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Like, that thing is "programed" to attack whenever there is harm towards Fiamma. Im not sure how fatehax would work against it tho
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Imagine Breaker couldnt fully negate Holy Right because of its constant supply of power coming from Fiamma, which is a weakness of IB. But Touma was still technically negating itThe Prince of Counters said:I have serious doubts on Yogiri being able to kill HR. If a High 1-C couldn't fully negate HR then I doubt a 2-B is gonna manage to kill it. ( at least going by the profile.)
The Aoi passage on the profile gave that reasoning.Oblivion Of The Endless said:Not quite. Aoi literally saw with her ability that she would lose thorugh every possibility
Same thing with Yukimasa. The guy could control fate and the fate of people, but then Fate itself denied his actions and his ability just to make Yogiri win again
"Takatou Yogiri's like him, you can't kill an existence whose destiny value is high. He won't die if he was shot by Sugitani Zenjubo, he doesn't die if he fights on the front line amongst the soldiers, and he doesn't die if you attack recklessly in the canyon. From the enemy's point of view, it's just a cheat. But, there is a way to kill him even if he's like that." (Aoi) (ED: Sugitani Zenjubo was a ninja of debatable origin who attempted to snipe Nobunaga. After his failed assassination attempt, he went into hiding, but was later found and executed.)LSirLancelotDuLacl said:I am sorry but, that doesn't sound like fate being in his side, just that he would always win. Which with his powers, is obviously not an hyperbole.
Even if you said "then why doesn't the fate stuff of the other people affect him?", then that just means he's resistant.
The "thing dying when interesting stuff happens" is a thing that happens to existence whose destiny value is high. Examples being Sword Saints like Rick (Instant Death)LSirLancelotDuLacl said:Does that actually happen at all? Like, him dying when interesting things happen? Becuase otherwise, that could easily be interpreted as "fate" being the fact that he was left with such powers. And indeed, no matter what anyone could do, I don't see them circumventing the Sensing Threats->Thought-based Death Manip, which can work on things and people both.
Also... huh, if that's enough for fate manip, Sengoku Youko may actually get it.
Uh, Aoi literally said he is protected by fateThe Prince of Counters said:That doesn't mean Fate manipulation, it's just bypassing fate manipulation.
We accept it as both resistance and Yogiri having fate manipulation of his own. Because he's stated to be protected by fate and be a "high destiny value existence"LSirLancelotDuLacl said:At that point it is sounding much less like fate protection and much more like outright resistance. Because if fate is more or less not acting like she's used to seeing it, is it actually fate or Yogiri disregarding fate?
Granted it doesn't change much, either Yogiri wins or this is an Incon for Fiamma.
Aoi's main ability is to take down people who is protected by fate by manipulating the "between the lines" of fate itselfThe Prince of Counters said:... that statement is kinda contradicted within the same sentence. "He's protected by Fate but we can kill him with destiny." Fate and Density are interchange terms.
Refer to the other quotes aboveStrongClick said:Doesn't seem like fate manip because it references how insurmountable his death hax is whenever it refers to the "always win" bit.
YesLSirLancelotDuLacl said:Is high destiny value existence actually about fate bending over backwards for you, or about great power making you extremely influencial in fate? Because if the girl saw all "possibilities", then they are obviously a thing and fate isn't fixed or unmalleable.
Like, does anything point towards it the first one being the definition?
Fiamma doesn't need to think though? HR act on its own regardless of what Fiamma think. He can stop it in a certain situation though.Livinmeme said:okay this is happen fiamna thinks to kill yogiri but after he thinks ID activate