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Mait is now the new pain!So help me God if you try and turn this thread into a low 1-C upgrade I will become a staunch Fire Force downgrader real quick
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Mait is now the new pain!So help me God if you try and turn this thread into a low 1-C upgrade I will become a staunch Fire Force downgrader real quick
Do you plan to update the verse at another time? it's weird to read your comment, when you created the verse cosmology blogSo help me God if you try and turn this thread into a low 1-C upgrade I will become a staunch Fire Force downgrader real quick
Idk but seems everyone agreed with removal.What exactly is the argument here?
Another time lad. Right now the profile pages are actual doo doo so I’d like to first rework them, fix them up, and make them look actually presentable before just slapping on a tier 1 rating just for the sake of upgrading the verse.Do you plan to update the verse at another time? it's weird to read your comment, when you created the verse cosmology blog
What is this in relation towards?.What exactly is the argument here?
removeI'm solid, i'm rock hard .
There are two proposals in the OP, either we remove Higher D Existence from both profiles because of inconsistencies, or we upgrade everyone who currently scales to 2-C, to Low 1-C.
What's your opinion on this issue?
I thought that Adolla was already accepted as a 4D structure, and that was why shinra and Haumea had HDE in their profiles, but that seems not to be the case3 3d weenies fusing to become 5d doesn't make much sense to begin with
This is mentioned in two separate places.Is the only proof of Adolla being a higher dimensions this scan?
there’s evidence they have HDE, even more than what was shown here, the issue is that in order to apply the ability they’d need to be upgraded to low 1-C and that would take a whole big CRT on its own.In that case, it seems pretty clear cut that they have HDE.
To clarifyIn that case, it seems pretty clear cut that they have HDE.
So, it is not HDEStated to embody or contain higher dimension or stated to be higher dimensions means jack, since you have to prove either of these
1. There is a R>F difference
2 There is an ontological difference
3. They are higher spatial dimensions.
4. Larger in such a way that every other thing is infinitesimally small.
What you're describing is a matter of AP, not ability/physiology. The world of Adolla is called a higher plane, and is referenced twice as a higher plane within the setting. There's little to argue with here in that this is a higher dimension, and if characters originate from it and/or embody it, then they should qualify for HDE.So, it is not HDE
Higher dimensions has nothing to do with AP, I never said it does.What you're describing is a matter of AP, not ability/physiology. The world of Adolla is called a higher plane, and is referenced twice as a higher plane within the setting. There's little to argue with here in that this is a higher dimension, and if characters originate from it and/or embody it, then they should qualify for HDE.
Just because you don't understand or knowledgeable about something does not make it wrong.Pain is ignoring it making his requirements questionable.
I am not insulting your intelligence just pointing out the obviousYou ain't helping your case. I read the HDE and nothing mentioned about your requirements.
Instead of insulting my intelligence, cite your sources.
Also, how is it not relevant when I ask for source of your claim?
In a more layman's term since you do not understand this, when they possess 4 dimensions or more. In short, when they are higher dimensioned to 3Dwhen they exist as part of a system with a number of coordinates axes greater than our own, or in layman's terms, if they possess more than three dimensions.
You need qualitative superiority over 3 Dimensions, the moment you have an extra direction axis compared to 3-D, you are qualitatively superior to 3-DI'm always confused with this stuff. Isn't HDE atleast just having an extra axis of movement (where it would not be significant enough to give a tier) rather than requiring R>F over dimensions or qualitative superiority.
Again, answer the question, how is someone Higher dimensioned to 3-D based on physics?There are more requirements for that.
HDE is a nature ability when someone is being higher dimensionality as in his physis
it was said twice, "the evangelist is a higher plane being" the other time was a monologue describing adolla.As the staff pointed out, it's been hinted many times that the character is question is indeed higher dimension.
Why would it based on physics? The ability in itself is based more on theological and philosophical fiction's setting rather mathematical one.Again, answer the question, how is someone Higher dimensioned to 3-D based on physics?
Before you claim I am insulting your intelligence since this is like playing a broken record.
The author don't need to tell you anything. He already pointed out that adolla is a higher dimensionality. It's not my burden to prove negative.it was said twice, "the evangelist is a higher plane being" the other time was a monologue describing adolla.
And that means jack, since you need to tell me the extra axis you saw in adolla or the extra dimension the evangelist possesed or how he has some sort of qualitative superiority over 3-Dimensions
This is a statement that shows that you did not read the page and you should probably commenting on things you know little aboutWhy would it based on physics? The ability in itself is based more on theological and philosophical fiction's setting rather mathematical one.
Are axes and coordinates theology and philosophical settings?A given object or entity is referred to as being higher-dimensional when they exist as part of a system with a number of coordinates axes greater than our own, or in layman's terms, if they possess more than three dimensions.
are all these philosophical?Speaking in simple terms, a "dimension" can be considered an axis of movement and measurement, through which beings and objects can displace themselves throughout a given physical system. 1-dimensional beings would only be able to dislocate themselves to left and right across a single direction, while 2-dimensional beings would have an additional spatial axis inherent to them, and thus be able to move up and down as well. Finally, 3-dimensional beings like ourselves are able to displace themselves left and right and up and down, as well as forwards and backwards, encompassings parts of additional axes of space.
Which of those are philosphical or theological since that is the whole page, since when is "cartesian" a philosophy term? Not once was a philosophical or theological term mentioned, so which wiki page are you reading since I am sure we are not reading the same thing, you are probably in the wrong wiki page.Mathematical Intuition
Speaking in more rigorous terms, a "dimension" in a system can be most effectively equated to the real number line, which is itself the most basic example of a 1-dimensional coordinate space (commonly denoted as simply as ℝ), and contains bounded subsets (smaller, finite lines if you will) whose exact measurements can be taken by "pointing" at a real number represented as a specific point in the line (Example: A line with length 3 is a subset of the real number line, whose length is infinite)
In this context, adding another dimension to a given space is effectively adding another real number line in a different, perpendicular position, which is mathematically represented by continuous cartesian products of ℝ. For example, 2-dimensional space is represented by ℝ^2 (ℝ x ℝ), 3-dimensional space by ℝ^3, and so on and so forth.
In this context, measurements of positions in space are once again obtained by directing oneself at arbitrary numbers contained in the axes of the given expanse, thus obtaining one's own coordinates in it. Simplifying this case, one could also informally state that the "Dimension" of a space is the exact number of coordinates needed to specify any position within it.
Likewise, any n-dimensional object can be thought of as being a subset of a real coordinate space of corresponding dimension. Here is a good illustrative example of that.
not my concern, if I find them, I can make a CRT but this is FFHell, i know more than 10 characters who got HDE through this.
You should honestly stop replying here, Telling you to prove that the difference 'is qualitative' is a "positive" while if I am telling you to prove the difference 'is not qualitative' that is a "negative"The author don't need to tell you anything. He already pointed out that adolla is a higher dimensionality. It's not my burden to prove negative.
Huh??? If something is called like 200-D it won't get it a 1-B tier without elaboration on dimensional superiority, but it's still a 200-D space and any being who is called 200-D will still get that HDE but just not significant enough to scale to AP. Qualitative superiority is really only relevant for AP.You need qualitative superiority over 3 Dimensions, the moment you have an extra direction axis compared to 3-D, you are qualitatively superior to 3-D
No Qualitative superiority has nothing to do with AP, you can be superior and higher dimensioned and still be weaker than a lower D being AP wiseHuh??? If something is called like 200-D it won't get it a 1-B tier without elaboration on dimensional superiority, but it's still a 200-D space and any being who is called 200-D will still get that HDE but just not significant enough to scale to AP. Qualitative superiority is really only relevant for AP.
I really do not know where you guys are seeing your stuffs, and the HDE page is not so confusing that multiple interpretation can be used.Are higher-dimensional beings infinitely stronger than lower-dimensional equivalents?
Unintuitive as that may be: Not necessarily, as a number of characteristics through which we quantify the strength or power of a character can remain unchanged when transitioning between higher and lower dimensions. For example: Mass is a quantity that is detached from the dimension of the object which it is inherent to, and unlike volume is not divided in units corresponding to each particular dimension (1-volume [length], 2-volume [area], 3-volume, 4-volume...). It is singular in nature and its units equally apply to all dimensions; whether it is distributed over an area or a volume only tells us about the span of space in which it is spread, not about the quantity itself.
As a consequence of that, much of the calculation methods which are used to measure strength apply equally to both higher and lower dimensions, as they do not care about the extra variables and often work with a single one of them. Examples of this are kinetic energy (Ek=0.5*M*V^2), force (F=M*A), work (W=F*d), and etc.
An intuitive example of that is found in the general definition of Work as defined in physics: In essence, as work itself denotes the energy applied to an object as it is displaced along a given path, the basic formula for calculating it only takes into account a single variable, and the path itself is treated as an one-dimensional object, regardless of the dimension of the space in which the action itself takes place.
Hence, a higher-dimensional entity can be both stronger or weaker than a lower-dimensional one, and thus, they are usually quantified based on their own feats, instead of dimensionality alone. If a character is merely stated to be higher-dimensional and simultaneously has no other feats to derive anything noteworthy from, then they are put at Unknown, and the same applies to lower dimensions as well.
It's a higher dimension. Japanese raws use "高次元".No Qualitative superiority has nothing to do with AP, you can be superior and higher dimensioned and still be weaker than a lower D being AP wise
I really do not know where you guys are seeing your stuffs, and the HDE page is not so confusing that multiple interpretation can be used.
He is from a higher plane, does not mean someone has an extra axis compared to 3-D without further context, it is as simple as that.
Again means nothing without context or its applicationsIt's a higher dimension. Japanese raws use "高次元".
While it's true that you can have an x dimensionality of HDE without having that level of dimensionality for AP, that isn't the case here, it's necessarily so it would scale to The Evangelist's AP, and such everyone else's for a multitude of reasons.They don't have to be Low 1-C to have HDE. As long as the scans for HDE hold up then I don't see much point in getting rid of them cause that's the truth of the matter.
My argument isn't that it wouldn't scale to stats, my argument here is that we don't need these characters to scale to Low 1-C in order for them to have HDE. Simply put, whatever the AP ends up being, they are higher dimensional people just full stop. We have the blatant statements/feats, that's the best we can ask for when it comes to abilities.Snip