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FiammaSlammaJamma vs King Hassan

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That is easily avoidable because all Diavolo has to do is not skip a full 10 seconds and he can skip in the short increments 9f when the attacks are going to happen. Diavolo's predictions are predetermined, so all he needs to do is attack at a time he has determined the Holy Right will not block, and erase time so that he can strike right out of it in that moment.
 
Diavolo will not be able to predict a time when HR will not block his attacks as HR doesn't need Fiamma's knowledge of an attack coming due to the orbital laster feat and is purely automatic.
 
yea but HR will always block it ignoring speed space power etc, and at the same time it will always attack using just enough power to beat him, does not matter what he skip cause HR is active all instances and does not have an intermediate action
 
So Time Erase would remove ~10 seconds and save Diavolo from Fiamma's intial strike from his perspective and in Fiamma perspective HR would perceive the threat and 1 shot seemngly killing him. However due to already targeting the threat in Time Erase the moment it ends auto purpose willl instantly activate and strike, killing Diavolo without Fiamma knowing what happened. Essentaily the moment he stops his ability he's being hit instantly this is also not accounting for Fiamma's teleportation combos. I vote Fiamma.
 
Considering that fiamma would teleport to the other side of the planet instantly how exactly is Diavolo going to reach him before he gets too tired and faces the holy right hook

Diavolos precog isn't passive he has to activate it and king crimson as they are two separate abilities now while he may not have to watch all 5 seconds of the future the time he takes to activate it is enough for fiamma to tp to the other side of the world which is a gg as diavolo would have to spam kc in order to not get hit with the holy right which would then tire him out and let him get hit eventually

Diavolos first move is epitaph which is his precog not randomly erasing time as that wouldn't help him

To make this worse there are some times where it was shown that diavolo has to look into his bangs to use epitaph which increases the activation time even more however even if you say he doesn't have to look I to his bangs activating epitaph gives fiamma enough time to tp in which case he wins

I forgot about the auto defense as well so yeah what zen said is right too
 
Holy Right can also hit without any projectile or physical attack. It can simply wave in the direction of the target and then the target gets destroyed.
 
Depends on distance, first of all, Diavolo can't spam it that fast, in order to attack, Diavolo must stop his time spam, which was why he got hurt when he attacked Polnareff.

KC's ephitah and time erase are strong abilities, but they are only strong in the first strike, if he misses that first hit, he is ******.

If he is close enough to Fiamma to time erase and chest punch at the perfect time, he can win, otherwise he loses.

So roughly, Diavolo wins if he can sneak within 5Ms, otherwise, Fiamma wins no problem.
 
Zensum said:
So Time Erase would remove ~10 seconds and save Diavolo from Fiamma's intial strike from his perspective and in Fiamma perspective HR would perceive the threat and 1 shot seemngly killing him. However due to already targeting the threat in Time Erase the moment it ends auto purpose willl instantly activate and strike, killing Diavolo without Fiamma knowing what happened. Essentaily the moment he stops his ability he's being hit instantly this is also not accounting for Fiamma's teleportation combos. I vote Fiamma.
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First off, no. Diavolo usually does not erase a full 10 seconds needlessly because it leaves open a blind spot. Second, King Crimson had no cool down. He sees he is about to get attacks again, and he just erases time again. He was able to react to a being with infinite speed just by virtue of always acting before the other did. The points in time that Diavolo are going to be killed or attacked are predetermined by fate, so Diavolo must simply erase these points. HR not landing its points due to erased time does not change that
 
Malox1696 said:
yea but HR will always block it ignoring speed space power etc, and at the same time it will always attack using just enough power to beat him, does not matter what he skip cause HR is active all instances and does not have an intermediate actio
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He reacted to a being with infinite speed just by virtue of always acting first. When he will attack is already predetermined. Its raw power and speed do not matter here
 
Cool. The same "Raw Power and Speed" do not matter to Holy Right too. It just uses the best way to simply destroy the target. It doesn't even need to actually hit he target. It can completely go "lol whats distance?" and instantly cause destruction on the target. Its not AP based, it simply destroys.
 
Yeah. It doesn't matter, because the times he is going to attack is predetermined and he must simply skip over these times. It has not shown the ability to work in a circumstance like King Crimson
 
Btw, if Diavolo somehow bypasses HR, Fiamma can still survive. You know... Healing Miracle is a thing.
 
Also, Diavolo "skips" HR > Diavolo stops for a moment to check the future > HR one shots before he can even activate due to being automatic and targeting him the moment he shows up.
 
I don't see any passives on Fiamma's profile, just multiple instances of automatic instinctive reaction. This doesn't help because Diavolo's donut maker is unavoidable, unreactable and uncounterable under normal circumstances and without prior knowledge or speed perks.
 
Holy Right is actually passive. Fiamma didn't have it on when the laser attacked him. Holy Right turned itself on and simply destroyed the satelite. completely ignoring the concept of distance and without a projectile.
 
It still has to react to an action. Diavolo's attack isn't something you react to since the moment it happened got erased and HR can't do anything about an attack that happened in erased time.
 
@Iapitus The '~' was meant to mean around/at most 10 seconds not he would use it like that each time. He has no cooldown but he does have a duration limit. This would mean he can never attack since he would never predict a blind spot as auto target is instant. This would just go on untill he gets hit by attempting to attack or is hit in the time between using crimson over and over again. This also ignores the other attacks Fiamma could use with teleportation.
 
SchroKatze said:
Also, Diavolo "skips" HR > Diavolo stops for a moment to check the future > HR one shots before he can even activate due to being automatic and targeting him the moment he shows up.
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Epitaph makes him nigh unblitzable in that regard. Epitaph is always on so long as his stand is summoned, and he will always know that he needs to erase an incoming attack 10 seconds in advance. If he can barely react to something with infinite speed then reacting to the holy right is no issue
 
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@Iapitus The '~' was meant to mean around/at most 10 seconds not he would use it like that each time. He has no cooldown but he does have a duration limit. This would mean he can never attack since he would never predict a blind spot as auto target is instant. This would just go on untill he gets hit by attempting to attack or is hit in the time between using crimson over and over again. This also ignores the other attacks Fiamma could use with teleportation.
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The points where the holy right will attack are predetermined. Even auto defensors have issues with attacking straight out of the gate, since from their perspective, the time to defend hasn't come yet. If he attacks straight out of erased time then he can attack at what seems to be instantaneous speed as well
 
Anyways. Fiamma starts with tp + passive strike/defense. If KC goes "no u" and skips time, Fiamma would already be way outside of KC's physical range and HR would go "*Presses Victory Button*"
 
@Iapitus Whether its predetermined or not isnt the issue. The HR auto target isn't based or dependant on anything Fiamma is doing. His attack out of erased time wouldn't even be allowed to encroach on Fiamma's position.
 
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@Iapitus Whether its predetermined or not isnt the issue. The HR auto target isn't based or dependant on anything Fiamma is doing. His attack out of erased time wouldn't even be allowed to encroach on Fiamma's position.
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He can encroach while he is in erased time, and then do what he did to Bruno; Attack right as time is being restored to attack basically instantly
 
@Iapitus My post is refering to when erased time is over. The Auto Target would actually strike instantly, his speed and distance is irrelivant when time erase ends. Bruno was just blindsided because he couldn't react to Diavolo's suprise attack. Here Fiamma neither has a blindspot nor the need to react.
 
In what sense? Either way, now we have Diavolo striking instantly out of erased time and HR doing the same. Diavolo wasn't just a surprise attack, when he attacks straight out of erased time its basically instant, like when he took Trish so fast it appeared to be teleportation. Let's also not forget that he can note clip Fiamma into a fall like he did to Narancia as well. He may not usually be able to attack in erased time, but he can do that.
 
Scans of Diavolo being able to attack in erased time? The fall can be easily teleported out of. Diavolo's attack also isn't instant in the same sense as Fiamma's is as Fiamma's attack ignores the concept of speed and space entirely.
 
@lapitus Speed is irrelivant in the sense that auto target regulates itself to Diavolo's speed and one shots. Diavolo isnt using an instant attack, it's just him making his regular attack the moment time returns to normal in his opponents blindspot. It would seem instant to Fiamma but his senses and knowledge are irrelivant here. He can't attack in erased time and why would he do that if Fiamma can just teleport?
 
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