freddy fazbear vs walter white

[noninho]

letting him jump them easier.

considering freddy can almost-automatically appear when power's out, he knows about the limitation of energy the protag has
if he was really thinking about what would be easier, he would sit on the door until protag's energy was over.

Yes, his movement speed is too fast for cameras to pick it up, that doesn't mean the camera will completely fail to pick up glimpses of them. hell half the poses in fnaf 1 show that they are in a walking stature.

you gotta prove it. i can show a speed feat saying completely otherwise (foxy just wrecks that argument, again, at least in fnaf 1).

and lets say you do somehow get enough evidence to throw out this. this still leaves them with superhuman speeds as they can outspeed and overpower athletic adults like all of them can (even the security breach animatronics are capable of this, besides burntrap who is so heavily damaged it's a given he isn't as fast as he used to.)

let's say a teenager has the highest degree on Judo and the adult has the training for being a security guard
if the teenager wins against the guard on hand to hand combat (overpowering by definition, and completely possible), a teenager has superhuman strength? having the highest judo degree can possibly grant you superhuman strength?

which is why they hide from the camers...

i don't think they try to do so...because they're mostly (if not in all times) on a clear camera position and staring it.

the only reason they don't move in cameras is due to click team limitations, not that Scott didn't want to.

A game limitation, but you can't prove that they can actually do that speed demonstration. foxy argument once again

 

[Comiphorous]

considering freddy can almost-automatically appear when power's out, he knows about the limitation of energy the protag has
if he was really thinking about what would be easier, he would sit on the door until protag's energy was over.

That's literally what he did against the phone guy.

you gotta prove it. i can show a speed feat saying completely otherwise (foxy just wrecks that argument, again, at least in fnaf 1).

Foxy only ever does this in fnaf 1, and every other game foxy appears in he never pulls this off again, and does the usual as everyone else does.

let's say a teenager has the highest degree on Judo and the adult has the training for being a security guard
if the teenager wins against the guard on hand to hand combat (overpowering by definition, and completely possible), a teenager has superhuman strength? having the highest judo degree can possibly grant you superhuman strength?

No. when you're a 200-pound metal bear that can possibly near blitz (high emphasis on 'near') athletic humans gives you superhuman speeds.

i don't think they try to do so...because they're mostly (if not in all times) on a clear camera position and staring it.

Freddy 100% does (pretty sure the phone guy says something about it, but might be wrong about that) and springtrap also purposefully hides from plain view.

A game limitation, but you can't prove that they can actually do that speed demonstration. foxy argument once again

Foxy also does this only once, compared to everyone else who does this across the entire series.

 

[noninho]

I'm going off of profile, and that's what we consider valid in this thread. if you have a problem with that make a CRT.

so am i, i'm considering the video BigSmoke sent on this thread.

i mean, prior night guards never lasted beyond night 2 (i believe) so clearly theres something superhuman about the fnaf 1 protag, regardless if it's Michael or not.

does Phone guy say something like that? i don't remember...but i still don't think the protag is meant to have superhuman reaction speed, instead, that says to me once again that the animatronics are not that fast, which <foxy argument>

Still a football field in range on this explosive, and will still kill him. the explosives are basically a no-no and Walter knows that with his intelligence. it's not gonna be his starting move.

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It could be, considering he saw where Freddy's hiding and could do that ******* up the tree(s) with him, or doing so after going behind the car, giving a layer of protection if freddy goes straight for his ass (think i'm repeating this for like the 4th time)

a good starting move would be his gun actually, which can shoot freddy, and still damage him without getting his ass blown up by himself. (it also lets him do you're idea of hiding inside his car, even if freddy could easily open the door and rush him.)

good idea, but that way it starts the 3 scenarios i said on the post a little up here, giving easy kill, prep, or both

 

[noninho]

That's literally what he did against the phone guy.

i would like to hear to be sure of it, but from what i remember, phone guy was implied to be at home/safe place and freddy wrecked the door
(dunno if i'm correct, can't remember 100%)

Foxy only ever does this in fnaf 1, and every other game foxy appears in he never pulls this off again, and does the usual as everyone else does

but then it nullify the lore point you presented earlier, if on the other games he also knows that the camera exists, why isn't he "shy" again?
also, aren't we taking fnaf 1 freddy? so the other games having different animatronics in different conditions makes the comparison kinda hard if not impossible.

No. when you're a 200-pound metal bear that can possibly near blitz (high emphasis on 'near') athletic humans gives you superhuman speeds.

well speeds isn't what i'm talking about there (which i talked over like 6 times in other places/posts). talking about strength.

Freddy 100% does (pretty sure the phone guy says something about it, but might be wrong about that)

but he also appears staring at the camera like everyone else, wtf

springtrap also purposefully hides from plain view.

i despise fnaf 3 (and mentioned why comparison is hard if not impossible if we're taking 1), but from what i know/remember, you can see him too (doesn't he passes rather slowly in front of the office's window? i really think that's in the game)

Foxy also does this only once, compared to everyone else who does this across the entire series.

he's the only one at the fnaf 1 conditions that has a running animation too, so seems pretty consistant to me.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

I'm going off of profile, and that's what we consider valid in this thread.

except it’s outright wrong and i’m going to change it later today

if you have a problem with that make a CRT.

dont need to, theres already an accepted calc showing how big the explosion was

The protagonist in fnaf 1 is theorized to be Michael Afton, is it so hard to believe Michael has superhuman reactions, considering his father is superhuman in speeds?

his profile doesn’t say so. i thought you were going by what the profiles said, regardless of whether or not it made sense?

i mean, prior night guards never lasted beyond night 2 (i believe) so clearly theres something superhuman about the fnaf 1 protag, regardless if it's Michael or not.

ahahahaha
how do i even disprove this lol its so stupid
surviving fnaf isn’t a physical feat, it’s a combination of skill and luck

Still a football field in range on this explosive, and will still kill him.

calc says it’s like a few meters

the explosives are basically a no-no and Walter knows that with his intelligence. it's not gonna be his starting move.

he uses it in the series, why wouldn’t he use it here

a good starting move would be his gun actually, which can shoot freddy, and still damage him without getting his ass blown up by himself. (it also lets him do you're idea of hiding inside his car, even if freddy could easily open the door and rush him.)

type 2 makes pistols basically useless

That's literally what he did against the phone guy.

how the hell do you know that, we get practically no details on how phone guy died, all we know is that freddy and golden freddy were involved

Foxy only ever does this in fnaf 1, and every other game foxy appears in he never pulls this off again, and does the usual as everyone else does.

the og foxy’s only other appearance is in fnaf 2, where he’s a rusty heap of scrap metal who probably can’t run like he did in the first game

No. when you're a 200-pound metal bear that can possibly near blitz (high emphasis on 'near') athletic humans gives you superhuman speeds.

they don't blitz adults, they literally just jump at them and kill them. the player is cornered in a small office, so it's not like they can do much anyways. imagine if i jumped a guy who was already in a corner, beat him up, and then said that i blitzed him. except unlike me, freddy is a 600 pound animatronic, and only really needs one good hit to kill a guy before he can react. it's hardly a speed feat. also when is mike ever implied to be athletic, like at all

 

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so am i, i'm considering the video BigSmoke sent on this thread.

BigSmoke's video isn't the range specification on his profile, it's the rating on the profile

does Phone guy say something like that? i don't remember...but i still don't think the protag is meant to have superhuman reaction speed, instead, that says to me once again that the animatronics are not that fast, which <foxy argument>

its my bad, he says this on night 3, saying “Hello, hello! Hey, you’re doing great! Uh, most people don’t last this long! I mean, you know, th-they usually move on to other things by now... uhh, I’m not implying that they died. Tha-that-that’s not what I meant...

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It could be, considering he saw where Freddy's hiding and could do that ******* up the tree(s) with him, or doing so after going behind the car, giving a layer of protection if freddy goes straight for his ass (think i'm repeating this for like the 4th time)

Assuming BigSmoke's CRT goes through and the range gets fixed, the existence of a shit ton of trees kinda ***** up throwing it where he was hiding.

but he also appears staring at the camera like everyone else, wtf

He hides from them, 9/10 freddy is only ever seeable in camers through his eyes or when he could literally not hide like in the hallway.

i despise fnaf 3 (and mentioned why comparison is hard if not impossible if we're taking 1), but from what i know/remember, you can see him too (doesn't he passes rather slowly in front of the office's window? i really think that's in the game)

Springtrap sometimes hides from the camera, depends on the frame you pick. sometimes he's in plain view sometimes he's barely visible. depends on which cam you pick.

i would like to hear to be sure of it, but from what i remember, phone guy was implied to be at home/safe place and freddy wrecked the door
(dunno if i'm correct, can't remember 100%)

No he's implied to be dead in night 4, with GF's jumpscare playing right after he says 'oh no'

but then it nullify the lore point you presented earlier, if on the other games he also knows that the camera exists, why isn't he "shy" again?
also, aren't we taking fnaf 1 freddy? so the other games having different animatronics in different conditions makes the comparison kinda hard if not impossible.

Foxy in fnaf 1 and fnaf 2 are the same animatronic. and he still does the feat his fnaf 1 comrades do every night.

 

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except it’s outright wrong and i’m going to change it later today

Cool, well its not in there yet so im not going off of that yet.

dont need to, theres already an accepted calc showing how big the explosion was

Cool, get it on profile and we can use it.

his profile doesn’t say so. i thought you were going by what the profiles said, regardless of whether or not it made sense?

It's a possibility, Michael's profile points this out.

ahahahaha
how do i even disprove this lol its so stupid
surviving fnaf isn’t a physical feat, it’s a combination of skill and luck

Physical? when did i ever say he was phsycially superhuman? i said superhuman reactions. read the reply.

calc says it’s like a few meters

get it on profile.

he uses it in the series, why wouldn’t he use it here

because it kills him in this situation instantly.

type 2 makes pistols basically useless

incap exists.

how the hell do you know that, we get practically no details on how phone guy died, all we know is that freddy and golden freddy were involved

Listen to the call. you can hear them banging on his door until the power goes out.

the og foxy’s only other appearance is in fnaf 2, where he’s a rusty heap of scrap metal who probably can’t run like he did in the first game

Not sure why he cant, he's the most intact withered animatronic there with little to no damage to his endoskeleton.

they don't blitz adults, they literally just jump at them and kill them. the player is cornered in a small office, so it's not like they can do much anyways. imagine if i jumped a guy who was already in a corner, beat him up, and then said that i blitzed him. except unlike me, freddy is a 600 pound animatronic, and only really needs one good hit to kill a guy before he can react. it's hardly a speed feat. also when is mike ever implied to be athletic, like at all

yes they do. the Security breach animatronics literally casually outpace and give no time for an athletic human to get away, let alone do much against them, who had pleanty of space to go. William built most of the previous animatronics who were leagues more complex than anything in the series, so the others should be comparable to that.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Cool, well its not in there yet so im not going off of that yet.

yes it is

Cool, get it on profile and we can use it.

done

It's a possibility, Michael's profile points this out.

it doesn’t say he’s superhuman, which you are assuming here for no reason.

Physical? when did i ever say he was phsycially superhuman? i said superhuman reactions. read the reply.

reactions are a physical stat

get it on profile.

done

because it kills him in this situation instantly

it should’ve when he used it in the series as well. he only survived via plot armor, which i have a hard time believing he was aware of

incap exists.

ok then, explain to me how freddy would get incapped by a pistol.

Listen to the call. you can hear them banging on his door until the power goes out.

you can hear banging even after freddy starts playing the funny music box, as well as other animatronic noises. i’m pretty sure he was surrounded by multiple animatronics

Not sure why he cant, he's the most intact withered animatronic there with little to no damage to his endoskeleton.

he’s still broken and rusty. also in fnaf 1 it’s stated that the animatronics get kinda screwed up if they sit around for too long, which withered foxy has certainly been doing

yes they do. the Security breach animatronics literally casually outpace and give no time for an athletic human to get away

outrunning an athletic human is not a superhuman feat, it’s an athletic human feat. maybe peak human. and i wouldn’t call it “casually outpacing an athletic human” considering that gregory only has that speed because he can outrun the animatronics

William built most of the previous animatronics who were leagues more complex than anything in the series, so the others should be comparable to that.

you serious? the glamrock animatronics are way newer, way more advanced, and in way better condition.

 

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reactions are a physical stat

Reaction speed is almost completely mental, and a small component to physical fitness. no it's not.

ok then, explain to me how freddy would get incapped by a pistol.

Shooting him? its a gun what else do you want me to say? shoot the giant bear with comparable durability to the gun's AP until it cant move anymore. he's a got a car he can use.

you can hear banging even after freddy starts playing the funny music box, as well as other animatronic noises. i’m pretty sure he was surrounded by multiple animatronics

if he was surrounded what were they hitting, and why were they letting him record something? he clearly eventually lost power and got killed.

he’s still broken and rusty. also in fnaf 1 it’s stated that the animatronics get kinda screwed up if they sit around for too long, which withered foxy has certainly been doing

Screwed up hardware-wise, not physically-wise (spring trap is a great example of that, who can still be comparable to Freddy even as old as he is, and can still move around just fine)

outrunning an athletic human is not a superhuman feat, it’s an athletic human feat. maybe peak human. and i wouldn’t call it “casually outpacing an athletic human” considering that gregory only has that speed because he can outrun the animatronics

he cants outrun them at all. it's literally his reasoning for having athletic human movement speed because he can outpace them for a few seconds before they completely outpace him. and assuming you use this evidence, this would only apply to the glamrocks, as all the other animatronics pulled off the camera feat. it's a speed feat, like it or not. most cameras run at 24 frames per second and they can move fast enough to make cameras completely miss them.

you serious? the glamrock animatronics are way newer, way more advanced, and in way better condition.

Christ no they aren't. the glamrock Animatronics are in no way more advanced than ANY of William Afton's creations. he built a machine to manipulate soul energy and that same guy built hyper futuristic animatronics that are so advanced they can be used as a vessel for dead children.

the glam rock animatronics are more like rip-offs of his Funtime animatronics.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Reaction speed is almost completely mental, and a small component to physical fitness. no it's not.

“Reaction speed is defined as a single movement in a defined timeframe, which a character has been shown capable of. A series of movements in similar timeframes makes this combat speed, so this term should only be applied for a single, quick movement. Examples include ducking backwards to dodge bullets and diving away to dodge extremely fast vehicles.”

Shooting him? its a gun what else do you want me to say? shoot the giant bear with comparable durability to the gun's AP until it cant move anymore. he's a got a car he can use.

freddy’s type 2 prevents bullets from really doing anything to him. it’s not like he can bleed out.

if he was surrounded what were they hitting, and why were they letting him record something? he clearly eventually lost power and got killed.

his office was surrounded. they were hitting the doors.

Screwed up hardware-wise, not physically-wise

hardware problems cause physical problems. if their servos are locked up, it screws with their physical mechanics as well.

spring trap is a great example of that, who can still be comparable to Freddy even as old as he is, and can still move around just fine

springtrap is wearing a springlock suit, which has different technology

he cants outrun them at all. it's literally his reasoning for having athletic human movement speed because he can outpace them for a few seconds before they completely outpace him.

yeah, so gregory can outrun them for a bit before getting overtaken. that’s not getting “casually outpaced”. if gregory was getting blitzed, it wouldn’t be a speed feat for him.

it's a speed feat, like it or not. most cameras run at 24 frames per second and they can move fast enough to make cameras completely miss them.

we’ve been over this. you know that i disagree with the camera feat, so you’re probably not gonna win me over by bringing it up. you can go right ahead and say that your opinion is an objective fact, but that’s not a very convincing argument.

Christ no they aren't. the glamrock Animatronics are in no way more advanced than ANY of William Afton's creations.

henry was the one who built freddy

he built a machine to manipulate soul energy and that same guy built hyper futuristic animatronics that are so advanced they can be used as a vessel for dead children.

in fnaf, just about anything could be used as a vessel for a spirit. it has nothing to do with the animatronics themselves, it’s 100% because of remnant from the dead kids

the glam rock animatronics are more like rip-offs of his Funtime animatronics.

awesome!!

 

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“Reaction speed is defined as a single movement in a defined timeframe, which a character has been shown capable of. A series of movements in similar timeframes makes this combat speed, so this term should only be applied for a single, quick movement. Examples include ducking backwards to dodge bullets and diving away to dodge extremely fast vehicles.”

That... doesn't really say anything about them being physical? the two examples shown don't really show any physical above a regular human.

freddy’s type 2 prevents bullets from really doing anything to him. it’s not like he can bleed out.

If his endo skeleton gets ****** he's double ****** and incapped, shoot him enough times and his endo skeleton will eventually give in and collapse.

his office was surrounded. they were hitting the doors.

With the doors closed. waiting for the power to go out. which proves my point that Freddy will just sit there waiting for the power to go out.

hardware problems cause physical problems. if their servos are locked up, it screws with their physical mechanics as well.

clearly not when the other withered can very easily move around like they used to.

and that foxy can jump across the entire hall in front of the Fnaf 2 office to kill you.

springtrap is wearing a springlock suit, which has different technology

Springtrap is in animatronic 'mode' the entire time, him being a springlock suit doesn't matter when he's literally just any other animatronic but you can wear it.

yeah, so gregory can outrun them for a bit before getting overtaken. that’s not getting “casually outpaced”. if gregory was getting blitzed, it wouldn’t be a speed feat for him.

It's not a speed feat for him. he literally doesn't even downscale from the animatronics, they just use that as evidence that he can outpace the animatronics before they reach max speed (which, they actually do start out slower before hitting their maximum speed, which you basically cant outrun)

we’ve been over this. you know that i disagree with the camera feat, so you’re probably not gonna win me over by bringing it up. you can go right ahead and say that your opinion is an objective fact, but that’s not a very convincing argument.

Disagree =/= invalid. it's not even an outlier or anything, it happens in EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. it's like saying the dark souls Star level feat is invalid despite the fact it happens like 20 times through the entire series. just because you disagree with the only speed feat in the entire series, and the one that appears in every game doesn't make it invalid.

henry was the one who built freddy

Henry was never shown to do that. almost every animatronic in the series was built by Afton Robotics, aka, by William.

in fnaf, just about anything could be used as a vessel for a spirit. it has nothing to do with the animatronics themselves, it’s 100% because of remnant from the dead kids

If that were the case they could have possessed anything but the animatronics, but the only haunted shit that appears is from Freddy's.

 

[noninho]

BigSmoke's video isn't the range specification on his profile, it's the rating on the profile

what? i really could not get it. the video means about the rating? Yeah, ok, but in the same video we have proof on what range it went, anything else and the building being ok is PIS, which we said before as only the fact that they're still alive as PIS. Also, what proof do you have about the same rock doing that radius of explosion?

its my bad, he says this on night 3, saying “Hello, hello! Hey, you’re doing great! Uh, most people don’t last this long! I mean, you know, th-they usually move on to other things by now... uhh, I’m not implying that they died. Tha-that-that’s not what I meant...

hm, i guess that would be a pretty good argument for like, above average or peak human, then.

the existence of a shit ton of trees kinda ***** up throwing it where he was hiding.

what? how? The trees on the direction straight of Walter being destroyed (again, he's behind the car) would mean Freddy (if not incapacitated by the boom) would have a preeeeetty hard time sneaking up on him or going straight to him because of the trees and the damage he would be taking( ^^^), which would mean Walter throwing again, and that one i think is enough to get Freddy to that "is-only-a-head-now" state. Walter finding a way to destroy the reminiscent (dunno how to write that) seems pretty easy, which would get through type 1 imortality, so...win (getting on the state i mentioned before sounds to me like a victory, but dunno if the site rules would say so).

Springtrap sometimes hides from the camera, depends on the frame you pick. sometimes he's in plain view sometimes he's barely visible. depends on which cam you pick.

means he's playing with his "prey" (which is really in-character)..? what about the ones from 1, who you can (if not, almost) always see on the cams on the places they go? again, doesn't sound like faster then the camera could see

No he's implied to be dead in night 4, with GF's jumpscare playing right after he says 'oh no'

doesn't go against what i said, from what i recall, GF wrecked the door and killed him...GF is not Freddy.

Foxy in fnaf 1 and fnaf 2 are the same animatronic. and he still does the feat his fnaf 1 comrades do every night.

then all of them have that speed. Foxy wasn't by any means slow on (again) the only animated feat (and on fnaf1 state, which usually changes a lot from one game to another), would still be trouble for our megamind to deal with. Also, doesn't the camera bug and then they're gone when the fnaf 1 guys change places? where could it mean that they're too fast leaving only a trace?

 

[noninho]

surviving fnaf isn’t a physical feat, it’s a combination of skill and luck

considering none of them (or in other games that i know of) actually fought against an animatronic in hand-to-hand-combat (all kills i know of them were by surprising, don't recall someone being prepared to fight against any of them, 100% agreed

It's a possibility, Michael's profile points this out.

oh, so we're using theories?

Not sure why he cant, he's the most intact withered animatronic there with little to no damage to his endoskeleton

did you mean the closest of being intact? none of them were 100% well in 2. and all of them are comparable if we're going by what profile says, so why the other 3 are ****** and he can still run the same speed?

it doesn’t say he’s superhuman, which you are assuming here for no reason.

oh so i got rickroll'd by a theory status...nice

freddy’s type 2 prevents bullets from really doing anything to him. it’s not like he can bleed out.

i think he meant hitting his "joints"?

most cameras run at 24 frames per second and they can move fast enough to make cameras completely miss them.

prove it with animation. on the level of foxy's run, at least

in fnaf, just about anything could be used as a vessel for a spirit. it has nothing to do with the animatronics themselves, it’s 100% because of remnant from the dead kids

that means Walter can bypass his immortality (type 1) by throwing about 4 of those rocks in him (not at once). Freddy having nothing close to possess, means the kid goes to afterlife.

If his endo skeleton gets ****** he's double ****** and incapped, shoot him enough times and his endo skeleton will eventually give in and collapse.

it could **** heisenberg if isn't enough on this leg, by recognizing he's an adult before hiding, which you could argue would make his BL bypass "hiding first" and going straight to a unprepared Walter

waiting for the power to go out. which proves my point that Freddy will just sit there waiting for the power to go out.

was Freddy together with GF? then why he doesn't do it for the guard in fnaf 1?

just because you disagree with the only speed feat in the entire series, and the one that appears in every game doesn't make it invalid.

it's not an speed feat in 1. they can't be seen because the camera bugs. how do you prove me like "camera bugs because they're too fast"?

 

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considering none of them (or in other games that i know of) actually fought against an animatronic in hand-to-hand-combat (all kills i know of them were by surprising, don't recall someone being prepared to fight against any of them, 100% agreed

Reaction speed, read before you write.

oh, so we're using theories?

No im using the profile, which says it's likely he's the protagonist of some of the other games.

did you mean the closest of being intact? none of them were 100% well in 2. and all of them are comparable if we're going by what profile says, so why the other 3 are ****** and he can still run the same speed?

Yes. he's the least ******. and, they can run just fine despite their damage. thats just their Immortality type 2. and you mentioning how they can still run the same speed does make it questionable how long they can be off before hardware damage is caused, since they've assumably been off for a shit ton of time.

i think he meant hitting his "joints"?

Typically when you cant move you are inable to fight.

prove it with animation. on the level of foxy's run, at least

you want me to prove that cameras move at 24 FPS using an animation on par with a fnaf game...? and, if you asking proof that it completely misses them... just... play the game...? you never see them move between cameras... thats... proof it completely misses their movements?

that means Walter can bypass his immortality (type 1) by throwing about 4 of those rocks in him (not at once). Freddy having nothing close to possess, means the kid goes to afterlife.

not how the kid going to the afterlife thing works, but okay.

it could **** heisenberg if isn't enough on this leg, by recognizing he's an adult before hiding, which you could argue would make his BL bypass "hiding first" and going straight to a unprepared Walter

we've never really seen what they do when seeing an adult, we just know they get violent with them. we dont know if they just run at them and rip them apart or go to their usual tactics when walking around (which... kind of doesn't make sense?)

was Freddy together with GF? then why he doesn't do it for the guard in fnaf 1?

The game would be unplayable if Freddy just drained your power from sitting next to it the entire night. called game balancing.

it's not an speed feat in 1. they can't be seen because the camera bugs. how do you prove me like "camera bugs because they're too fast"?

And it just so happens it only bugs when they're moving? which, is present in all games including 2, which their stuff wasn't just taken out of a trash can and it still glitches when they move (albeit the glitch lasts for like half a second)

 

[Comiphorous]

what? i really could not get it. the video means about the rating? Yeah, ok, but in the same video we have proof on what range it went, anything else and the building being ok is PIS, which we said before as only the fact that they're still alive as PIS. Also, what proof do you have about the same rock doing that radius of explosion?

doesn't matter, thing was updated. try and keep up with the discussion, please.

hm, i guess that would be a pretty good argument for like, above average or peak human, then.

that he talks about how no nightguard lasts beyond night 2? thats just the animatronics being too much for nightguards, theres no speed feat in that statement of phoneguy.

what? how? The trees on the direction straight of Walter being destroyed (again, he's behind the car) would mean Freddy (if not incapacitated by the boom) would have a preeeeetty hard time sneaking up on him or going straight to him because of the trees and the damage he would be taking( ^^^), which would mean Walter throwing again, and that one i think is enough to get Freddy to that "is-only-a-head-now" state. Walter finding a way to destroy the reminiscent (dunno how to write that) seems pretty easy, which would get through type 1 imortality, so...win (getting on the state i mentioned before sounds to me like a victory, but dunno if the site rules would say so).

range updated, trees are gonna **** up him hitting freddy inside a forest. keep up with the discussion.

means he's playing with his "prey" (which is really in-character)..? what about the ones from 1, who you can (if not, almost) always see on the cams on the places they go? again, doesn't sound like faster then the camera could see

That is no way in any capacity in character for any version of William acts. not only is the only times we see him try to kill people incredibly swift, but he hides from cameras because he's the only animatronic in the series with genius intelligenence.

doesn't go against what i said, from what i recall, GF wrecked the door and killed him...GF is not Freddy.

there is no indication that any doors were damaged. also, GF doesn't even have the AP to do that, nor is it in character for him to bust down a giant metal door since he teleports in.

then all of them have that speed. Foxy wasn't by any means slow on (again) the only animated feat (and on fnaf1 state, which usually changes a lot from one game to another), would still be trouble for our megamind to deal with. Also, doesn't the camera bug and then they're gone when the fnaf 1 guys change places? where could it mean that they're too fast leaving only a trace?

The only animated feat that, and he doesn't even scale to it since his other comrades have the superior 'moving between cameras within seconds', which would include the dining hall to the middle of the hallway (which chica does, by starting near to one side of the dining hall all the way to near the window of your office)

 

[BigSmoke4269]

That... doesn't really say anything about them being physical? the two examples shown don't really show any physical above a regular human.

ducking backwards and diving away are both physical things

If his endo skeleton gets ****** he's double ****** and incapped, shoot him enough times and his endo skeleton will eventually give in and collapse.

i don’t think walt has that many bullets, he’d have to shoot him a lot

With the doors closed. waiting for the power to go out. which proves my point that Freddy will just sit there waiting for the power to go out.

except that isn’t what the animatronics do
also, during phone guy’s death, the animatronics are still banging on the door after freddy starts playing his music box. if the power had gone out, there wouldn’t be any doors to bang on, so it seems like he was playing the music box for a different reason. we also don’t hear the power go out during the call. also, phone guy wouldn’t be able to record the message if the power had gone out.

clearly not when the other withered can very easily move around like they used to.

not really. chica’s arms are seemingly locked in place, and her jaw is stuck open.

and that foxy can jump across the entire hall in front of the Fnaf 2 office to kill you.

Springtrap is in animatronic 'mode' the entire time, him being a springlock suit doesn't matter when he's literally just any other animatronic but you can wear it.

It's not a speed feat for him. he literally doesn't even downscale from the animatronics, they just use that as evidence that he can outpace the animatronics before they reach max speed (which, they actually do start out slower before hitting their maximum speed, which you basically cant outrun)

Disagree =/= invalid. it's not even an outlier or anything, it happens in EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. it's like saying the dark souls Star level feat is invalid despite the fact it happens like 20 times through the entire series. just because you disagree with the only speed feat in the entire series, and the one that appears in every game doesn't make it invalid.

Henry was never shown to do that. almost every animatronic in the series was built by Afton Robotics, aka, by William.

If that were the case they could have possessed anything but the animatronics, but the only haunted shit that appears is from Freddy's.

i had a response for all of this before but my phone died before it could save and i don’t feel like typing it again

 

[BigSmoke4269]

freddy fazbears pizza is a pretty old and shady location which has paranormal entities messing with the technology, and doesn’t exactly have the biggest budget in the world. surprisingly the child murders sort of kill the magic for some people. so i highly doubt their security cameras are top-notch, especially since the spirits of the dead children seem to love messing with the place’s visuals.

 

[GoCommitDi]

"Jesse, we need to cook pizzas."

 

[Comiphorous]

ducking backwards and diving away are both physical things

thats completely seperate to you reacting to something. you can react to something and simply not move.

i don’t think walt has that many bullets, he’d have to shoot him a lot

How many bullets does he typically have in season 1? does he ever run out of ammo, and if so how fast?

except that isn’t what the animatronics do
also, during phone guy’s death, the animatronics are still banging on the door after freddy starts playing his music box. if the power had gone out, there wouldn’t be any doors to bang on, so it seems like he was playing the music box for a different reason. we also don’t hear the power go out during the call. also, phone guy wouldn’t be able to record the message if the power had gone out.

You say that isn't what the animatronics do and then you completely contradict yourself by talking how they sat next to the doors until he died, whether the power went out is iffy, but freddy basically never plays Theodore March unless the power goes out, but the call lacks the loud no power sound queue. regardless, it's apparent they sat there and banged on his door until either;

A. golden teleported in and killed him

B. power went out, but the call didn't have the power outage sound in it, and freddy kills them (which by gameplay terms makes more sense)

not really. chica’s arms are seemingly locked in place, and her jaw is stuck open.

She's still able to crawl through vents and perfectly able to walk through the pizzeria despite being deactivated for who knows how long. they should have hardware damage as the phone guy said but they have no issues running around. (also, her jaw is not stuck open, its just 'stretched' upwards, her jumpscare shows her opening starting closed and then opening it, but that's not rlly relevant)

i had a response for all of this before but my phone died before it could save and i don’t feel like typing it again

Feels bad man.

freddy fazbears pizza is a pretty old and shady location which has paranormal entities messing with the technology, and doesn’t exactly have the biggest budget in the world. surprisingly the child murders sort of kill the magic for some people. so i highly doubt their security cameras are top-notch, especially since the spirits of the dead children seem to love messing with the place’s visuals.

basically any camera at the very least records at 24 frames per second, so even if they just bought some shitty camera of ebay it should be able to record someone walking down the hall.

the spirits don't really **** with the technology much until fnaf 3, where they make you have to do side tasks so the place doesn't burn down. the spirits are more notable on having illusions happen around them.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

thats completely seperate to you reacting to something. you can react to something and simply not move.

i believe you're confusing reaction speed with perception speed

How many bullets does he typically have in season 1? does he ever run out of ammo, and if so how fast?

he doesn't even shoot a gun in season 1 lol, all he does is aim it at what he believes to be the police, and attempt to kill himself

You say that isn't what the animatronics do and then you completely contradict yourself by talking how they sat next to the doors until he died, whether the power went out is iffy, but freddy basically never plays Theodore March unless the power goes out, but the call lacks the loud no power sound queue. regardless, it's apparent they sat there and banged on his door

this wasn't some sort of strategic maneuver. they weren't waiting for the power to go out, they were literally just trying to get into the office

A. golden teleported in and killed him

makes the most sense, given that we hear golden freddy's jumpscare sound effect at the very end

B. power went out, but the call didn't have the power outage sound in it, and freddy kills them (which by gameplay terms makes more sense)

if the power went out, the phone would have stopped working (which clearly didn't happen since the phone guy keeps talking through freddy's music box), the doors would have opened (which clearly didn't happen considering that foxy can still be heard pounding on the door after freddy plays the funny jingle), and the power outage would have been audible (which clearly didn't happen because we don't hear it, even though we can hear bonnie and chica's much quieter breathing sounds).

She's still able to crawl through vents and perfectly able to walk through the pizzeria despite being deactivated for who knows how long. they should have hardware damage as the phone guy said but they have no issues running around.

so, uh, you're saying that they're as fast as their non-damaged counterparts because they're still capable of moving? i'm not trying to say they're immobile, i'm trying to say they're slower.

basically any camera at the very least records at 24 frames per second, so even if they just bought some shitty camera of ebay it should be able to record someone walking down the hall.

fnaf takes place in the 80s, where security cameras would have been even shittier than they are today, and on top of that, the place is haunted by vengeful spirits who can **** with the cameras and whose primary goal is to kill the guy who's checking the cameras.

the spirits don't really **** with the technology much until fnaf 3, where they make you have to do side tasks so the place doesn't burn down. the spirits are more notable on having illusions happen around them.

how does this disprove my point? you literally just explained that they are in fact capable of screwing with tech, and that they create illusions. does that not explain how the security cameras appear to be frozen? hell, as you said, some of the poses show them mid-walk cycle. do you really think they just stand around like that? the footage is clearly frozen, either because scott couldn't be bothered to fully animate the characters, or because of a problem with the cameras. or both.

 

[Comiphorous]

i believe you're confusing reaction speed with perception speed

No. if you react to something, and you choose not to dodge, you can still react to it and potentially dodge it if you so please.

just because someone doesn't move doesn't mean they dont have the reaction speeds to do such.

he doesn't even shoot a gun in season 1 lol, all he does is aim it at what he believes to be the police, and attempt to kill himself

Then it's safe to assume it's at least got a full magazine in it, which if he's got a good shot could take freddy's leg out or something

they were literally just trying to get into the office

... by waiting at the doors until they open...

makes the most sense, given that we hear golden freddy's jumpscare sound effect at the very end

fair.

if the power went out, the phone would have stopped working (which clearly didn't happen since the phone guy keeps talking through freddy's music box), the doors would have opened (which clearly didn't happen considering that foxy can still be heard pounding on the door after freddy plays the funny jingle), and the power outage would have been audible (which clearly didn't happen because we don't hear it, even though we can hear bonnie and chica's much quieter breathing sounds).

we dont know what happened that night, and clearly the animatronics were being wonky since they were doing things they've never shown to do (freddy playing the theodore march while there was supposedly still power for whatever reason). i believe it's reasonable they sat their ass down in front of the door to wait it out.

so, uh, you're saying that they're as fast as their non-damaged counterparts because they're still capable of moving? i'm not trying to say they're immobile, i'm trying to say they're slower.

no. I'm saying they're just as fast as their undamaged counterparts since they haven't shown to be any slower (compare this to spring trap in fnaf 3 and security breach, where he is obviously FAR slower and weaker)

fnaf takes place in the 80s, where security cameras would have been even shittier than they are today, and on top of that, the place is haunted by vengeful spirits who can **** with the cameras and whose primary goal is to kill the guy who's checking the cameras.

80s where William (and fazbear entertainment at times) is pumping out animatronics that far exceed that time period, and soul manipulating machines.

the fact its the 80s doesn't really mean anything in the scenario where technology is far more advanced in that time period.

how does this disprove my point? you literally just explained that they are in fact capable of screwing with tech, and that they create illusions. does that not explain how the security cameras appear to be frozen? hell, as you said, some of the poses show them mid-walk cycle. do you really think they just stand around like that? the footage is clearly frozen, either because scott couldn't be bothered to fully animate the characters, or because of a problem with the cameras. or both.

Because if they dont usually **** with the technology until 2023 (when fnaf 3 takes place iirc) they aren't going to. and, their illusions do not seem to physically effect the world, and are a more mental thing than anything.

their illusions are not going to freeze every animatronic in place because the best they've done is make mike hallucinate and see words on the walls.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

No. if you react to something, and you choose not to dodge, you can still react to it and potentially dodge it if you so please.

just because someone doesn't move doesn't mean they dont have the reaction speeds to do such.

how does this apply here? mike doesn’t react to the animatronics at superhuman speeds, nor does he simply choose not to.

Then it's safe to assume it's at least got a full magazine in it, which if he's got a good shot could take freddy's leg out or something

i don’t think the gun can even be included in his optional equipment anyways, he literally holds it once and then has it dissolved in a bathtub

... by waiting at the doors until they open...

no. if they were just trying to wait phone guy out, they wouldn’t be banging on the doors. they’re trying to get in through brute force, which makes sense because they’re angry children.

we dont know what happened that night, and clearly the animatronics were being wonky since they were doing things they've never shown to do (freddy playing the theodore march while there was supposedly still power for whatever reason). i believe it's reasonable they sat their ass down in front of the door to wait it out.

sure, maybe they were acting out of character there. but what bearing does this have on the matchup? freddy is much more likely to employ his consistent strategy than use an incredibly vague and out-of-character strategy which he might have used once offscreen.

no. I'm saying they're just as fast as their undamaged counterparts since they haven't shown to be any slower (compare this to spring trap in fnaf 3 and security breach, where he is obviously FAR slower and weaker)

burntrap is fully animated, meaning we get to see a lot more detail in his movements. we only see the withered animatronics move around through a bunch of still images, so it’s a lot harder to tell. however, since they’re still in really bad shape, i think it’s pretty safe to assume that they’re inferior to their classic counterparts.

80s where William (and fazbear entertainment at times) is pumping out animatronics that far exceed that time period, and soul manipulating machines.

william was fired and banned from freddy’s because henry found out about his child murder machines and was like “dude wtf”
so william didn’t have input on the company at that point

Because if they dont usually **** with the technology until 2023 (when fnaf 3 takes place iirc) they aren't going to.

why not? it’s within their capabilities, it explains an inconsistency, and it makes complete sense for them to do it.

and, their illusions do not seem to physically effect the world

except for when they do

their illusions are not going to freeze every animatronic in place

that’s not what i’m saying they did, i’m saying they ****** with the cameras to make them lag out. again, its pretty clear that the footage is frozen

because the best they've done is make mike hallucinate and see words on the walls.

and burn down fazbear frights…

 

[Comiphorous]

how does this apply here? mike doesn’t react to the animatronics at superhuman speeds, nor does he simply choose not to.

if you react to a superhuman moving object to close the door in it's face before it enters the room, that's superhuman reaction speeds.

i don’t think the gun can even be included in his optional equipment anyways, he literally holds it once and then has it dissolved in a bathtub

if William can have the car he used literally once to drive home I think Walter can have his gun he used to uh... hold I guess idk-

no. if they were just trying to wait phone guy out, they wouldn’t be banging on the doors. they’re trying to get in through brute force, which makes sense because they’re angry children.

foxy banging on the door takes power away from the office (for whatever reason?) them banging on the door makes sense in the context that it somehow drains power from doing that.

william was fired and banned from freddy’s because henry found out about his child murder machines and was like “dude wtf”
so william didn’t have input on the company at that point

That doesn't even make sense timeline-wise. he couldn't have been kicked out until the fnaf 2 location (which is well after fredbears and fnaf 1's location), as that's when they implemented the criminal database to keep him the **** outta that place. and even then he still had grips on the company since Fazbear entertainment wasn't even trying to hide they were stealing William's technology to make their own animatronics.

that leaves like, 2-3 locations of him working as the head of it, and building animatronics for it. it's clear William isn't just some dude who was ahead of his time to a certain degree. his animatronics are clearly advanced, but not so advanced to the point it breaks the time period they're in.

of course, he hid his most complicated stuff inside a bunker, but still.

why not? it’s within their capabilities, it explains an inconsistency, and it makes complete sense for them to do it.

because the only time they ****** with the building was once in fnaf 3, and any other time they never did so.

except for when they do

it almost never does, and are 99% hallucinations.

that’s not what i’m saying they did, i’m saying they ****** with the cameras to make them lag out. again, its pretty clear that the footage is froze.

if it were frozen you would be able to hear them walking around, which you can, but only when they're walking between cams, where they quickly switch between two cams within seconds, regardless where they are.

and burn down fazbear frights…

Fazbear's Fright burned down due to faulty wiring, not ghosts making illusions.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

if you react to a superhuman moving object to close the door in it's face before it enters the room, that's superhuman reaction speeds.

they don’t move though, they just stand outside the door for a couple seconds for…some reason

if William can have the car he used literally once to drive home I think Walter can have his gun he used to uh... hold I guess idk-

william’s car belongs to him, and he presumably uses it regularly. walt literally just picked the gun up from a dead criminal, held it up, tried to shoot himself, failed, and then had jesse dissolve it.

foxy banging on the door takes power away from the office (for whatever reason?) them banging on the door makes sense in the context that it somehow drains power from doing that.

how would they know that it drains your power?

That doesn't even make sense timeline-wise. he couldn't have been kicked out until the fnaf 2 location (which is well after fredbears and fnaf 1's location)

fnaf 2 takes place before fnaf 1

because the only time they ****** with the building was once in fnaf 3, and any other time they never did so.

so since they don’t use the power regularly, they therefore can’t use it? i’m not sure what your point is
even if they aren’t actually messing with the tech, it could also be a visual hallucination

it almost never does, and are 99% hallucinations.

keyword being almost

if it were frozen you would be able to hear them walking around, which you can, but only when they're walking between cams, where they quickly switch between two cams within seconds, regardless where they are.

okay, so then it is frozen.

Fazbear's Fright burned down due to faulty wiring, not ghosts making illusions.

didnt you say the spirits will end up causing the place to burn down if you don’t perform certain tasks

 

[Comiphorous]

they don’t move though, they just stand outside the door for a couple seconds for…some reason

im pretty sure thats game play mechanics more than anything really.

i think we can both agree if it was outside of game mechanics, they would just walk in-

william’s car belongs to him, and he presumably uses it regularly. walt literally just picked the gun up from a dead criminal, held it up, tried to shoot himself, failed, and then had jesse dissolve it.

I mean, he used it once to drive home. not like he used it to ram a poor fella.

he just kind of drove home. once.

how would they know that it drains your power?

I'm sure they noticed the power goes out faster when they hit the door, they've been there long enough I would assume.

fnaf 2 takes place before fnaf 1

i sometimes forget that.

anyways, still doesn't make timeline sense since he'd still be working at like, a good chunk of the locations before fnaf 1 (where its assumed that's where he kills his first set of children) (also speculated he murdered kids in the fnaf 2 location, but not 100% sure on that one)

so since they don’t use the power regularly, they therefore can’t use it? i’m not sure what your point is
even if they aren’t actually messing with the tech, it could also be a visual hallucination

It's not in character for them to that. yes.

keyword being almost

can you name at least one time they used it that wasn't just hallucinations?

okay, so then it is frozen.

cameras rotate side to side, the frame doesn't shift with the camera. if it were frozen the frame would turn with the camera going side to side.

that means it's live footage, and not frozen.

didnt you say the spirits will end up causing the place to burn down if you don’t perform certain tasks

No. they can turn off the ventilation, turn off the camera feed, and the audio device.

the faulty wiring was completely separate from what they screwed with

 

[Dragonite007]

I'm voting in freddy

 

[BigSmoke4269]

im pretty sure thats game play mechanics more than anything really.

i think we can both agree if it was outside of game mechanics, they would just walk in-

yeah but that doesn’t mean that they are actually moving, it’s just something stupid that happens as a result of game mechanics

I mean, he used it once to drive home. not like he used it to ram a poor fella.

he just kind of drove home. once.

he used it to pull up and murder some kid iirc
i’m not sure if it’s suitable, but i know for sure that walt’s gun in s1 is not.

I'm sure they noticed the power goes out faster when they hit the door, they've been there long enough I would assume.

it is probably game mechanics anyways, considering that it literally makes no sense and only serves to make the game more challenging

anyways, still doesn't make timeline sense since he'd still be working at like, a good chunk of the locations before fnaf 1 (where its assumed that's where he kills his first set of children) (also speculated he murdered kids in the fnaf 2 location, but not 100% sure on that one)

freddy’s came after fredbear’s and circus baby’s, and william was fired when henry found out about circus baby’s. so he would’ve been fired before the original fnaf location

It's not in character for them to that. yes.

but they literally did it

can you name at least one time they used it that wasn't just hallucinations?

i don’t need to. you already did it for me.
they can turn off the ventilation, turn off the camera feed, and the audio device.

cameras rotate side to side, the frame doesn't shift with the camera. if it were frozen the frame would turn with the camera going side to side.

true
so back to the development limitations argument i guess

I'm voting in freddy

you have to say why

 

[Comiphorous]

freddy’s came after fredbear’s and circus baby’s, and william was fired when henry found out about circus baby’s. so he would’ve been fired before the original fnaf location

I never heard he was fired due to circus baby's, always thought that was set up and no one really talked about it considering it's uh...

record, to say the least.

but they literally did it

once. in one game. it's more in character for William to use his technology manipulation than it is for the child souls to.

i don’t need to. you already did it for me.
they can turn off the ventilation, turn off the camera feed, and the audio device.

(note that phantoms are also hallucinations, and possibly caused by William, not the child souls, so its entirely possible the child souls cant do this entirely)

true
so back to the development limitations argument i guess

honestly, i bet someone could find a better speed feat for the fnaf verse than just 'moves between cameras rlly fast lol'

 

[BigSmoke4269]

I never heard he was fired due to circus baby's, always thought that was set up and no one really talked about it considering it's uh...

record, to say the least.

iirc when elizabeth died henry found out about williams funny murder machines and cut ties with him

honestly, i bet someone could find a better speed feat for the fnaf verse than just 'moves between cameras rlly fast lol'

we can calc foxy running down the hall or jumping into the office (which should scale to the other animatronics), or the puppet moving from the prize corner to the office (which should scale to no one other than the puppet).

 

[Comiphorous]

we can calc foxy running down the hall or jumping into the office (which should scale to the other animatronics), or the puppet moving from the prize corner to the office (which should scale to no one other than the puppet).

i feel like the running down the hall is just gonna be a flat athletic human feat, foxy jumping across an entire hallway sounds

1. more impressive

2. would actually scale to everyone considering he's a withered

 

[BigSmoke4269]

he doesn't jump across the entire hallway, it seems like he jumps from the door to the player. all of the feats should be calcable though

 

[Comiphorous]

he doesn't jump across the entire hallway, it seems like he jumps from the door to the player. all of the feats should be calcable though

he's definitely not at the doorway, he gets at most halfway through the hallway before jumping, as funtime freddy gets right up into the doorframe, and foxy is far far smaller inframe than toy freddy is.

he's clearly far far back.

 

[Dragonite007]

How about springtrap moving behind The Office window?

 

[BigSmoke4269]

you got a clip?

 

[BigSmoke4269]

he's definitely not at the doorway, he gets at most halfway through the hallway before jumping, as funtime freddy gets right up into the doorframe, and foxy is far far smaller inframe than toy freddy is.

he's clearly far far back.

hmm...do you have fnaf 2? if so, can you start a custom night with foxy as the only animatronic? then, record footage of yourself shining a light on foxy in the hallway right before he jumpscares you. that way we can see where he is when the jumpscare is initiated.

if you don't have it then i guess i'll have to go and get someone else to do it lol

 

[Comiphorous]

hmm...do you have fnaf 2? if so, can you start a custom night with foxy as the only animatronic? then, record footage of yourself shining a light on foxy in the hallway right before he jumpscares you. that way we can see where he is when the jumpscare is initiated.

if you don't have it then i guess i'll have to go and get someone else to do it lol

there's where foxy is in the hall.

for reference, here's him behind withered bonnie, who is very well right behind the door frame

 

[BigSmoke4269]

i've seen that, but i'm not sure whether or not he can move any closer before jumpscaring the player.

 

[Comiphorous]

i've seen that, but i'm not sure whether or not he can move any closer before jumpscaring the player.

no, thats his final phase you see him in before he jumps you. you never see him any closer.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

is that proven anywhere?

 

[Dragonite007]

you got a clip?

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