FOX Fantastic Four Downgrade

[Qawsedf234]

For the topic at hand I agree with the High 6-A downgrade. I would guess either 9-A or High end 9-B would be their most accurate tier. Silver Surfer also probably needs to be looked at to see if his Tier 5 feat is legit.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I believe it was previously found that Thing had a couple of 9-A feats, while Human Torch's supernova would be over 8-C in terms of heat energy (I believe we still have not separated heat from conventional physical stats yet on our profiles?)

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you both for helping out. Do we have any calculations available for the character feats?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Raising the human body to the temperature of the Sun is calculated on the Reference to Common Feats page. Although according to this Chris Evans was 77 kg before buffing up for Captain America, I'll assume Human Torch weighs that too. Plus Human Torch didn't start off from absolute zero but from human body temperature.

3470*77*(5773.2-310) = 1.459712408e9 Joules, 0.345 tons, Building level

4000 K was what he actually reached on screen in the experiment scene without being a suicidal move. So for his base AP I guess

3470*77*(4000-310) = 9.859311e8 Joules, 0.236 tons, Small Building level+

 

[chosen]

Knew it high 6a la thing was sus

 

[Armorchompy]

Raising the human body to the temperature of the Sun is calculated on the Reference to Common Feats page. Although according to this Chris Evans was 77 kg before buffing up for Captain America, I'll assume Human Torch weighs that too. Plus Human Torch didn't start off from absolute zero but from human body temperature.

3470*77*(5773.2-310) = 1.459712408e9 Joules, 0.345 tons, Building level

4000 K was what he actually reached on screen in the experiment scene without being a suicidal move. So for his base AP I guess

3470*77*(4000-310) = 9.859311e8 Joules, 0.236 tons, Small Building level+

Being able to raise your entire temperature to a certain level doesn't mean your attacks have the same level of heat put into them, stuff like the distance they need to cross and the size of the blast being much smaller than Torch himself would lower it.

 

[KLOL506]

Being able to raise your entire temperature to a certain level doesn't mean your attacks have the same level of heat put into them, stuff like the distance they need to cross and the size of the blast being much smaller than Torch himself would lower it.

Prolly put it as an ultimate attack. It's not something his normal stats would scale to.

 

[RanaProGamer]

For the topic at hand I agree with the High 6-A downgrade. I would guess either 9-A or High end 9-B would be their most accurate tier. Silver Surfer also probably needs to be looked at to see if his Tier 5 feat is legit.

Honestly, there really wasn't anyone who scaled to Prime Surfer, him on his board being 5-B has no anti-feats. Or how no one individually scaled to Doom with Surfer's powers, and Johnny needed 4 different powers to beat him.

 

[Qawsedf234]

him on his board being 5-B has no anti-feats.

I wasn't talking about it being an outlier, I was more talking about if it was done in one attack/action or not.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Prolly put it as an ultimate attack. It's not something his normal stats would scale to.

They currently scale to Doom tanking it though

 

[KLOL506]

They currently scale to Doom tanking it though

Do they now?

 

[chosen]

I wasn't talking about it being an outlier, I was more talking about if it was done in one attack/action or not.

It was one attack yeah 3:59

 

[Antvasima]

Is somebody willing to post useful relevant calculations in blog posts in our wiki?

 

[Qawsedf234]

It was one attack yeah

I was talking about the core tunneling thing, not him destroying fake Galactus.

 

[chosen]

I was talking about the core tunneling thing, not him destroying fake Galactus.

Ah alright

 

[chosen]

Silver Surfer (Fox) puts holes in the Earth for Galactus

vsbattles.fandom.com

If you talk about this looks like unkown time frame

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

bump I guess

 

[RanaProGamer]

bump I guess

I think we can proceed if some of the feats get calced first.

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody remind me what we currently need to do here please?

 

[RanaProGamer]

Can somebody remind me what we currently need to do here please?

We just need calcs for these feats.

I guess some stuff that looks notable to me would be:

• Sue contained a bunch of car explosions. (she gets worn out from this so it's her limit probably)
• Ben and Reed fine after getting hit with a big concrete piece and smashed into a wall.
• Ben pulls a hanging firetruck back onto a bridge. (another thing that left the him tired, probably not something he can do a lot)
• Ben koolaid mans a wall. (he does this a lot)
• Ben crumples Johnny's car like a paper ball.
• Ben shouldertackles a speeding truck and stops it. No damage.
• this whole sequence with Ben and Doctor Doom.
• this one with them two also. No damage to Doom.
• Doom blows up a car.
• Doom's bulletproof.

Besides the feats above, based on References to Common Feats and Lightning Feats, we can settle for 8-C. But the calcs would give us consistency.

 

[Antvasima]

@Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @KieranH10 @Psychomaster35

Would any of you be willing to help out by calculating the most relevant of the following feats please?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/fox-fantastic-four-downgrade.117658/post-4576406

 

[Lonkitt]

For anyone still interested, some calcs have been and are still being calc'd here. I've been going over a ton of missing abilities too. I've even been digging into the novelizations for additional stuff

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you very much for helping out. Please keep us updated here.

 

[Lonkitt]

Thank you very much for helping out. Please keep us updated here.

No problem. As for the update, here's a new thread I made to organize the proposals

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will check.

 

[Antvasima]

Should I close this thread, or is there anything left to do here?