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Like, that thing is "programed" to attack whenever there is harm towards Fiamma. Im not sure how fatehax would work against it tho
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Fiamma vs Yogiri
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Does it stop people from being able to attack him or something?
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Yes. Example being Yukimasa Aihara, Romiko and Vahanato
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It turns every possibility into his victory. (It's also at the top of a hierarchy of plot and fate manipulation which exists in the verse; including Yukimasa Aihara, Mei Hanamiya, Rick (Instant Death), and Aoi Hayanose)
Meaning every possibility becomes one where he wins.
Meaning every possibility becomes one where he wins.
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Then Yogiri wins I guess.
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The text under his fate manip says the reason fate ends with him winning is because if he ''thinks'' he wants to kill someone they die. Which we already figured.
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Not quite. Aoi literally saw with her ability that she would lose thorugh every possibility
Same thing with Yukimasa. The guy could control fate and the fate of people, but then Fate itself denied his actions and his ability just to make Yogiri win again
Same thing with Yukimasa. The guy could control fate and the fate of people, but then Fate itself denied his actions and his ability just to make Yogiri win again
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I have serious doubts on Yogiri being able to kill HR. If a High 1-C couldn't fully negate HR then I doubt a 2-B is gonna manage to kill it. ( at least going by the profile.)
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Imagine Breaker couldnt fully negate Holy Right because of its constant supply of power coming from Fiamma, which is a weakness of IB. But Touma was still technically negating itThe Prince of Counters said:
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The Aoi passage on the profile gave that reasoning.Oblivion Of The Endless said:
To oppose such a person, it was fate, it was an outline couldn't be a joke. It was absurd to even consider fighting that. Just by him thinking he wanted to kill, it was said that the opposing would die.'
Is there text about the Yogiri instance?
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"Once she had become aware of it, she wasn't able to divert her consciousness, but just kept being exposed to the fear.
It was a dead end.
It was the destination where fate would always end up, there was nothing ahead there.
Everything was taking the form of that man there in the end.
That person stands until the end, as it was his demise.
No one was able to do anything beyond that person.
To oppose such a person, it was fate, it was an outline which couldn't not be a joke.
It was absurd to even consider fighting that."
It was a dead end.
It was the destination where fate would always end up, there was nothing ahead there.
Everything was taking the form of that man there in the end.
That person stands until the end, as it was his demise.
No one was able to do anything beyond that person.
To oppose such a person, it was fate, it was an outline which couldn't not be a joke.
It was absurd to even consider fighting that."
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I am sorry but, that doesn't sound like fate being in his side, just that he would always win. Which with his powers, is obviously not an hyperbole.
Even if you said "then why doesn't the fate stuff of the other people affect him?", then that just means he's resistant.
Even if you said "then why doesn't the fate stuff of the other people affect him?", then that just means he's resistant.
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"Takatou Yogiri's like him, you can't kill an existence whose destiny value is high. He won't die if he was shot by Sugitani Zenjubo, he doesn't die if he fights on the front line amongst the soldiers, and he doesn't die if you attack recklessly in the canyon. From the enemy's point of view, it's just a cheat. But, there is a way to kill him even if he's like that." (Aoi) (ED: Sugitani Zenjubo was a ninja of debatable origin who attempted to snipe Nobunaga. After his failed assassination attempt, he went into hiding, but was later found and executed.)LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
"Is that similar to the Honnoji incident?" (Hanakawa)
"Yes. In order to kill the existence that is protected by fate, we must use destiny. Just trying to kill him in a blatant way is no good. That is, if he dies here, the surroundings will get more dramatic and rouse up. Fate prefers more interesting situations. I will create a situation where his death is more interesting." (Aoi)
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Does that actually happen at all? Like, him dying when interesting things happen? Becuase otherwise, that could easily be interpreted as "fate" being the fact that he was left with such powers. And indeed, no matter what anyone could do, I don't see them circumventing the Sensing Threats->Thought-based Death Manip, which can work on things and people both.
Also... huh, if that's enough for fate manip, Sengoku Youko may actually get it.
Also... huh, if that's enough for fate manip, Sengoku Youko may actually get it.
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That doesn't mean Fate manipulation, it's just bypassing fate manipulation.
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The "thing dying when interesting stuff happens" is a thing that happens to existence whose destiny value is high. Examples being Sword Saints like Rick (Instant Death)LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
And yet Aoi discovered (in the worst way) that altering destiny and creating interesting situations with her own fatehax/plothax wasnt enough to overpower his fate protection or take him down
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Uh, Aoi literally said he is protected by fateThe Prince of Counters said:
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At that point it is sounding much less like fate protection and much more like outright resistance. Because if fate is more or less not acting like she's used to seeing it, is it actually fate or Yogiri disregarding fate?
Granted it doesn't change much, either Yogiri wins or this is an Incon for Fiamma.
Granted it doesn't change much, either Yogiri wins or this is an Incon for Fiamma.
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... that statement is kinda contradicted within the same sentence. "He's protected by Fate but we can kill him with destiny." Fate and Density are interchange terms.
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Aoi's main ability is to take down people who is protected by fate by manipulating the "between the lines" of fate itselfThe Prince of Counters said:
She is like, someone who can kill people with fate stuff by manipulating their fate stuff. Its weird
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Doesn't seem like fate manip because it references how insurmountable his death hax is whenever it refers to the "always win" bit.
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Is high destiny value existence actually about fate bending over backwards for you, or about great power making you extremely influencial in fate? Because if the girl saw all "possibilities", then they are obviously a thing and fate isn't fixed or unmalleable.
Like, does anything point towards it the first one being the definition?
Like, does anything point towards it the first one being the definition?
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Refer to the other quotes aboveStrongClick said:
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Why they gotta torment my curious side and not show some sure fire combo not being enough because of fate shenanigans? Like how it works and stuff?
Uuuuuuugh, damn fictioooooon
Uuuuuuugh, damn fictioooooon
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Does op not read the rules ? This would end a stomp either way why the **** are u still adding votes
It's not inconclusive, inclusive is when both arguments have reasonable chance and so it's 50/50 this is really not the case
If the argument are for both "blitz to death" by definition of the server rule is stomp , stop adding votes or close this, or if u really don't want I can call a mod
It's not inconclusive, inclusive is when both arguments have reasonable chance and so it's 50/50 this is really not the case
If the argument are for both "blitz to death" by definition of the server rule is stomp , stop adding votes or close this, or if u really don't want I can call a mod
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No reason for him to call a Mod.
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Im pretty sure since this is a "They both one shot at the same time" its Incon thats quite common here.
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So, this is a stomp?
Couldn't Fiamna still kill Yogiri if he was faster, making this not a stomp?
Couldn't Fiamna still kill Yogiri if he was faster, making this not a stomp?
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