It's still NPI since it works on shadows and etc. Seriously don't know the meaning of NPI? Affecting Non-existent things is a feat so they can definitely freeze fog since it exists. anyway. Lilith fra
there is none, we're still debating
So any counters? Instead of trying to downplay the NPI
They have the range advantage and can turn into fire and ice and freeze shinobu
That doesn't counter Absorption
Negative mana rememeber. They have the range advantage they will just freeze Shinobu from a range
Means nothing because even if the negative mana drives Shinobu insane, Shinobu's already won
Please stop repeating the same thing over and over, it's getting tiring
Elemental Intangibility, Inorganic Physiology (Type 1. While she is turned into ice) Not a problem we are talking about ic right? They start off with freezing and burning things. Freezing is a good incap option.
Would she absorb ice and fire? It still falls under NLF. Even if she does so long as a tiny bit remains they can regen they have high regen.
Yes, they can turn into ice and fire respectively also range remember only several meters for shinobu and lilith 100s of meters to kilometers with freezing sun and SBA states they are 4km away. So lilith attack will reach first and then they freeze Shinobu and call it a day
Wait it's only for humans lol. Proof that it works on devils and fire and ice lol
Yea but it is vague and we don’t just make blatant assumptions. So anything else to add?
Exactly and they can turn to actually fire and ice. Also how will she touch them they are 4km away they can just use freezing sun and freeze her. Not inconclusive just bias since the fusion has a solid win con that is ic. Freezing her under extremely thick ice. That’s requires LS to break out of.
Still waiting a Monogatari expert because the sword still can cut NPI beings but I don´t know any example, just the basic
They freeze and burn shadows and things that do not exist also they just drop freezing sun down and it goes kaboom. Also they just freeze her and all her clones that’s the end of that. Also they have inorganic physiology when they turn into fire and ice and that gives them resistance to death manipulation Danmaku, True Flight, Elemental Intangibility, Inorganic Physiology (Type 1. While she is turned into ice), like I said the win con is freezing sun and freezing shinobu from a range which is ic
What "coping" is there? First of all, Lilith/Naamah's conceptual manipulation is not the same as Morris's. Second, none of these characters are stated to mess with the concept of the target itself (maybe Morris's is implied since he says the moment he touches them, they're finished, but again his Conceptual Manipulation is not the same as Lilith's/Naamah's and saying it is just because they're both called Conceptual Manipulation is a false equivalence)
Cool story bro
You're in no position to say others are "coping" when you won't even substantiate your own pointsCool story bro
As far as I remember, you're the one who brought their CM being like Morris' in this thread
I hope we are not derailing. So who are you voting for?
I already countered the knife thing its range is too short and cannot kill them when they turn into ice or fire due to inorganic physiology and they can freeze and burn it along with her from a range. A little?
No resistance to ice manipulation means gets frozen from kilometers away and that's it
There’s been plenty of points against the Ice you’ve not countered and tbh
I would want the opinion of other supporters of Lilileth’s verse before I changed my mind anyways, from what others are saying you seem to be overrating the potency of some of her hax
