First Hero vs. Shield Hero

[Ionliosite]

Gilgamesh vs. Naofumi Iwatani

• Speed equalized
• Both Low 2-C
• SBA

Who wins and why?

 

[Tots_Real]

does Naofumi Iwatani have Raphtalia in this fight

 

[Ionliosite]

No, does he need to? He can fight by himself and he has Low 2-C stuff.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes]

The upgrades for Gilg was accepted? Trying to find the thread

 

[Ionliosite]

Yes, it was, he is Low 2-C now.

 

[Ionliosite]

Bump

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

If Naofumi can get Spatial-ed by EE and SpaceAxe, I'm going with Gil.

 

[Ionliosite]

Naofumi can use Possitive Feedback Reflection and return Enuma Ellish towards Gil, at least thats how it worked againts Medea's Infinity Destroyer.

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

I don't know about this "positive feedback", but Enuma Elish generally does nothing to Gilgamesh.

 

[Ionliosite]

Positive Feedback Reflection reflects the attack towards the original user with higher potency. It reflected Infinity Destroyer, which Medea can resist, and still killed her, so that should be something.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

From what I see on Medea's profile, Infinity Destroyer is Conceptual Attack (Death), that's where Naofumi gets his resistance to conceptual attack from. Not what Gil shooting him with tho.

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Potency should not be an issue since Ea inherently doesn't damage him and he resists its effects. While using it he stands in the middle of what Ea creates.

 

[Ionliosite]

Even if it doesn't damage Gilgamesh, I think he can still reflect the attack. And he can also use Infinity Zero which prevents the use of godly powers, so there is also that.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

For a brief horrified moment I thought this was gonna be Iihiko vs Naofumi

 

[Ionliosite]

For a brief horrified moment I thought this was gonna be Iihiko vs Naofumi

Doing that next

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Can he survive in the void?

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Even if it doesn't damage Gilgamesh, I think he can still reflect the attack. And he can also use Infinity Zero which prevents the use of godly powers, so there is also that.

Does Naofumi start with it in character? Even if it prevent Gil from Ea-ing him, he still has that space cutting axe thingy.

 

[Paul_Frank]

I don't know if Ea even counts as a 'godly power'

 

[NeoSuperior]

IIRC Naofumi became Low 2-C by "walking" across the multiverse and experiencing various things, so considering there is no mention of specifically teleporting between worlds, I'd think yes he can survive in the void.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

I don't know if Ea even counts as a 'godly power'

Well, it's said that Ea (the sword thingy) was the power Ea (the god) used to shape the world.

 

[Paul_Frank]

No Ea the sword was just named so by Gilgamesh in honor of Ea the god.

It wasn't actually ever touched by Ea afaik

 

[YungManzi]

Gilly's entire moveset would be godly powers by shield hero standards (GoB). It prevents the use of powers which could destroy the world, and really any powers which don't originate in the world that they are currently in, and it negates immortality by giving his opponent HP, and nothing can survive with 0 HP, such is the law of the world.


As for whether or not he would use it in-character...He used it relatively soon against Medea, and really it would be his best shot at defeating someone, because of his lack of attack skills.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes]

Considering how Gilg acts to the point and how he wants to kill Naofumi I think it's likely for him to use it

 

[Paul_Frank]

Why would GoB be considered godly by shield hero standards

Also pretty sure Gilgamesh would resist the having his hp set to 0 thing anyway

 

[YungManzi]

"Why would GoB be considered godly by shield hero standards."

Because "Godly" powers in Shield Hero are powers which don't naturally exist in the world where Naofumi is in, and GoB literally contains nothing except treasures from another world.

"Also pretty sure Gilgamesh would resist the having his hp set to 0 thing anyway."

Resisting having your HP set to 0 isn't a thing, he would have to resist Naorumi's law manipulation (Which he might, via resisting BB's law).

If he does resist that, he absolutely stomps Naofumi. Unless you give him Raphtalia and unequalize speed.

 

[Paul_Frank]

so it's just as dumb as imagine breaker the

If it's done through powernull or law hax Gilgamesh resists that through BB

He absolutely resists the lawhax through resisting BB's authority

 

[YungManzi]

That reminds me, it should be mentioned on Raphtalia's page that she can send attacks into the past and technically Erase their Existence via doing that.

As far as how far into the past, she can attack keep up with Medea who can send her attacks all throughout time....so, there's that.

 

[YungManzi]

Also, to be fair, Naofumi's law hax worked on Medea, who's more than a bit more powerful than BB. I mentioned that because it seems Gilly was able to resist BB's abilities via being her equal.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Also, to be fair, Naofumi's law hax worked on Medea, who's more than a bit more powerful than BB. I mentioned that because it seems Gilly was able to resist BB's abilities via being her equal.

Weren't they both 1 step(kinda) above baseline?

 

[Paul_Frank]

As stated on the other thread where cal brought this up

Gil literally resisted her authority by being a chad

 

[Dragopentling]

Enuma Elish isn't like a divine weapon?? That thing can literally rip apart the fabric of space.

 

[John985]

Also, to be fair, Naofumi's law hax worked on Medea, who's more than a bit more powerful than BB. I mentioned that because it seems Gilly was able to resist BB's abilities via being her equal.

I dont even know why you think this, because Medea would be stomp by BB.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Enuma Elish isn't like a divine weapon?? That thing can literally rip apart the fabric of space.

Nope, Ea isn't even technically a weapon it's just Ea

 

[Ionliosite]

I dont even know why you think this, because Medea would be stomp by BB.

By hax or by AP?

 

[YungManzi]

I mean AP wise.

Medea fused 8 universes together and threatened to destroy them, even 8 universes put together couldn't maintain her true form without collapsing.

Whether or not BB beats Medea in an actual battle, I have no idea. Medea could win, but I'll save that argument for if someone ever makes the match.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

I mean AP wise.
Medea fused 8 universes together and threatened to destroy them, even 8 universes put together couldn't maintain her true form without collapsing.

Whether or not BB beats Medea in an actual battle, I have no idea. Medea could win, but I'll save that argument for if someone ever makes the match.

I believe the fusing 8 universe thingy is for her 2C version

 

[YungManzi]

Nah. It's for the rating in general. She doesn't have any lower feats.

The reason why she isn't flat out 2-C (I think) is because the fusing of 8 universes happened over the course of several mellinnia but she also implied that she could nuke all of them at any time she wants, and that her true existence is too heavy for even 8 universes to sustain it. I personally think she's 2-B to 2-A with her strongest attack, but hey, most people didn't agree so...

 

[Ionliosite]

Bump

 

[Ionliosite]

Bump

 

[Overlord775]

BB's law hax is 8-D