and it takes place in our uniiverse with our laws of phisics, while bended so characters can do whatever they can in normal series.

and still, monika only emits sounds while playing piano or with a recodring she can play, why would she use either here? and shes incorporeal, so vibration and smelling is out to. and with her being an ai sensing is out to

 

[Bluetrekking]

An Ai still has some form of energy to run on. The only reason they could not sense the androids is because they had a different form of energy apart from Ki. So unless you can show me that Monika has no energy or a different form of energy, she is being sensed. Plus, FW has sensed not just ki but Dark ki, Minus Ki, Magic, Anti-Magic and God Ki. Still see no way of Monika no selling Mid-Godly and thus inconclusive.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

An Ai still has some form of energy to run on. The only reason they could not sense the androids is because they had a different form of energy apart from Ki. So unless you can show me that Monika has no energy or a different form of energy, she is being sensed. Plus, FW has sensed not just ki but Dark ki, Minus Ki, Magic, Anti-Magic and God Ki. Still see no way of Monika no selling Mid-Godly and thus inconclusive.

mind hax could make fw incapable of fighting and noncorporeals canbe whitout any of the ebnergies you listed, she has no magic and unless fw can sense electricity and datat he aint sensing her, as she has mo chi or any kind of energy

verse equalization equalizes energuies, not gives random peapole nergy out of nowher. or do you think well be giving dt to all humanoids who fight ut chararcters?

 

[Bluetrekking]

Electricity is a form of energy. FW can sense energy in general and electricity is a form of it, bruh. FW resists mind hax that affects people that resist mind hax. Can you not see the blatant "Resistance to Mind Manipulation" on his page?

 

[Bluetrekking]

Still see no proof of Monika having no energy. Being non-Corporeal =/= not having energy.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Still see no proof of Monika having no energy. Being non-Corporeal =/= not having energy.

burden of proof is on you as you claim apositive and no, fw has never shown to be able to sense electricity, and monika cant have energy, as a bodyless mass of knowlege cant contain energy

 

[Bluetrekking]

You just said Monika has electricity and are literally back tracking your statements. Ki can be used for electricity as both are just forms of energy. Goku has resistance to electricity as the move converted Ki into electricity. Still not seeing any win conditions for Monika.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

You just said Monika has electricity and are literally back tracking your statements. Ki can be used for electricity as both are just forms of energy.

in her npc form, not the noncorporeal

again, give proof she has ki. you do know how the burden of proof works right?

 

[Bluetrekking]

You just said she has electricity dude. Ki is just a form of energy that can be converted into other forms like electricity and heat energy. You said that Monika has electricity.

You literally debunked yourself by saying that Monika has electricity. You do know electricity is energy right? And yo do know FW can sense energy right? Again, this is inconclusive as it gets. You have provided no solid evidence of Monika winning other than "lol mindhax" which FW resists two times over.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

You just said she has electricity dude. Ki is just a form of energy that can be converted into other forms like electricity and heat energy. You said that Monika has electricity.
You literally debunked yourself by saying that Monika has electricity. You do know electricity is energy right? And yo do know FW can sense energy right? Again, this is inconclusive as it gets. You have provided no solid evidence of Monika winning other than "lol mindhax" which FW resists two times over.

and i clarified that she has electricity while in her human/npc form, while we are using the incorporeal one

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

he only resicted magic based mind hax, not exictence and data manipulation based ones, as said above

 

[Bluetrekking]

It doesn't matter what causes mind hax. And yes, he has also resisted existence based memory hax. He resisted mind hax that "transcends human knowledge".

 

[Schnee_One]

he only resicted magic based mind hax, not exictence and data manipulation based ones, as said above

And since both are Mind Manipulation, that means shit.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It doesn't matter what causes mind hax. And yes, he has also resisted existence based memory hax. He resisted mind hax that "transcends human knowledge".

that was done by magic, and no, unless you belive vegito is immune to being atomicly remade.


transcending human knowlege does not in any means say its exictence OR data based. ALL magic transends or knowlege, as we dont know anything about it

 

[Bluetrekking]

Never said that so stop using Strawman arguments. Memory hax won't work because he remembers events that did not exist. Mind hax is mind hax so the cause doesn't mean shit.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Never said that so stop using Strawman arguments. Memory hax won't work because he remembers events that did not exist. Mind hax is mind hax so the cause doesn't mean shit.

yes it does, magic based mind hax is much inferior to data and exictence based mind hax. the magnitude of ppower is simply ridiculosly different

 

[Bluetrekking]

Also, according to the Magic page:

"The ability to allow manipulating aspects of reality (or all of them), bypassing the known laws of physics"

Magic bypasses laws of physics by controlling Reality. By your Logic, Magic > Existence and data Manipulation. And the aspect that Demigra's magic manipulates is the mind.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Also, according to the Magic page:
"The ability to allow manipulating aspects of reality (or all of them), bypassing the known laws of physics"

Magic bypasses laws of physics by controlling Reality. By your Logic, Magic > Existence and data Manipulation.

not really, it can bypass it, but data and exictence erasure are able to remake ir. and it a case by case scenario, unless you think voldemort solos all of reality.

demigra, mira and towa hadent shown any mind controll comparable to data manipulation. it could be resisted with raw power, as shown in xenoverse one with mira and towa being unure of the ability to affect ss3 and demigar being unable to affect beerus.

 

[Bluetrekking]

No, it was resisted by having God Ki, A divine force. Demigra literally stated Goku resisted it by attaining God Ki. And, FW resists Mind Manipulation that affects people that resist Mind Manipulation. And all of this happened before he had God Ki.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No, it was resisted by having God Ki, A divine force.

yes, and that resisted the magic. unless your saying beerus is immune to exictence erasure (which we know to be false) or data manipulation (which he has no proof of) i dont see your point

 

[Bluetrekking]

Beerus in Xenoverse is vey comfortable with having his history erased actually.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Beerus in Xenoverse is vey comfortable with having his history erased actually.

please provide a scan.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

and zeno showed that he is not immune

 

[Bluetrekking]

And you can't Mind hax someone with existence Erasure. What kinda wank is that? Also, mid-Godly negs existence erasure. If FW just resisted Magic, he would not have resistance to Mind Manipulation. Magic was just the catalyst like how data manipulation is the catalyst.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

And you can't Mind hax someone with existence Erasure. What kinda wank is that? Also, mid-Godly negs existence erasure.

not erasure, exictence manipulation, being able to manipulate someones exictence. god negs exictence ERASURE, not manipulation