Flash (Wally West) vs Pre-Crisis Superman

[Yojimbo1989]

It's a Bird.. It's a Plane.. It's Hax as all Hell!


Proof that hax triumphs over all


When hax collides.

For this fight Pre-Crisis Superman is at his peak (since this fight would be ludicrously unfair otherwise), both characters are bloodlusted and will try to win by any and all possible means. Fight can end in KO, incapacitation or death.

 

[Naitez]

Not fair at all. Wally is slower than Superboy-Prime, whose power is very similar to Pre-Crisis Superman, and Pre-Crisis Supes is faster than Prime.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

SBP is way stronger and faster than PC Supes. Wally is much faster than Supes by a large margin. And by large, I mean LARGE. PC Supes (when not infinite) is quad-quint speed. Wally is tredecillion. Anyway, this was done before and Wally wins by a long shot.

 

[Nibbler3100]

The Flash Finishes this pretty fast

 

[Naitez]

SBP is way stronger and faster than PC Supes. Wally is much faster than Supes by a large margin. And by large, I mean LARGE. PC Supes (when not infinite) is quad-quint speed. Wally is tredecillion. Anyway, this was done before and Wally wins by a long shot.

I was talking about Base Superboy-Prime, the one Pre-Crisis Supes did stuff with personally.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Not fair at all. Wally is slower than Superboy-Prime, whose power is very similar to Pre-Crisis Superman, and Pre-Crisis Supes is faster than Prime.

No, that is Flash Barry Allen.

 

[Naitez]

Wally actually fought Superboy-Prime and couldn't hit him. Barry Allen was only there to help bring Prime into the Speed Force.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

nevermind, it's mentioned in his profile that he also outblitzed wally....

 

[Yojimbo1989]

Seriously, how is it even possible for Wally to ever, EVER lose with abilities like his?

 

[Nibbler3100]

It's very much possible when there's someone more haxxed them him or omnipresent like Iceman who has his weakness as well lol

 

[Jucaslucas]

Isn't there context to that tredecillion ftl speed?

 

[The_Everlasting]

Isn't there context to that tredecillion ftl speed?

He was significantly amped and is not anywhere near that fast normally.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Isn't there context to that tredecillion ftl speed?

I think thats the feat where flash was boosted by the population of the entire earth plus a few speedsters he isn't usually that fast.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

He was significantly amped and is not anywhere near that fast normally.

Then what's his normal speed?

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Cal

Quintillions of times FTL is his max IIRC.

PC Supes on the other hand has a septillions of times FTL feat (Still trying to find the calc though), so he blitzes hard.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Wait, but isn't Wally faster than Seiya, who is in the sex/septillions?

 

[Jucaslucas]

Combat or travel speed?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Combat or travel speed?

For Flashes, it's always both. All if you consider reaction

 

[Jucaslucas]

Combat or travel speed?

For Flashes, it's always both. All if you consider reaction

Why exactly?

And I meant Superman's speed.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Because Speedforce (Flash's answer)

For Supes, I'm not sure, but I think it's both (however, he needs to accelerate, albeit briefly.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Jucas

Because the Flash doesn't fly, he only runs.

 

[Jucaslucas]

Because Speedforce (Flash's answer)
For Supes, I'm not sure, but I think it's both (however, he needs to accelerate, albeit briefly.

Not really a valid answer . . .

I'm not sure on that. Post Flashpoint has mftl travel speed, but he's only listed as ftl in movement.

 

[Naitez]

@Cal

This link puts Superman's speed at hundreds of trillions of times the speed of light when he was about to leave his universe. No calculation on how fast he was traveling across the multiverse though. Other stuff involves him flying so fast that he breaks the time barrier, allowing him to time travel, and his running speed is tied with Pre-Crisis Barry Allen's running speed.

Wally's max speed without time traveling is either tens of sextillions the speed of light or tens of tredecillions times the speed of light if you believe trans-time velocity crap.

 

[Ryukama]

Wait, but isn't Wally faster than Seiya, who is in the sex/septillions?

Umm scaling between two different verses does not work. And no iiirc Flash without amps or Time Travel is not as fast as Seiya.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

That's not what I was talking about. I just thought that we all thought that Wally was faster than Seiya. Scaling between two universes is illogical and has no basis. It's like saying Quicksilver is faster than Goku. It's probably a fallacy.

Also, if that is the case, Flash vs Seiya should be taken down. It wouldn't be inconlusive. It would be a stomp for Seiya.

 

[Ryukama]

@Cal alright apologies for my misunderstanding. I am not sure how the Flash vs Seiya thread went down. But if they didn't let Flash use Time Travel or his greatest feats, then yes it is likely a stomp in Seiya's favor.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

No prob, Ryu. But I think they (they being VSB community including myself) let Flash use his greatest feats.

However, I was under the impression of casual tredecillion Flash.