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turning the outside of your body to rubber so you can hit the inside is definitely dura neg
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Full Power Luffy vs Primebeard (8-7-1)
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DaMonkeMan
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Yes, turning someone's body/insides to rubber is Dura Neg as you're changing their body to a softer material.
DaMonkeMan
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Btw I never mentioned this before but shouldn't Luffy have some form of Danmaku for chewing up the ground and spitting large chunks of rocks at people?
Hellscream
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And you
The fact that he barely beat kaido, who was hit with literally the combined force of their alliance does.
And the fact that primebeard is even stronger than kaido.
No character currently scales above Xebec, Garp, Whitebeard or Roger.
No.
The fact that he barely beat kaido, who was hit with literally the combined force of their alliance does.
And the fact that primebeard is even stronger than kaido.
No character currently scales above Xebec, Garp, Whitebeard or Roger.
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"the fact that he barely beat kaidou"
stop talking about powerscaling like that. he was hurting kaidou in base. He couldn't beat kaidou cause of his endurance, which is better than whitebeards
Roger and Whitebeard had dozens of rivals and counterparts who could battle them
stop talking about powerscaling like that. he was hurting kaidou in base. He couldn't beat kaidou cause of his endurance, which is better than whitebeards
this is a fanboy statement with no barring
Roger and Whitebeard had dozens of rivals and counterparts who could battle them
Hellscream
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How is his endurance better than whitebeard exactly?
It's not a fanboy statement it's literal one piece lore
What character was stated to be roger's equal outside of garp and whitebeard?
It's not a fanboy statement it's literal one piece lore
What character was stated to be roger's equal outside of garp and whitebeard?
DaMonkeMan
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What's funny is Xebec him self was actually implied to be above Primebeard by some slight margin, as he was Roger's greatest adversary or somn.
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Hellscream is reading Two Piece since G5 was literally rocking Kaidou's shit till the flame dragon came out.
Bagrang Gun GG.
Bagrang Gun GG.
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The fact that it took both Prime Garp and Roger to defeat him definitely would support that theory.
DaMonkeMan
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No, that was because he had a powerful crew too.
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Thanks for explaining, i learned something new
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Google "Kaidou unmatched Vitality" on google
There is 0 lore on strength of Roger. He's important cause of conquest, not strength
Shiki
DaMonkeMan
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Alternatively: ttps://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tvbz81/every_single_hint_at_kaido_being_the_stongest/ ( I cut out the first letter because the post was a bit long )
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Roger is a gigachad who doesn't need to be powerscaled.
He's a symbol more than anything else tbh, never really understood the hype around him regarding his strength outside of the anime.
He's a symbol more than anything else tbh, never really understood the hype around him regarding his strength outside of the anime.
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People have this weird-ass delusion that Roger is above all the yonko just because he became the Pirate King.
Just because he travelled more doesn't mean he's stronger.
Also, Prime Shiki took Garp AND Sengoku to bring down, while Roger was equal to either one of them (going by his own words).
Just because he travelled more doesn't mean he's stronger.
Also, Prime Shiki took Garp AND Sengoku to bring down, while Roger was equal to either one of them (going by his own words).
Godernet
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To be fair
This Reddit post is mostly trying to prove Kaido was the strongest of the current characters and all of the points used are comparing Kaido to living characters.
And the Vivre Card does call his vitality unrivaled but that doesn't necessarily have to be interpreted as Whitebeard too. To be unrivaled is to have no competition and Kaido wouldn't have to compete against characters that no longer exist. It's not like the Vivre card said he had something like "unsurpassed vitality" meaning his vitality would be unequivocally above everyone else's alive or not. There's room for interpretation is my point.
DaMonkeMan
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I'm pretty sure that the claim would have been valid even when Sickbeard was alive though.
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Yall the type to say "smartest man" to apply only before chapter 3
Godernet
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I mean, to be real, why would statements like "unrivaled" apply to dead people?
Does Kaido have more Vitality then, say Xebec or Roger? We don't know, because "Unrivaled" is talking about LIVING characters, not characters 2 years'(or more) dead
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This isn't a statement in the manga referencing the currently alive characters, this is a statement referencing Kaidou's lifetime of combat, including when he was younger
After listing statistics that started when he was young, this isn't a one off statement about the current alive people, this is about his history as a pirate, which includes pre-prime beard, prime beard, and half dead beard
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Alright let’s break out some stats between the two:
Endurance- Equal. Unless you’ve been reading two piece this entire time I want no disrespect on Luffy’s endurance. Whitebeard’s crazy not gonna lie but Luffy’s actually something else at times. This “muh endurance” argument ain’t holding up, especially to someone like Luffy, and even more so to the fact that this man’s can revive himself from the dead.
AP- Relative. Luffy in base was going blow for blow against hybrid Kaido. The guy with the saying given to him as “if it’s one on one, always bet on Kaido.” In gear 5 Luffy was literally playing jump rope with him. Absolutely rocked this man. And to top it all off, he can make his fist as big as a whole ass island.
Haki- Luffy. Luffy’s got superior all around haki. Whitebeard may have better acoc but Luffy literally has advanced future sigh. And Luffy’s own conquerors isn’t too far off + he can actively develop it as he fights. So he’s shlapping Primebeard’s haki.
Hax- Luffy. Dude can fly, he can reality warp, he’s a goddamn mythical zoan with regenerative properties, and he can turn the whole environment around him into rubber which is a hard counter to whitebeard’s quakes.
In conclusion- Primebeard ain’t Guraguraing outta this one chief. This bandwagon about him being essentially untouchable has gotta end.
Endurance- Equal. Unless you’ve been reading two piece this entire time I want no disrespect on Luffy’s endurance. Whitebeard’s crazy not gonna lie but Luffy’s actually something else at times. This “muh endurance” argument ain’t holding up, especially to someone like Luffy, and even more so to the fact that this man’s can revive himself from the dead.
AP- Relative. Luffy in base was going blow for blow against hybrid Kaido. The guy with the saying given to him as “if it’s one on one, always bet on Kaido.” In gear 5 Luffy was literally playing jump rope with him. Absolutely rocked this man. And to top it all off, he can make his fist as big as a whole ass island.
Haki- Luffy. Luffy’s got superior all around haki. Whitebeard may have better acoc but Luffy literally has advanced future sigh. And Luffy’s own conquerors isn’t too far off + he can actively develop it as he fights. So he’s shlapping Primebeard’s haki.
Hax- Luffy. Dude can fly, he can reality warp, he’s a goddamn mythical zoan with regenerative properties, and he can turn the whole environment around him into rubber which is a hard counter to whitebeard’s quakes.
In conclusion- Primebeard ain’t Guraguraing outta this one chief. This bandwagon about him being essentially untouchable has gotta end.
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That makes more sense then, thank ye
DaMonkeMan
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Let's not forget that Kaidou thought of Oden as almost equal, who was inferior to Roger and Whitebeard by a lot.
DaMonkeMan
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A long time ago, he's gotten stronger since then.
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Luffy FRA
Godernet
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Luffy has good endurance but he hasn't shown the capability to fight a top tier for several days like how Whitebeard could fight Roger for 3 days. Also, sick, old, dying Whitebeard's endurance is still some of the best in the series with just his feats. I'd still give it to Whitebeard.
Whitebeard still has the "strongest paramecia". We never really saw how devastating his Quake abilities are when he's using them on top of his Adv Conq. So while "relative" is fine, Whitebeard has the potential to have far stronger attacks than anything we saw in Marineford.
We have no idea how good Whitebeard's Arm or Obv is so this is fair.
Agreed
I still think Whitebeard would just outlast G5. We've seen Admirals and Yonko fight at full power for days with no implied breaks. Luffy's longest fights were his fights with Katakuri and Kaido, both times he had time to get away from the fight to recover. I just don't think Luffy has enough feats of fighting with someone on a similar, potentially higher level of power for days on end.
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I mean the top 5 thing lmao.
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People bring this up all the time
All cause you can fight for days getting papercuts doesn't mean you can fight for hours getting organ destruction
Ace fought Jinbe for 5 days and got put on his ass against Blackbeard in probably 20 minutes
Akainu fought Aokiji for 10 days and got laid out by a Sickbeard from like 2 shots
Marco fought for 3 days in that same fight you're mentioning and tapped out against King and Queen in deadass less than an hour
Kaidou fought Big Mom for over a day
He didn't last 3 hours during the raid
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Shit
Luffy has the best stamina feats in the verse when it comes to getting your ass beat for hours and hours
He got his ass beat by Katakuri getting fatal shots for half a day and still came out on top
Shit he did in Impel Down was up there too
Yall don't know the measurements and weight of these feats you guys hype up. You see 3 days and worship it
Luffy has the best stamina feats in the verse when it comes to getting your ass beat for hours and hours
He got his ass beat by Katakuri getting fatal shots for half a day and still came out on top
Shit he did in Impel Down was up there too
Yall don't know the measurements and weight of these feats you guys hype up. You see 3 days and worship it
DaMonkeMan
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As addendum to his post, can anyone, anyone at all, tell me how many hits Primebeard and Roger took during those days?
Cause y'all don't know. You just talk about the days they fought but, they were relatively fine afterwards it seems.
In fact even Akainu and Kuzan's fight was more impressive, because they were actually confirmed to have been ******* each other up and Akainu was given the choice to murder Kuzan right there.
Only excuse you can make is that Akainu and Kuzan were having a death match while Primebeard and Roger weren't but that doesn't have much basis anyways as Roger tells Garp that they straight up tried to kill each other and were on the verge of it a few times in the past, why would it be different with Primebeard?
Cause y'all don't know. You just talk about the days they fought but, they were relatively fine afterwards it seems.
In fact even Akainu and Kuzan's fight was more impressive, because they were actually confirmed to have been ******* each other up and Akainu was given the choice to murder Kuzan right there.
Only excuse you can make is that Akainu and Kuzan were having a death match while Primebeard and Roger weren't but that doesn't have much basis anyways as Roger tells Garp that they straight up tried to kill each other and were on the verge of it a few times in the past, why would it be different with Primebeard?
DaMonkeMan
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Not to mention that, besides the hits he took from people like Akainu, most of the stuff he endured in Marineford were kind of small, fodder shit that seem like outliers.
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I mean they were stated to be injuries so... moot point?
DaMonkeMan
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What ever, my other points still stand.
Godernet
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BB was stronger it wasn't some long contest of endurance he got overwhelmed by BB's fruit from what we saw. That's like judging Luffy's endurance from getting knocked out in 2 minutes in his first fight with Kaido.
Shows how powerful those Gura-Gura Punches can be, doesn't it?
There were other factors here, Kaido holding up Onigashima and running the Wano Gauntlet while purposefully taking hits from the several people trying to jump him.
Whitebeard won't give Luffy the benefit of letting him get endless hits in like Kaido did. Even if we did consider them relative, G5 is Luffy's greatest chance of winning and it probably won't outlast Primebeard.
Also besides getting barely stabbed by his trident what fatal shots did Luffy take from Katakuri? And that shot made him drop to the ground. Katakuri would have killed him if he wasn't being honorable.
Godernet
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it's not like the 3 days Primebeard and Roger fought was even their limits especially since like you said they were perfectly fine afterward. The number of wounds just shows that Whitebeard and Roger are relative enough in skill and power for it to be hard for one to injure the other in a 3-day long fight.
DaMonkeMan
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But it means it's not a showcase of endurance at all, just stamina.
