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Fixin' up Norse Kratos' profile
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Definitely not lol.
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It does definitely seem the myths exist on the same earth imo
- Ascension mentions a traveler from Egypt seeing the Oracle of Delphi
- Chains of Olympus shows Persia exists and the Ifrit (a mythical being from Arabic myth) is shown as a magical attack
- The GOW novel has Ares attacking Egypt before Athens
- The Fates mention they control the fates of the Nile and Mount Vesuvius
- Kratos crosses a sea to get to Egypt in Fallen God
- Kratos is jokingly said to have taken a boat to Midgard
- Kratos was physically taken to Midgard by Skoll and Hati and some unnamed woman
- Mimir’s backstory seems to imply he’s also Puck from Irish myth and he’s said to have physically walked to Midgard
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Well, even though all myth exist on the same earth or different universe, it's still hard to imagine whole GoW cosmology semantically and contextually.
Perhaps Greek and Egypt are on same earth.
But i really hope santa monica can make his own definition about "Earth" , "land", "Geography" , etc... in gow universe.
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Yeah I don’t get it wither
The Nine Realms being separate Earths is easy enough to explain but the others are tricky
It’s possible that the Underworld might just be a plane under Greece but then it’s hard to work with since it’s not treated as a realm unto its self so much as it is adjacent to Greece and Olympus so idk maybe Atlas is holding a tectonic plate or some shot
I sincerely hope we get some elaboration on how the main earth actually works because it’s confusing Rn
The Nine Realms being separate Earths is easy enough to explain but the others are tricky
It’s possible that the Underworld might just be a plane under Greece but then it’s hard to work with since it’s not treated as a realm unto its self so much as it is adjacent to Greece and Olympus so idk maybe Atlas is holding a tectonic plate or some shot
I sincerely hope we get some elaboration on how the main earth actually works because it’s confusing Rn
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Eh, are you really serious? I know that the God of War cosmology is confusing but I don't believe this would match up with what we see in the games.
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So we've got ourselves a conundrum here it seems. That sucks. It sucks that Odin, in his infinite power, who is capable of beating Ymir and making midgard, is unable to walk to another pantheon. Now, mimir stating the only reason Tyr was capable of visiting other pantheons was because the unity stone's power is because he failed to mention the stone's power creates boats, which then allow you to take that long, frivolous, and extremely dangerous voyage to another pantheon. That's why we see tyr on a boat in the triptych. It's all coming together now, because it always puzzled me why mimir stated if Odin was capable of going to other pantheons, he would've done it long ago. Now it all makes sense, he lacked a boat.
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That's not anti feat its feat for the boat. Immeasurable Speed Feat for GoW boats.
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how would it be immeasurable if the myths are all on the same planet. Just a regular boat
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Everyone knows the planet is a complex multiversal structure where every myth and country is a separate multiverse. F*cking boat lowballer get your shit together and stop lowballing the verse.
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Don't know how Fate Manip would do this so maybe a form of space-time manipulation. Kratos also isn't bounded by Fate and doesn't have Fate manip so I don't think it makes a lot of sense.
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Or Kratos' fate got controlled by thoth (egyptian god with bird head in GoW fallen gods) which able to bypass kratos fate resistance ?
Or maybe Kratos got cursed by his own passive destiny manipulation or freedom manipulation or something lol...
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You know, Midgard being just a country makes no sense. Atreus mentioned how the World Serpent was wrapped around the whole world but Kratos called that an exaggeration, later, Freya states that the Serpent spans all of Midgard and Atreus acts as if she has confirmed what he said earlier by saying "told you!".
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Ugh, to say that series is disappointing would be a massive understatement.
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I mean heah
All of the instances I brought up are from the actual games and the novelisations so it’s definitely consistent
I mean it’s really not but I’m assuming your memeing
Thing is how don’t we know that their referring to just the land of Midgard and not the supersized Earth?
Kratos calling it out is interesting because the Serpent being that vast implies he would show up in other myths because of the seeming nature of these regions
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@Hellbeast So you want all myths same planet, cool. You gotta alleviate some problems tho.
1. Mimir has straight up stated if it was possible, Odin would've already invaded other pantheons and attempted to conquer them, so why hasn't he walked/taken a boat to them already
2. Ares attacked egypt yes, and was absolutely massacring it. Zeus himself said Ares was doing it solely for fun and because he loved death and destruction. Am I to believe Ares>>>>>>>Egyptian pantheon while he was messing around and having fun? Damn, guess the greek pantheon is filled with chads.
3. Already WoG stated by both Cory and matt that the creation myths (Uranus creating the universe) is 100% legit, and meant to be taken literally. It's not make believe, not flowery language, not hyperbole.
How do you counter both primary canon backed and confirmed to be taken literally by devs, and the fact Odin hasn't walked to another pantheon yet if it's so easy to get to another one?
1. Mimir has straight up stated if it was possible, Odin would've already invaded other pantheons and attempted to conquer them, so why hasn't he walked/taken a boat to them already
2. Ares attacked egypt yes, and was absolutely massacring it. Zeus himself said Ares was doing it solely for fun and because he loved death and destruction. Am I to believe Ares>>>>>>>Egyptian pantheon while he was messing around and having fun? Damn, guess the greek pantheon is filled with chads.
3. Already WoG stated by both Cory and matt that the creation myths (Uranus creating the universe) is 100% legit, and meant to be taken literally. It's not make believe, not flowery language, not hyperbole.
How do you counter both primary canon backed and confirmed to be taken literally by devs, and the fact Odin hasn't walked to another pantheon yet if it's so easy to get to another one?
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It’s not really what I want but it’s something consistent
I’d assume because of a few thibgs
- his own fate in Ragnarok is likely a greater priority then expanding the Aesir outward so he’s focusing on controlling that
- the other pantheons are a threat, we seem to consider the Aesir and Olympians as being roughly comparable so he would face a Vanir war situation if he tried anything
- he may not even know about them, Mimir and Tyr seem to have been the first to know about these other realms and pantheons
Ok but Ares is a gigachad tho
In fairness tho we see similar with the Persian invasion in Chains of olympus (which I believe has the King reference Zoroastrianism)
The Egyptians not interfering is weird tho but they might be more hands off then the other pantheons
For all we know all myths are true in the sense of their particular regions being formed
Maybe the Primordials birthed Greece and later Odin forged Midgard from Ymir’s corpse
alternately there’s some level of subjective reality here but that doesn’t seem supported outside of a few instances
How do you counter the many instances of regions being traversable physically and without any crazy magical hax? Theres way too many instances to just write them off as “inconsistent”
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Sorry dude but I can't even take this remotely seriously. Primordials were stated to have forged the entire Earth on screen.
Not Greece, The Earth. We also saw them blatantly creating billions of stars and nebulae on screen and they have been confirmed to have created the universe. Both this and Ymir's creation myths are canon and refer to separate realities not the creation of countries in an supersized planet.
Uranus stated to have given life to the universe
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Ouranus Ian the only one to have created stars, everyone else forged different potions of the world, with one creating seas and another conjuring the landsSorry dude but I can't even take this remotely seriously. Primordials were stated to have forged the entire Earth on screen.
Not Greece, The Earth. We also saw them blatantly creating billions of stars and nebulae on screen and they have been confirmed to have created the universe. Both this and Ymir's creation myths are canon and refer to separate realities not the creation of countries in an supersized planet.
Secondly the Earth comment means nothing, this is before GoW incorporated other mythologies so this could have been retconned somewhat in scale and it wouldn’t be the firs tine the origin story story has been retconned (Nyx making the world and stuff)
You also aren’t explaining how any of the shit I mentioned above makes sense if they are all separate dimensions without overlap
Like please explain to me how the Persians can manipulate dimensional bonds or how the Wolves are able to fold space and get Kratos to Midgard
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That explained by saying that you can travel to different countries in your own myths, while different myths are different cosmologies.
Each cosmology is dominated by one Pantheon.
Each cosmology is dominated by one Pantheon.
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Ok so how do we have evidence of Kratos crossings into an entirely different mythology, or Mimir or the persins (all of whom seem to have their own mythologies and stuff)
The Egypt stuff in the earlier games not could be written off but between that and the statement from cory saying the myth all intersect give the impression it’s nowhere near what you’re implying here
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Factually incorrect it was blatantly shown to be made by the clash of them both.
Tho not sure why does this matter what is important is that they forged the entire Earth not Greece.
Okay so prove it was retconned. Simple. Burden of proof falls on you.
Most of your problems would be solved by versions of other countries simple existing in the Greek World which doesn't contradict the current cosmolofy we accept.
Persians are from the same Earth. Same with the Egyptians on this context. If those are separate universes it wouldn't be uncommon for alternate versions of those countries to exist. This is corroborated by the fact that Egyptian Gods, Norse Gods, etc... are never mentioned at all in the God Of War games or the novelizations. Ares razed Egypt and the Egyptian Gods didn't give a shit, maybe because they don't exist in the Greek World in the first place. Gaia cracked multiple continents and shook the Earth in the novel and yet other other pantheons aren't really aware of her existence. Primordials forged the Earth yet no one is aware of that. Answer? Different earth, different universes, simple.
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It's stated on 3 times that Uranus created the entire universe, which is given more context to be infinite in the GoW novels, so please stop writing off his fear as "creating stars".
Mimir is the one who straight up said the unity stone was the reason why Tyr could even go to other pantheons, and because he's from another pantheon, he would know how damn difficult it is to get to another one.
Honestly read kep's blog that's been up for years now - https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...d_of_War:_Myths_of_the_Norse_(Cosmology_Blog)
Nothing has changed, not since GoW 2018 came out. Ragnarok could come out and reveal some new info, but until then this is the most detailed, and best explained theory for how they co-exist.
Mimir is the one who straight up said the unity stone was the reason why Tyr could even go to other pantheons, and because he's from another pantheon, he would know how damn difficult it is to get to another one.
Honestly read kep's blog that's been up for years now - https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...d_of_War:_Myths_of_the_Norse_(Cosmology_Blog)
Nothing has changed, not since GoW 2018 came out. Ragnarok could come out and reveal some new info, but until then this is the most detailed, and best explained theory for how they co-exist.
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Couldn't have said better myself. But if they are still too lazy to click on the link I will drop this here:
Cory confirms all Creation Myths are canon and that they exist in separate universes
And before anyone makes a dumb argument about the greater "actual" universe Cory spoke of. Universe can also mean the totality of creation/all that exists. Its just semantics, but we know that the greater universe he is referring to here is very likely the entirety of the God of War cosmology, or at least the rest of it we haven't seen yet.
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Read my comment again
Tho not sure why does this matter what is important is that they forged the entire Earth not Greece.
The Earth comment could simply Be retconned to accomodate the current approach
Easy; the many instances of characters physically crossing these other regions and the very existence of other pantheons outside of the Greek one
We’ve seen a retconned original before so why are we saying this certainly 100% isn’t the case here?
Ok so you mean to tell me there’s two versions of Egypt that both look the same?
The fact that we know the Greek and egyptian world’s are aware of each ache other implies we’re not looking at a separate universe here
The argument that multiple regions are both place in the agreed pantheon but also their own separate universes entirely has absolutely no evidence
The Greek world alone has stated that Atlantis is a whole other continent and we see from the desert of Lost Souls, the Isle of creation and Mount Olympus that it’s certainly much larger then the Greece that exists so for all we know ThO seems is all within that boundary
Except again
you’ll notice Universe is in quotations which is a clear reference to the cosmologies of the actual regions
He also mentions a “greater universe” (likely a shared earth) that hasn’t been explored in full by the fiction.
Again the actual text is consistent with turn idea and Cory’s Hubble telescope analogy for the myth she implies there’s these separate realms that’s overlap, likelnon the same earth
It’s all connected man
This isn’t a Multiverse situation we’re looking at and all the evidence is consistent with this
I will because the statements saying Universe are older then 2018
Even ignoring that it’s Ppssble to create the “Greek Ubiverse” and not be looking at a whole separate universe in the manner you’re not implying considering cory using “universe” to reference the myths
Ok so how did Mimir do it? Or Ares?
I’ve already discussed the Odin thing above so please read that again if you like
For all we know the unity Stone simplifies the process rather then being the only Way it’s possible
The blog blatantly doesn’t account for the mentions of other realms in the earlier games, nor the implications of Mimir being Puck and outright came now out before the Fallen God comics
It’s not set in stone, no matter how impressive it is and it’s certainly impressive
Either way I feel I’ve derailed a bit so I fb you want we could move this to an alternative thread and let the additions talk continue
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Uhh, kep does speak on mimir being from another pantheon....
"Mimir’s status within the series by itself already brings us evidence in this regard, because Mimir himself is not from the Norse Pantheon! In fact, Mimir is none other than Puck/Robin Goodfellow, as he states in the game himself. He strayed from what he refers to his "homeland" and arrived on the Norse Realms. Yet, despite being originally from a separate mythology (most likely the Celtic Mythology, due to evidence that will be shown later within this section), Mimir constantly tells Kratos and the audience about large-scale tales from the Norse myths, such as Ymir, and he reinforces himself that Ragnarok would be the end of the entire “damn world” if it ever took place."
And the new comics mean literal dogshit. Not only are they utter trash, but the very comics themselves is solely about kratos losing his mind. It presents nothing new and anything presented within the comics is most likely all in kratos head (just like athena being there, which is already confirmed by devs that she wasn't there in 2018 and it was all in his head then). Have you seen the panel where he is wearing his old gear (same gear zeus blasted to pieces) and then isn't wearing it in the next? If not let me show you:
Very Goated comic series if I say so myself. Let's trust what we see from kratos' PoV in this comic series when he doesn't even know his own damn name half the time.
This is all just far reaching and blatantly contradicting primary canon that is reinforced as not being hyperbole and meant to be taken literally, and using the word "retcon" when something doesn't fit the agenda. (Even thoughevery dev that's involved in the series and has spoken on the matter has stated they loathe retcons, they will not retcon anything, and it's a "lazy way of writing")
Bring the topic back up when ragnarok comes out and something actually concrete about GoW being country at best is presented within the lore/games (with WoG both retconning the 14 cosmic feats and confirming country level pantheons+contradicting what they've already said on the matter already "Universe's they have dominion over" "Poseidon was the God of all seas but now he is dead")
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Naa dude the Planet is just multiversal
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Excuse me, WHAT?
Man if you disagree with everything to this extent I advise you to probably go make a CRT or something.
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You’re saying this as if Fallen God is the only evidence I’ve mentioned for this and it’s equally insane to argue that Kratos somehow had the mental stability to go on a whole ass quest to cross dimensional barriers when he barely knows his nameUhh, kep does speak on mimir being from another pantheon....
"Mimir’s status within the series by itself already brings us evidence in this regard, because Mimir himself is not from the Norse Pantheon! In fact, Mimir is none other than Puck/Robin Goodfellow, as he states in the game himself. He strayed from what he refers to his "homeland" and arrived on the Norse Realms. Yet, despite being originally from a separate mythology (most likely the Celtic Mythology, due to evidence that will be shown later within this section), Mimir constantly tells Kratos and the audience about large-scale tales from the Norse myths, such as Ymir, and he reinforces himself that Ragnarok would be the end of the entire “damn world” if it ever took place."
And the new comics mean literal dogshit. Not only are they utter trash, but the very comics themselves is solely about kratos losing his mind. It presents nothing new and anything presented within the comics is most likely all in kratos head (just like athena being there, which is already confirmed by devs that she wasn't there in 2018 and it was all in his head then). Have you seen the panel where he is wearing his old gear (same gear zeus blasted to pieces) and then isn't wearing it in the next? If not let me show you:
Very Goated comic series if I say so myself. Let's trust what we see from kratos' PoV in this comic series when he doesn't even know his own damn name half the time.
WHat agenda am I fitting curiously?
You’re assuming I have some sinister agenda when I’m simply creating discussion on the recent material
You’ve done this before and later in this very same essay so I have to say I’m slightly offended
As for the retcon thing you say that “it’s lazy” but completely ignore the many retcons the GOW series has had over the period
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Hence my suggestion to have a separate thread since I admit this is a bit of a a derail
ah yes you’ve completely annihilated my point with your funny comments
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