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Lightning's 8-C.
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FOX Fantastic Four Downgrade
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That kinda seems like a stretch then, so far everybody's said Ben's feats are either 9-B or 9-A and Doom isn't much stronger than Ben if he's stronger at all. I sort of wanna wait for calcs though. if we have numbers then it'll be more obvious what's consistent and what isn't.
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bump
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Would Human Torch being as hot as the Sun as 8-C work as a rating?
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It should also be noted that Johnny with the powers of the 4 did nothing to Surfer Doom. He got hits in and separated him from his board but that was about it. Had Doom hit Johnny with an energy blast (or knew how to use the powers completely), Johnny would be particles. I'd dare say he could've won that fight even without the board. I also believe everyone besides the thing can be killed with regular guns and other weapons.
Also supernova is a suicide attack basically so I could see it being used, iirc Johnny only approached supernova.
Also supernova is a suicide attack basically so I could see it being used, iirc Johnny only approached supernova.
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depends on if it's still an outlier or not, like I said I don't know because we don't have calcs for anything and people are saying all the other feats aren't that high.
Reed probably can't, his body isn't normal anymore and it takes damage it shouldn't based on being stretchy and rubbery and all that. Idk about the rest. Johnny took a punch from Ben that sent him flying but Reed was between them and Ben didn't seem like he was hitting his absolute hardest. Sue is almost featless for durability.
Doom on the board stomps pretty much everyone other than Surfer himself and Galactus yeah, and he also shouldn't even scale to Surfer's full power now that I think of it. he barely knew how to channel the board's powers and he has way lower feats than Surfer does on the board.
I guess that makes sense, but the thing about using the supernova is that it messes with scaling, Doom walks right through it without a problem and Sue somehow contains it. maybe put something on the profile saying that he probably didn't get all the way to supernova heat at the end of the first movie because approaching actual Sun temperature would kill him?
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Doom's thing though is absorbing energy passively. Surfer should've reduced him to particles but instead he converted his attack into energy and healed. Supernova didn't do anything to Doom likely for this same reason, even though his body was turned into molten metal, they pretty much had to seal him to win. Doom at least knew how to do Surfer's basic energy blast so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Also yeah Reed has his rubber-like body which helps piercing durability, but concussive force such as from a rocket or grenade I don't see him surviving. Sue has her forcefields which takes her own strength to fortify but without them she's likely regular human, or above that because comics.
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Being rubbery would totally defend you from an explosion. Those usually kill by destroying your organs with the shockwave iirc, but it's much harder to destroy something rubbery and flexible.
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There has to be a limit. Besides supporting the london eye through a series of contortions, he's almost featless.
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you could give him something like "Small Building level when using his powers" for durability.
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Considering Thing has casual 9-A feats I think 8-C is fair
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would the heat really scale to conventional durability tho
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There is. I said in the post I linked in the OP that he got knocked out falling off a skyscraper. Johnny with Reed's powers gets hurt falling off the London Eye too. big impacts to his whole body seem to be too much for his elastic body to take without him getting hurt.
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References for Common Feats
Throughout fiction and real life, there have been numerous feats demonstrating a certain character's or object's destructive power. This page's purpose is to consolidate calculations for those feats for better convenience in determining an object's or character's Attack Potency or Durability...
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This can help.
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High falls cap at 9-B
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Not for the thing, he's like over a ton and a half yet has the surface area of a human, that'd probably get way higher.
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I think they're talking about Reed's limit not Ben's. someone can probably still calc him falling and get a result we can actually use.
Seems like that's what's consistent for his durability then. Reed gets hurt and even knocked out by high falls but his elastic body was fine from the crater feat that armorchompy said was high into 9-B.
Idk his strength though. His best strength feat that doesn't involve wrapping around something a lot is crumpling and throwing a postbox. he barely even moves Doom by doing that.
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yeah i noticed afterwards so i feel dumb lol
If it can't be calced we can at least eyeball the postbox thing as 9-C ig
If it can't be calced we can at least eyeball the postbox thing as 9-C ig
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Until the heat revisions are finally agreed upon, yes.
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... eh fair enough
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Do you think the OP has the staff support to apply?
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Nobody ever calced any of the feats, so there's nothing to apply yet...
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Well, did you make any requests?
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Calculation Requests Thread (New forum)
This is the official thread for requesting calcs to be done by the members of the Calc Group and other senior editors. However, this help is entirely optional, and the people who do the requesting cannot expect that anybody will somehow be automatically interested in doing the requested calcs...
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Would using Human Torch's supernova being at least 8-C work?
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Calcs that could make the thing and those who scale casually 9-A, and if heat revisions go through, supernova could increase them into 8-C, and i think human torch is getting a speed downgraded
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Assuming there's a universal energy source at play and there's no contradiction between the character's punches being of a different power level than his fire attacks AKA as long as the story or the verse itself doesn't make that distinction, yeah, it would scale to conventional dura. The revisions will officially separate force and heat feats while still keeping heat feats as AP assuming the story actually confirms heat feats to be different from physical punching and kicking and whatnot but the existence of a universal energy source would still be enough evidence to make heat attacks scale to conventional dura (Not that tanking normal campfires actually wields anything above door-busting levels of energy but still).
This is also assuming that the heat is just a mere normal fire feat melting stuff and that it doesn't actually involve physical destruction, if there's physical destruction (Like say, a fireball exploding/impacting the ground like a meteor and creating a crater while sending large fragments flying into the air) then it's no longer a heat feat, but a sheer blunt-force trauma feat.
That being said however, I don't exactly remember the Human Torch having any fire attacks that work in a physical manner like I just described.
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It'd definitely be higher. Why not just use the splat calculator, figure out the height and then calc it that way? How far did the thing fall?
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The Torch absolutely doesn't punch as hard as he shoots fire tho
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Well, isn't his Supernova a suicide move anyway? It's not supposed to scale to his normal stats anyway. At best he'd compare to the rest of the cast and maybe scale to the Thing at the very least.
Speaking of which, any idea how far the Thing fell?
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I think it's just Thing that tanked it.
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Nah, pretty sure it was Doom who did the tanking, not the Thing. Thing was just there to use the fire-hydrant to cool Doom down into solid metal.
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necro bump
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Can somebody summarise this please?
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