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Fused Lilith vs Shinobu Oshino
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Fused lilith vs Shinobu Oshino
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Kazuma_kuwabara
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Shinobu wins if her "instakill cut against supernatural beings" works
Because that sounds op against a ******* DEVIL, Lilith win condition is playing at range, she will do it if is scared of dying like when she literally run away from Asta
Because that sounds op against a ******* DEVIL, Lilith win condition is playing at range, she will do it if is scared of dying like when she literally run away from Asta
speedster352
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They start off with intangibility and have high regen and conceptual fire and ice and this is the fuison
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Lilith resists Shinobus passive mindhax (not sure if it is layered) so Lilith doesn't instantly lose
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I am assuming it has NPI to interact with them and is able to kill High Regen because if not it will not instant kill
Kazuma_kuwabara
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I know that is the fusion
And their conceptual destruction is not an instakill against persons, Nacht tanked a lot of their attacks without being "conceptually destroyed"
High regen does not stop you from instanly dying
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Durability Negation, Death Manipulation, and Non-Physical Interaction with Kokorowatari sword (Can cut through any supernatural being and kill them with a single scratch, including ghosts and selectively tangible beings, useless otherwise, as it simply phases through targets without dealing any harm to them)
speedster352
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Yes but they will start off with the freezing sun and they have layered passive power null
Read devil biology it won't work
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Because you say so? The swords kills anything that is a supernatural being, is does not need to destroy any heart or anything, your life ENDS, period
speedster352
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They can dodge and they have layered power null ask the BC supporters
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They can freeze and burn it conceptually so it won't reach them nacht survived their physical attacks and they were most likely holding back.
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Youtou Kokorowatari is a demon sword that harms and effectively kills oddities
Arcane Stage: Arcane Stage encompasses mages who have deeply tapped into Forbidden Magic, and mages with the ability to interfere with the otherworld[21]. For the former, characters that are able to borrow the power of what would qualify as a devil in their respective verse (Unholy Manipulation) should be able to destroy the heart of a devil. As for the latter, not much is known as of now.
+ The sword is not magical= is not power nulled by the Devils
And don´t tell me to go to ask the BC supporters like every single time you write a message here, ty
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Range: Standard melee range normally, far higher with mind manipulation (Capable of affecting entire armies) | Standard melee range normally, several meters with Kokorowatari, tens of meters via throwing swords | Standard melee range normally, several meters with Kokorowatari, much higher via throwing swords, shockwaves, shapeshifting, etc
It won't reach lilith has they have the range advantage and they can conceptually freeze and burn the attack passively they have average intelligence
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Their Conceptual Manipulation is not passive. In fact, it was only brought up the moment they actually started trying
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Yes but they are fused and have average intelligence so they will use their magic and they have the range advantage
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Yes that is true, I'm just clarifying
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Thanks
Now that I countered your arguements any thing else?
Kazuma_kuwabara
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You did not counter anything but okey
speedster352
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Lilith fusion has superior range, can counter the hax with passive powernull and conceptually freezing and burning it and by range spaming and one shot with freezing sun
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You did not counter that. This looks like a very clear-cut way for Shinobu to destroy Fused Lilith's heart
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Can´t counter anything that is not magic, can´t counter Shinobu superior AP, can´t counter she hiding in shadows etc
Not comenting anymore because you obviously does not want to listen and only repeat the same reasons 5 times without reading anything
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They also have passive forcfield creation and devil physiology
They can burn and freeze shadows and light. what is her ap anyway?
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I may be wrong, but wasn't there a thread where it was accepted that Lilith/Naamah has no conceptual manipulation but non-physical interaction?
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They're both in-character so you gotta think about what Lilith actually would do. The Power Null is not as broken as you think, as it's only really against magic. And if Shinobu has superior AP, Freezing Sun is not one-shotting at all
Passive Forcefield Creation only works on weaker spells, so it's ineffective
Naamah and Lilith individually are stated to be able to burn "shadows, light, and even invisible concepts" so there is actually a counter to her hiding in shadows, but the rest is true.
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That thread was made but it was agreed on to be Limited Conceptual Manipulation
Kazuma_kuwabara
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True, in that regard, but I was refering to Shinobu using it to dodge one attack, then appearing again, the technique would be useless a second time
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I still stand with the fact that they have superior range, npi and limited conceptual attacks which can erase the concept of Shinobu(I am surprised they don't have duraboty negation). They have intangibity and inorganic and devil phyioglogsy and they can figure a way to win with average intelligence. What are both win cons?
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"Erase the concept of Shinobu" No, just no. That's taking the idea of Conceptual Manipulation and just running laps with it to make them do stuff they're never even shown capable of doing. That's not gonna fly
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That's fair. Shinobu could probably do that once but then never again
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Sorry but they can just freeze her since she has no resistance to ice manipulation that's a likely win cons since they have the range advantage
Kazuma_kuwabara
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High-mid regen+ intangibility
speedster352
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They have NPI how many times do I have to say it. Also flash freezing ignores regen and they have limited conceptual manipulation. Also the shadow thing won't even work the first time since they start off with their magic.
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her intangibility is fog based
speedster352
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They can even affect concepts such as shadow and ice so fog is not new. They literally destroyed a world that doesn't even exist stated by nacht himself.
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Keep using the conceptual argument, when clover already adressed that you are smoking weed
speedster352
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You were saying?
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Speedster using the whole powerset of a character to make his point? How original and unexpected
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I just don't like repeating myself. The win con for Lillith fusion is superior range and freezing(they have NPI even for things that don't exist so intagibity won't work). That's all I can come up with.
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