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Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

Makai641001 said:
It took seconds at most for percy to calm him down and put him back asleep anything above 30 seconds Would be a massive lowball
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From the moment he contacts percrival from the spirit realm stuff or whatever it is until its reveal is definitely over 30 seconds lmao. That’s when the earthquake stuff starts intensifying to the point it threatens the Demon Realm entirely
 
Majinere566 said:
From the moment he contacts percrival from the spirit realm stuff or whatever it is until its reveal is definitely over 30 seconds lmao. That’s when the earthquake stuff starts intensifying to the point it threatens the Demon Realm entirely
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The count starts after Percival calms Behemoth, not from the moment he enters the world of the spirit of life. After coming out, we still see Behemoth screaming. There is a possibility that Nakaba is showing us what happened before Percival calmed Behemoth, as it wouldn't make sense for him to keep screaming, especially for another minute after being calmed. The miasma disappears, making it clear that Behemoth is asleep, and Percival wakes up shortly after. It's illogical to think that Percival took more than a minute to regain consciousness.

In my opinion, 1 minute would be an extreme low-ball
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
The count starts after Percival calms Behemoth, not from the moment he enters the world of the spirit of life. After coming out, we still see Behemoth screaming. There is a possibility that Nakaba is showing us what happened before Percival calmed Behemoth, as it wouldn't make sense for him to keep screaming, especially for another minute after being calmed. The miasma disappears, making it clear that Behemoth is asleep, and Percival wakes up shortly after. It's illogical to think that Percival took more than a minute to regain consciousness.

In my opinion, 1 minute would be an extreme low-ball
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Wait are you calculating The Behemoth moving its mouth or it going back to sleep?
 
Are the 4koa profiles still being made? I might be able to help out if needed, I've been following the threads for a while now, just need to learn the basics.
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
By unleashing his power, Lancelot made the Chaos near Donny retreat and caused Arthur to be afraid. The onomatopoeia 'Shudder' seen in the panel where Arthur seems to sense something threatening means 'tremble convulsively, typically as a result of fear or revulsion'. From what I've seen, it can also mean excitement, but since we see Chaos retreating, he likely felt fear of Lancelot.

Lancelot 5-A :eek:
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Don’t cry when the 4kota will get stomped by Chaos and Will have to use plot armor in order to win
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
By unleashing his power, Lancelot made the Chaos near Donny retreat and caused Arthur to be afraid. The onomatopoeia 'Shudder' seen in the panel where Arthur seems to sense something threatening means 'tremble convulsively, typically as a result of fear or revulsion'. From what I've seen, it can also mean excitement, but since we see Chaos retreating, he likely felt fear of Lancelot.

Lancelot 5-A :eek:
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That assumes Chaos is 5-A.

The justification for chaos being 5-A is shakey at best. A more reasonable rating would be: at least 5-C (should be stronger than it's sealed form mama hawk), 5-A with absorption (via scaling to the lady of the lake), 4-A with creation.
 
Delta3000 said:
That assumes Chaos is 5-A.

The justification for chaos being 5-A is shakey at best. A more reasonable rating would be: at least 5-C (should be stronger than it's sealed form mama hawk), 5-A with absorption (via scaling to the lady of the lake), 4-A with creation.
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Again that’s only with Excalibur where Chaos Arthur would scale to 5a he might be baseline 5a without Excalibur.
 
I just finished my CRT on the current speed of the verse. I covered aspects like reducing your strength attribute by half being equivalent to reducing your speed by half, base Meliodas being equal to base Arthur, Base 4KoA Meliodas being superior to Post-Purgatory Demon Mark Meliodas. These last two points are very important for my second approach to FTL+.

Now, changing the subject, speedster gave an interesting idea to scale Meliodas's AP. DK Zeldris is superior to Mael, being able to withstand his own power at twice the potency.

Mael > 37.8 Exatons

Base Meliodas > Demon King's durability > 75.6 Exatons

Demon Mark Meliodas = 302.4 Exatons

I don't know if this would be valid, but it wouldn't hurt to try.
 
If the 40 degree POV is accepted, we will have an update to the size of the Behemoth

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Delta3000 said:
The only evidence given so far (that I know of) is chaos scaling above the lady of the lake who has a single feat that she needed help to accomplish.
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The energy of the absorbed attack was used to resurrect Chaos and he litteraly scales above the Lake
 
Makai641001 said:
It still adapts his own canon so if it’s pretty similar we should consider it canon too
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it also adds its own anime original scenes that isn’t in the original canon, so any non managa scene in the anime shouldn’t be considered canon because as stated he views it as a separate work
 
I was looking at the UES of Ninjago and found this. Apparently, we don't need a citation that Arthur is using an amount equal to what he used to create the dimension, since the UES of Ninjago doesn't include this and the characters of the verse scale to 4-C through it. Maybe we can do this in NNT.

Limited Energy System​

There are multiple variants of Elemental Powers used by multiple Elemental Masters, like Kai, Cinder and Neuro. There's also thousands of Dragons who can use Elemental Powers, like Sensei Wu and The Firstbourne. Elemental Powers would fit this critera as they can use a similar amount of power with any given technique (like with Lloyd destroying rock with Energy blasts and a breath attack)

Non-physical Energy System​

Elemental Powers has shown that all their non-physical powers scale to each other in Attack Potency. It was also shown that when they display an increase in energy/power, the potency of their powers and abilities increase as well, like when Lloyd got supercharged by the Matriach Dragon, increasing his power level and allowing him to deal more damage. Its also stated that when a Elemental Master reach True Potential, their powers expands and they become one with their element

Universal Energy System​

Elemental Powers has shown that all they can channel their power through their own bodies in a way that quantifiably enhances them or otherwise allows scaling of their supernatural powers through their physicals. Its shown that when Elemental Masters loose their power, they become significally weaker, like as shown with Cole loosing his super-strength upon the loss of his powers, which was also shown in Season 4. On the contrary, upon gaining a increase in power with the Spinjitzu Burst, clearly channeling his element throught his body, Cole could easly defeat the Skull Sorcerer, something he couldn't do in his base form.
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Makai641001 said:
The energy of the absorbed attack was used to resurrect Chaos and he litteraly scales above the Lake
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Chaos wasn't dead Arthur was and where is the evidence suggesting that the energy required to resurrect someone is equivalent to their power level?
I will agree that Chaos scales above base LoL but saying it scales above post-absorption LoL makes as much sense as saying sealed meliodas scales above pre purgatory ban after ban absorbed half of galand's strength.
 
Delta3000 said:
Chaos wasn't dead Arthur was and where is the evidence suggesting that the energy required to resurrect someone is equivalent to their power level?
I will agree that Chaos scales above base LoL but saying it scales above post-absorption LoL makes as much sense as saying sealed meliodas scales above pre purgatory ban after ban absorbed half of galand's strength.
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But Arthur absorbed all the excess power and chaos. By the way lady of the like has infinite magic power and its nothing compared to chaos.
 
Delta3000 said:
Chaos wasn't dead Arthur was and where is the evidence suggesting that the energy required to resurrect someone is equivalent to their power level?
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The magic was used to awaken him not to resurrect him.

It led him to « the new stage »
Delta3000 said:
I will agree that Chaos scales above base LoL but saying it scales above post-absorption LoL
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It scales above the lake in it’s entirety, same lake that withstood the attack
Delta3000 said:
makes as much sense as saying sealed meliodas scales above pre purgatory ban after ban absorbed half of galand's strength.
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Not the same at all, the lake’s magic was absorbed by Arthur in order to wake his Chaos power.

And btw it isn’t limited to just the attack it’s « the magic that fills the lake » so it might even be a lowball
 
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