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turning the outside of your body to rubber so you can hit the inside is definitely dura negW8 is Transmutation Dura Neg? Didn't know that
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turning the outside of your body to rubber so you can hit the inside is definitely dura negW8 is Transmutation Dura Neg? Didn't know that
Yes, turning someone's body/insides to rubber is Dura Neg as you're changing their body to a softer material.W8 is Transmutation Dura Neg? Didn't know that
No.Luffy has 3 different types of dura neg, hilariously more versatility, can fly, speed boosts, more advanced haki types for 2/3 of the existing Haki types, relative AP in base stacked with two different types of reactive power level and accelerated development, empowerment, literally another ******* life whenever he first dies, and can reduce damage from physical hits by morphing his body, and you're seriously telling me "stamina", "endurance", and "hype" is good enough for Whitebeard to win???
Whitebeard hasn't shown enough to beat a Luffy of this caliber at his peak right now
this is a fanboy statement with no barringNo character currently scales above Xebec, Garp, Whitebeard or Roger.
What's funny is Xebec him self was actually implied to be above Primebeard by some slight margin, as he was Roger's greatest adversary or somn.And you
No.
The fact that he barely beat kaido, who was hit with literally the combined force of their alliance does.
And the fact that primebeard is even stronger than kaido.
No character currently scales above Xebec, Garp, Whitebeard or Roger.
The fact that it took both Prime Garp and Roger to defeat him definitely would support that theory.What's funny is Xebec him self was actually implied to be above Primebeard by some slight margin, as he was Roger's greatest adversary or somn.
No, that was because he had a powerful crew too.The fact that it took both Prime Garp and Roger to defeat him definitely would support that theory.
Thanks for explaining, i learned something newturning the outside of your body to rubber so you can hit the inside is definitely dura neg
Google "Kaidou unmatched Vitality" on googleHow is his endurance better than whitebeard exactly?
There is 0 lore on strength of Roger. He's important cause of conquest, not strengthIt's not a fanboy statement it's literal one piece lore
ShikiWhat character was stated to be roger's equal outside of garp and whitebeard?
Alternatively: ttps://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tvbz81/every_single_hint_at_kaido_being_the_stongest/ ( I cut out the first letter because the post was a bit long )Google "Kaidou unmatched Vitality" on google
This Reddit post is mostly trying to prove Kaido was the strongest of the current characters and all of the points used are comparing Kaido to living characters.Alternatively: ttps://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tvbz81/every_single_hint_at_kaido_being_the_stongest/ ( I cut out the first letter because the post was a bit long )
And the Vivre Card does call his vitality unrivaled but that doesn't necessarily have to be interpreted as Whitebeard too. To be unrivaled is to have no competition and Kaido wouldn't have to compete against characters that no longer exist. It's not like the Vivre card said he had something like "unsurpassed vitality" meaning his vitality would be unequivocally above everyone else's alive or not. There's room for interpretation is my point.Google "Kaidou unmatched Vitality" on google
Yall the type to say "smartest man" to apply only before chapter 3And the Vivre Card does call his vitality unrivaled but that doesn't necessarily have to be interpreted as Whitebeard too. To be unrivaled is to have no competition and Kaido wouldn't have to compete against characters that no longer exist. It's not like the Vivre card said he had something like "unsurpassed vitality" meaning his vitality would be unequivocally above everyone else's alive or not. There's room for interpretation is my point.
Yall the type to say "smartest man" to apply only before chapter 3
I mean, to be real, why would statements like "unrivaled" apply to dead people?Yall the type to say "smartest man" to apply only before chapter 3
This isn't a statement in the manga referencing the currently alive characters, this is a statement referencing Kaidou's lifetime of combat, including when he was youngerI mean, to be real, why would statements like "unrivaled" apply to dead people?
Does Kaido have more Vitality then, say Xebec or Roger? We don't know, because "Unrivaled" is talking about LIVING characters, not characters 2 years'(or more) dead
After listing statistics that started when he was young, this isn't a one off statement about the current alive people, this is about his history as a pirate, which includes pre-prime beard, prime beard, and half dead beardFull Translation of largest paragraph in white text: 7 defeats, 18 captures, tortures that exceeded a 1000 times, 40, executions, and a suicidal jump from over 10 thousand meters. Due to his unmatched vitality no one could kill him... Kaido lost hope in this world. With the Ancient Weapons, the Smiles, and the One Piece, Kaido wants to destroy the World's order and in order to personally grant himself a person's perfection in the world of violence, which is death, Kaido continues his quest for the greatest war in the world.
Fr.Yall the type to say "smartest man" to apply only before chapter 3
That makes more sense then, thank yeThis isn't a statement in the manga referencing the currently alive characters, this is a statement referencing Kaidou's lifetime of combat, including when he was younger
After listing statistics that started when he was young, this isn't a one off statement about the current alive people, this is about his history as a pirate, which includes pre-prime beard, prime beard, and half dead beard
Alright let’s break out some stats between the two:
Endurance- Equal. Unless you’ve been reading two piece this entire time I want no disrespect on Luffy’s endurance. Whitebeard’s crazy not gonna lie but Luffy’s actually something else at times. This “muh endurance” argument ain’t holding up, especially to someone like Luffy, and even more so to the fact that this man’s can revive himself from the dead.
AP- Relative. Luffy in base was going blow for blow against hybrid Kaido. The guy with the saying given to him as “if it’s one on one, always bet on Kaido.” In gear 5 Luffy was literally playing jump rope with him. Absolutely rocked this man. And to top it all off, he can make his fist as big as a whole ass island.
Haki- Luffy. Luffy’s got superior all around haki. Whitebeard may have better acoc but Luffy literally has advanced future sigh. And Luffy’s own conquerors isn’t too far off + he can actively develop it as he fights. So he’s shlapping Primebeard’s haki.
Hax- Luffy. Dude can fly, he can reality warp, he’s a goddamn mythical zoan with regenerative properties, and he can turn the whole environment around him into rubber which is a hard counter to whitebeard’s quakes.
In conclusion- Primebeard ain’t Guraguraing outta this one chief. This bandwagon about him being essentially untouchable has gotta end.
Let's not forget that Kaidou thought of Oden as almost equal, who was inferior to Roger and Whitebeard by a lot.AP- Relative. Luffy in base was going blow for blow against hybrid Kaido. The guy with the saying given to him as “if it’s one on one, always bet on Kaido.” In gear 5 Luffy was literally playing jump rope with him. Absolutely rocked this man. And to top it all off, he can make his fist as big as a whole ass island.
A long time ago, he's gotten stronger since then.Let's not forget that Kaidou thought of Oden as almost equal, who was inferior to Roger and Whitebeard by a lot.
Luffy has good endurance but he hasn't shown the capability to fight a top tier for several days like how Whitebeard could fight Roger for 3 days. Also, sick, old, dying Whitebeard's endurance is still some of the best in the series with just his feats. I'd still give it to Whitebeard.Endurance- Equal. Unless you’ve been reading two piece this entire time I want no disrespect on Luffy’s endurance. Whitebeard’s crazy not gonna lie but Luffy’s actually something else at times. This “muh endurance” argument ain’t holding up, especially to someone like Luffy, and even more so to the fact that this man’s can revive himself from the dead.
Whitebeard still has the "strongest paramecia". We never really saw how devastating his Quake abilities are when he's using them on top of his Adv Conq. So while "relative" is fine, Whitebeard has the potential to have far stronger attacks than anything we saw in Marineford.AP- Relative. Luffy in base was going blow for blow against hybrid Kaido. The guy with the saying given to him as “if it’s one on one, always bet on Kaido.” In gear 5 Luffy was literally playing jump rope with him. Absolutely rocked this man. And to top it all off, he can make his fist as big as a whole ass island.
We have no idea how good Whitebeard's Arm or Obv is so this is fair.Haki- Luffy. Luffy’s got superior all around haki. Whitebeard may have better acoc but Luffy literally has advanced future sigh. And Luffy’s own conquerors isn’t too far off + he can actively develop it as he fights. So he’s shlapping Primebeard’s haki.
AgreedHax- Luffy. Dude can fly, he can reality warp, he’s a goddamn mythical zoan with regenerative properties, and he can turn the whole environment around him into rubber which is a hard counter to whitebeard’s quakes.
I still think Whitebeard would just outlast G5. We've seen Admirals and Yonko fight at full power for days with no implied breaks. Luffy's longest fights were his fights with Katakuri and Kaido, both times he had time to get away from the fight to recover. I just don't think Luffy has enough feats of fighting with someone on a similar, potentially higher level of power for days on end.In conclusion- Primebeard ain’t Guraguraing outta this one chief. This bandwagon about him being essentially untouchable has gotta end.
I mean the top 5 thing lmao.A long time ago, he's gotten stronger since then.
People bring this up all the timeLuffy has good endurance but he hasn't shown the capability to fight a top tier for several days like how Whitebeard could fight Roger for 3 days. Also, sick, old, dying Whitebeard's endurance is still some of the best in the series with just his feats. I'd still give it to Whitebeard.
I mean they were stated to be injuries so... moot point?fodder shit that seem like outliers.
What ever, my other points still stand.I mean they were stated to be injuries so... moot point?
BB was stronger it wasn't some long contest of endurance he got overwhelmed by BB's fruit from what we saw. That's like judging Luffy's endurance from getting knocked out in 2 minutes in his first fight with Kaido.Ace fought Jinbe for 5 days and got put on his ass against Blackbeard in probably 20 minutes
Shows how powerful those Gura-Gura Punches can be, doesn't it?Akainu fought Aokiji for 10 days and got laid out by a Sickbeard from like 2 shots
There were other factors here, Kaido holding up Onigashima and running the Wano Gauntlet while purposefully taking hits from the several people trying to jump him.Kaidou fought Big Mom for over a day
He didn't last 3 hours during the raid
it's not like the 3 days Primebeard and Roger fought was even their limits especially since like you said they were perfectly fine afterward. The number of wounds just shows that Whitebeard and Roger are relative enough in skill and power for it to be hard for one to injure the other in a 3-day long fight.As addendum to his post, can anyone, anyone at all, tell me how many hits Primebeard and Roger took during those days?
Cause y'all don't know. You just talk about the days they fought but, they were relatively fine afterwards it seems.
In fact even Akainu and Kuzan's fight was more impressive, because they were actually confirmed to have been ******* each other up and Akainu was given the choice to murder Kuzan right there.
Only excuse you can make is that Akainu and Kuzan were having a death match while Primebeard and Roger weren't but that doesn't have much basis anyways as Roger tells Garp that they straight up tried to kill each other and were on the verge of it a few times in the past, why would it be different with Primebeard?
But it means it's not a showcase of endurance at all, just stamina.it's not like the 3 days Primebeard and Roger fought was even their limits especially since like you said they were perfectly fine afterward. The number of wounds just shows that Whitebeard and Roger are relative enough in skill and power for it to be hard for one to injure the other in a 3-day long fight.