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why no one call me for this?you know i am also into fire force right?
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why no one call me for this?you know i am also into fire force right?
The MVP is here!!why no one call me for this?you know i am also into fire force right?
i was going to say something about it,well,i have to quite it,anyway it is not important,just alot of text.I am changing my stance to leave HDE on the profile.
No one is even trying to upgrade the verse to low 1-C...i am gonna agree on the low 1-C
then leave the higher dimensional existence if no one is trying the low 1-C,me against alot of people in this forum is not goodNo one is even trying to upgrade the verse to low 1-C...
why no one call me for this?you know i am also into fire force right?
what, did you ignore the staff input completely-then leave the higher dimensional existence if no one is trying the low 1-C,me against alot of people in this forum is not good
maybe,because i was occupaded taking care of my sister and not touch the pcwhat, did you ignore the staff input completely-
We necessarily need to do so Duedate, that's the logical consequence of allowing HDE to stay, the fact you're actively arguing we should just ignore this consequence because "someone above said they wish to make a full CRT about it later" doesn't make sense, and honestly is shocking coming from a mod. We shouldn't, and in actuality, we don't allow direct misinformation of this level to exist on our profiles. We can't just hand-wave it away like it doesn't matter, that's bullshit. Also the guy, @Maitreya, who said he'd make a full CRT about it later literally agrees with removing it currently because he actually understands you can't just leave blatant misinformation on the profiles just because he's revising it eventually in the future.My argument isn't that it wouldn't scale to stats, my argument here is that we don't need these characters to scale to Low 1-C in order for them to have HDE. Simply put, whatever the AP ends up being, they are higher dimensional people just full stop. We have the blatant statements/feats, that's the best we can ask for when it comes to abilities.
I don't much care to give a rating to it right now, because as someone above pointed out they wish to make a full CRT on the Statistics later since there's more to flesh it out they believe.
We can't just leave it, it's our obligation to remove, or correct misinformation on our profiles, the fact you're fighting against me on this is something else.This thread is built on the idea that the only two outcomes is either we drop HDE or we upgrade AP, and I don't agree with that. We can also just leave it be for now, cause HDE itself is accurate. Now, if there's a wish to push an upgrade of some sort towards Low 1-C because of this being a higher plane, then that can be tackled but your reasoning for why we would upgrade is not convincing enough due to just a lack of scans or anything of that nature that I don't think such an upgrade would be solid in the moment.
So I'm voting to just leave it alone for now, cause we have enough proof for HDE. And that's all we need for it to remain on the profiles.
Ignore pain then, her opinion doesn't matter, just stick with what i'm saying in the OP and in my rebuttals, please.Literally pain is implying that
They're not saying they inhabit it, they're saying they embody it and can freely manipulate the entirety of itActually I'm curious, how does the structure being 4-D equate into those who inhabit it 4-D?
Dread, I know you have a problem with reading my posts recentlyLiterally pain is implying that
No Qualitative superiority has nothing to do with AP, you can be superior and higher dimensioned and still be weaker than a lower D being AP wise
Higher dimensions has nothing to do with AP, I never said it does.
Animated depiction on what i'm going to do to you IRL after telling you the 50th time I already know this.Also @Deceived3596 like I said qualitative superiority or HDE has nothing to do with AP,
No, I have absolutely no damn reading comprehension issues. Your requirements are literally implying the necessity of having low 1-C cosmology which me and @Duedate8898 are already opposing this in two factors:Dread, I know you have a problem with reading my posts recently
This is your requirements, Pein. There is absolutely no reason to think it has nothing related to AP, because if any of them are met, then there is no reason to oppose against low 1-C.1. There is a R>F difference
2 There is an ontological difference
3. They are higher spatial dimensions.
4. Larger in such a way that every other thing is infinitesimally small.
I don't find it here an issue, if this is being implied and proved, the verse deserves low 1-C comparison. Also in other side, you are implying a conditional argument where we both agreed, that it should not be the case as HDE has nothing to do with AP.We currently give both Shinra and Haumea Higher-Dimensional Existence because Haumea's the physical embodiment of Adolla, with Adolla "embodying the very idea of 'higher dimensions' and 'mathematics' itself". And Shinra scaling from this because he "Is the true god of all of creation in the verse, even greater than The Evangelist".
There's an issue with this, see, Adolla's stated to be a "higher dimension" in comparison to the main Fire Force universe, which is a 4-D structure, with it having its own universal space-time continuum. Meaning, Adolla would be 5-D since it's qualitatively superior to a 4-D structure.
Haumea's the physical embodiment of this supposed 5-D dimension, with her having the capabilities of manipulating it fully with her power. Which would mean she would scale to this level of dimensionality in terms of existence and power.
Not of necessity as they are not related to each other.Everyone else who currently scales to 2-C would, of course, scale to this level of power since their scaling is derived from scaling below, to, or above Adolla.
So the conundrum we're given is if we should remove this higher-dimensional existence from Adolla, and such these profiles because of the inconsistency of Low 1-C within Fire Force (at least with what's currently outline within the cosmology blog), or we upgrade every single 2-C character to Low 1-C.
This thread will discuss and rectify this problem. I'm personally in favor of removing it entirely because of the current inconsistencies with these characters scaling to Low 1-C, but i'm open to discussion and having my mind changed.
You're misunderstanding what i'm calling an "issue" here Dread, i'm not saying Low 1-C in itself is the issue, or even an issue at all. The "issue" i'm referencing would be how we currently scale the verse's AP and how it's affected by Adolla's HDE. If we continue to accept Adolla being a mathematically higher dimension, then we necessarily need to upgrade the verse's AP, full stop. We can't have one but not the other in this situation since the AP scaling for 2-C is inherently contingent on Adolla, if Adolla's 5-D, then manipulating it, which is currently accepted to be an AP feat, would be a 5-D/Low 1-C AP feat. Similar how it's currently considered to be a 4-D/Low 2-C AP feat individually.I don't find it here an issue, if this is being implied and proved, the verse deserves low 1-C comparison. Also in other side, you are implying a conditional argument where we both agreed, that it should not be the case as HDE has nothing to do with AP.
It's a necessity in this situation Dread, if you don't believe it would, then we gotta remove 2-C from the profiles.Not of necessity as they are not related to each other.
Then we are both concede that HDE has nothing to do with AP, but within this verse mechanics, it is relevant. Agreed with the premise.HDE within this instance does matter to AP since the HDE in question is in reference to a dimension, not a physical entity.
yall are gonna break decieved one of these daysI'm actually malding at the fact none of y'all are understanding what i'm saying.
Oh the Strawmann. Again you have absolutely no knowledge in this and cannot read it or you just cannot comprehend it, either way it is bad.No, I have absolutely no damn reading comprehension issues. Your requirements are literally implying the necessity of having low 1-C cosmology which me and @Duedate8898 are already opposing this in two factors:
This is your requirements, Pein. There is absolutely no reason to think it has nothing related to AP, because if any of them are met, then there is no reason to oppose against low 1-C.
- It has nothing to do with AP, so your requirements has no treatment here
- And since your requirements has no meaning here, the character can get HDE.
So stop constantly antagonize me that I can't read shit. Read your requirements at least, if the verse proved any of them, there is absolutely no damn reason not to upgrade the verse to low 1-C
which is the problem here, since the HDE is supposed to be in reference to humans and not the universe. Also there should be no HDE at all, making a thread at this point, in Judge Judy voice "it is bellony"HDE within this instance does matter to AP since the HDE in question is in reference to a dimension, not a physical entity.
That is not an insult, they actually have a reading comprehension and I am pointing it out. Since I am tired of the same nonsense over and over againPain, theres no need to throw insults at people over a vsbw fire force thead
That is not an insult, they actually have a reading comprehension and I am pointing it out. Since I am tired of the same nonsense over and over again
Not if it is trueIt was insult
In favor of removing it entirely there must be feats to back up such tierHigher D
We currently give both Shinra and Haumea Higher-Dimensional Existence because Haumea's the physical embodiment of Adolla, with Adolla "embodying the very idea of 'higher dimensions' and 'mathematics' itself". And Shinra scaling from this because he "Is the true god of all of creation in the verse, even greater than The Evangelist".
There's an issue with this, see, Adolla's stated to be a "higher dimension" in comparison to the main Fire Force universe, which is a 4-D structure, with it having its own universal space-time continuum. Meaning, Adolla would be 5-D since it's qualitatively superior to a 4-D structure.
Haumea's the physical embodiment of this supposed 5-D dimension, with her having the capabilities of manipulating it fully with her power. Which would mean she would scale to this level of dimensionality in terms of existence and power.
Everyone else who currently scales to 2-C would, of course, scale to this level of power since their scaling is derived from scaling below, to, or above Adolla.
So the conundrum we're given is if we should remove this higher-dimensional existence from Adolla, and such these profiles because of the inconsistency of Low 1-C within Fire Force (at least with what's currently outline within the cosmology blog), or we upgrade every single 2-C character to Low 1-C.
This thread will discuss and rectify this problem. I'm personally in favor of removing it entirely because of the current inconsistencies with these characters scaling to Low 1-C, but i'm open to discussion and having my mind changed.
Voting:
Keep higher-dimensional existence and upgrade 2-C characters to Low 1-C - @Duedate8898 (Doesn't believe this is an either or scenario, believes the HDE can stay without affecting the AP scaling of the verse, doesn't currently agree with Low 1-C)
Remove higher-dimensional existence from the profiles - @KingTempest
Neutral -
I will like to think of it as constructive criticism. I am giving you something you can work on, which is the way you comprehend or understand people's post and the wiki pages."If it is true, then I am allowed to insult"
Someone call staff members to moderate him and stop strawmanning