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Gold Experience Requiem vs Amane Shinomiya
Yeah... let's see who's stronger.
Round 1: Speed equal
Round 2: Speed unequal
Yeah... let's see who's stronger.
Round 1: Speed equal
Round 2: Speed unequal
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Fight for the strongest 10-A (Again)
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Even though I'm the OP, I'm only doing the math for the strongest 10-A thread, so I'll give my opinion.
This happens:
Don't FRA this as this isn't a vote as I cannot vote.
This happens:
Don't FRA this as this isn't a vote as I cannot vote.
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Ugh, such a drag. Also is there a need for "speed equal" and "speed unequal"?
Amane's shit is passive so:
Amane: *exists*
GER: *Gets bombarded by like 4 passives and dies of random fate manips cus he doesn't resist them"
Amane's shit is passive so:
Amane: *exists*
GER: *Gets bombarded by like 4 passives and dies of random fate manips cus he doesn't resist them"
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The page mentions he needs to wish them. Also, GER's Causalty Manipulation is stronger.
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Some of his wishes are there all the time, to win without fighting, everything goes smoothly for him and the passive protection.
It rewinded back time it's not shown to be infinitely above 3d. Simply cus it rewinded time doesn't mean it's infinitely above 3d, otherwise dio would be 4d as well and Kurono which I'll be making a profile for in a lil would be 4d as well for erasing part of spacetime. Anyway imma not turn this into a crt and assume it's stronger... Yeah, so? When has ger worked when he's getting fate and prob haxed beyond reason?
Amane snaps and ger and giorno go poof.
It rewinded back time it's not shown to be infinitely above 3d. Simply cus it rewinded time doesn't mean it's infinitely above 3d, otherwise dio would be 4d as well and Kurono which I'll be making a profile for in a lil would be 4d as well for erasing part of spacetime. Anyway imma not turn this into a crt and assume it's stronger... Yeah, so? When has ger worked when he's getting fate and prob haxed beyond reason?
Amane snaps and ger and giorno go poof.
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Because those two abilities are just consequences of Causalty Manipulation, just like GER's Willpower Manipulation is just a conseqence of his Causalty Manipulation.
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Wait.. who said fate manip and prob are a result of causality manip?
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Oh boy, this will be good.
Anyway, if Amano's passive can potentially harm Giorno, I dont see why GER couldn't just negate it
Anyway, if Amano's passive can potentially harm Giorno, I dont see why GER couldn't just negate it
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Why would ger negate it when he's getting fate and prob haxed to oblivion and back? Besides amane could just wish for ger and giornos Insta death or erasure.EmperorDoom25 said:
Against passives of this level there is not much ger can do, let alone factoring in protection and basic wishes and casualty ignoring abilities.
Stomp conditions are met for amane.
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Firephoenixearl said:
If he needs to wish to use Fate hax / prob manip, then GER would deny it before he even finish his wish, because thats how it works. He nullifies any potential harm towards giorno, in a way that wont happen, ever.
Now, if Amano's passive contain Fate hax/prob manip that benefits him, then I dont know how this match would end up, tbh.
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Fate and prob are passive.
And the negation depends, time skip affected ger before he negged it.
Amanes active wishes will still be able to 1 shot them both. So can we agree this is a stomp and stop putting jojo vs ppl with passive stuff?
And the negation depends, time skip affected ger before he negged it.
Amanes active wishes will still be able to 1 shot them both. So can we agree this is a stomp and stop putting jojo vs ppl with passive stuff?
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GER is passive though. It would just undo whatever triggered the fate/prob indefinitly then proceed to MUDA.
GER wasn't affected by Diavolo's ability either. Diavolo just saw a false version of the future, and before he could reach it GER noped.
GER wasn't affected by Diavolo's ability either. Diavolo just saw a false version of the future, and before he could reach it GER noped.
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1. When was GER shown to be passive? The passive GER is heavily contradicted by the fact that Diavolo used all of his hax and THEN he was rewinded to 0. GER's stuff is thought based (for GER).
2. Diavolo's ability wasn't passive fate hax that leads people to suffering from diseases, missing, tripping, cause light failures/black outs, make people commit betrayal, cause crime scenes and more, so i don't think the equivalence is valid.
3. Active wishes could just make him go poof. GER has never rewinded from a state where both he and Giorno get annihalated.
2. Diavolo's ability wasn't passive fate hax that leads people to suffering from diseases, missing, tripping, cause light failures/black outs, make people commit betrayal, cause crime scenes and more, so i don't think the equivalence is valid.
3. Active wishes could just make him go poof. GER has never rewinded from a state where both he and Giorno get annihalated.
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It's automatic not passive.
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Proof for that?Ogbunabali said:
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Diavolo's ability began to be automatically undone before GER began speaking/moving out of Diavolo's prediction. The moment Diavolo made a move to harm Giorno it activated.Firephoenixearl said:
If it has a cause, and an effect, GER can nope it. The type of ability is of no real consequence.Firephoenixearl said:
It's activated during a segment of non-existent time. Also if it's active A) Amane can't see GER, B) GER causality manips him by default before he starts anything.Firephoenixearl said:
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1. Yes it still allowed Diavolo to use his hax. And GER was capable of moving in erased time, so it wasn't passive, it was just GER snapping Diavolo's hax. GER wasn't incapped when that happened. If Diavolo could use his hax without getting negated the moment he even thought of using his hax. So can Amane.
2. Depends. Some of Amane's hax lack a cause (namely his causality manipulation hands). And yes the ability does matter, he negated time skip when he could move. There is no argument that GER could do the same when his fate has been haxed into losing. He may not even be able to use 0 reset due to the fate manip.
3. What, a segment of non-existent time? A) Amane doesn't need to, he doesn't make specific wishes, just makes general wishes with absolute results (the power itself does the rest, not to mention Blazer's ability to see their own aura and other stuff like that).
B) No he doesn't, GER has never done anything like that. Even the bullet was only rewinded after it started piercing Giorno's skin. If it were automatic or passive the moment it touched Giorno's skin it should have got 0 reset, it didn't all the more proof it's "not" automatic/passive, it's active. Both uses of 0 reset have been in cases where GER could easily react to.
2. Depends. Some of Amane's hax lack a cause (namely his causality manipulation hands). And yes the ability does matter, he negated time skip when he could move. There is no argument that GER could do the same when his fate has been haxed into losing. He may not even be able to use 0 reset due to the fate manip.
3. What, a segment of non-existent time? A) Amane doesn't need to, he doesn't make specific wishes, just makes general wishes with absolute results (the power itself does the rest, not to mention Blazer's ability to see their own aura and other stuff like that).
B) No he doesn't, GER has never done anything like that. Even the bullet was only rewinded after it started piercing Giorno's skin. If it were automatic or passive the moment it touched Giorno's skin it should have got 0 reset, it didn't all the more proof it's "not" automatic/passive, it's active. Both uses of 0 reset have been in cases where GER could easily react to.
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As long as Amane's ability doesn't kill GER before he can even think, GER should just say: "Yes, you fate/prob/causalty manipulated Reality. What you changed is indeed reality. But you will never reach the reality that will occur. None of who stand haha, got the joke before me will ever do so, as this is Gold Experience Requiem!"
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GER wasn't contradicting Diavolo's predictions, again. If it truly wasn't affected by Diavolo's ability it would have started moving immediately. Its ability automatically activated, then it was rendered immune. Amane activates his ability, and it gets Ctrl + Z'd by GER.Firephoenixearl said:
Of course there's an argument for that. If there was something that triggered or caused Giorno's fate to change, GER would nope it. There is a cause and an effect.Firephoenixearl said:
That doesn't contradict it being passive, though. It reacted the moment the bullet threatened to harm Giorno. Also it 0s Diavolo before he takes any actions later in the fight so that doesn't say much.Firephoenixearl said:
Amane would sort of need to perceive and interact with GER in order to do anything in response to its own ability. He wouldn't be able to locate the cause or origin of whatever he's trying to alter, and his ability would likely just affect Giorno, which GER promptly un-dos and MUDAs.
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So what does Amane have so stop willpower manipulation?
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1. It was already accepted that GER could move inside the time erasure so that's why he has infinite speed. If it's really just automatic, then he wouldn't have infinite speed. Besides GER uses the famous line of "no one shall take an action" before Diavolo gets rewinded (when diavolo is shocked as to why he can't see his fate). Btw fate and prob manip are passive for amane, the rest is active.
2. Fate and prob are passive, Amane also has passive protection. Not to mention that Amane's wish could just take care of GER and GG without killing them but by forcing them to commit self BFR, go incap etc to bypass GER's ability.
3.When did it 0 Diavolo that quick? And nah, Amane's wishes already affect abilities like that even when Amane has 0 knowledge of the ability. Depends if Amane is fated to win, all of his opponents would get fate haxed, in this case, both ger and GG since they have separate fates.
Now show me when did GER activate 0 reset under the effects of fate hax that prevents him from using stuff or power mods them.
2. Fate and prob are passive, Amane also has passive protection. Not to mention that Amane's wish could just take care of GER and GG without killing them but by forcing them to commit self BFR, go incap etc to bypass GER's ability.
3.When did it 0 Diavolo that quick? And nah, Amane's wishes already affect abilities like that even when Amane has 0 knowledge of the ability. Depends if Amane is fated to win, all of his opponents would get fate haxed, in this case, both ger and GG since they have separate fates.
Now show me when did GER activate 0 reset under the effects of fate hax that prevents him from using stuff or power mods them.
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I personally don't think GER has infinite speed but that is for another thread.Firephoenixearl said:
Fate/Prob doesn't stop GER from activating automatically.Firephoenixearl said:
When Diavolo claims he is unable to take any actions later in the fight. That's GER reducing all of his actions to 0 before he even takes them.Firephoenixearl said:
When it prevents the future Diavolo saw from becoming reality.Firephoenixearl said:
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1. Yeah, well it is so that completely neggs the "it's automatic" as of rn. You can't have both, since it's infinite on his profile it means it's not automatic.
2. Oh yes it does. Fate and prob hax will prevent GER from using his hax. That's the beauty of fate hax, just create a fate where GER doesn't use it. And since it's not automatic cus he has infinite on his profile yeah...
3. That's just a statement, it was never shown that Diavolo's stuff was getting 0ed before he even did them. Nothing points to it.
4. That's under the effect of time skip which he resisted/infinite speed through. Not fate hax that messes with all of his powers, though process, decisions etc without him realizing he's doing so.
2. Oh yes it does. Fate and prob hax will prevent GER from using his hax. That's the beauty of fate hax, just create a fate where GER doesn't use it. And since it's not automatic cus he has infinite on his profile yeah...
3. That's just a statement, it was never shown that Diavolo's stuff was getting 0ed before he even did them. Nothing points to it.
4. That's under the effect of time skip which he resisted/infinite speed through. Not fate hax that messes with all of his powers, though process, decisions etc without him realizing he's doing so.
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I feel like this should have been closed, but eh.
