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God I wish, let everyone go free from that hellFGO Nonexistent?
Kama was because she lack existence along with her concept she became a void on a conceptual level or she became a void that lacked a concept or she lacked existence on a conceptual level whatever whateverIs there any Fate that has nep2?
Is Kama still nep2? Give me a reason.
void that lacked a concept is nep 1 aspect 2 not straight with condition nonexistent physiology type 2 new ?Kama was because she lack existence along with her concept she became a void on a conceptual level or she became a void that lacked a concept or she lacked existence on a conceptual level whatever whatever
Just re-checked the nep 2 can't understand it, it seems vague but from what I got type 2 characters (in the new nep) are just characters that exist further beyond into non-existence as opposed to type 1 characters who just lack "that certain aspect"void that lacked a concept is nep 1 aspect 2 not straight with condition nonexistent physiology type 2 new ?
This is not NEP type 2Kama was because she lack existence along with her concept she became a void on a conceptual level or she became a void that lacked a concept or she lacked existence on a conceptual level whatever whatever
Then define nep 2This is not NEP type 2
Says the same thing implicitly not literallyAlso sçans says something else.
Character needs to be neither existence nor non Existence to get NEP type 2.Then define nep 2
No Kama scans only states about she being erased on Conceptual level and being a Void nothing else.Says the same thing implicitly not literally
What... It being neither existence nor non existence is attributed to the character existing further beyond into nonexistence the premise of my explanation was that she does infact exist further beyond into nonexistenceCharacter needs to be neither existence nor non Existence to get NEP type 2.
Upon being erased she became a void nothing said when she came back she regained her concept that's the point implications exist that's why I said implicitlyNo Kama scans only states about she being erased on Conceptual level and being a Void nothing else.
I don't know what you are trying to sayWhat... It being neither existence nor non existence is attributed to the character existing further beyond into nonexistence the premise of my explanation was that she does infact exist further beyond into nonexistence
Feel free to drop the scans here for her being a nothingness/ void ín the first place then the statement for her being deeper nothingness/ void which is neither existence nor non existent. Her profile scans doens't states anything like that.Upon being erased she became a void nothing said when she came back she regained her concept that's the point implications exist that's why I said implicitly
This is not even type 1.You have indeed understood, Parvati. Ananga, I am no longer bodiless.
To the very core of my being. Until the body and the concept become fuzzy.
Ok this may qualify for type 3. I don't see how this is type 2. Where is the proof for her being a existence who exists beyond existence of existence 1 and non existent 0.Suppose there is a "void" in front of you, left over from Shiva's burning. Now, what is it?
This is not a refutation. You don't know what im saying I'm explaining to you what's the basis of it being regarded as neither 1 nor 0I don't know what you are trying to say
1 is existence and 0 is non existent
Type 2 are neither both of these and exists in a state where you need Seperate feats for Damaging or interacting with them.
What you said you know of the scans that mention her being a void why should I drop such scans if you acknowledge that such scans existFeel free to drop the scans here for her being a nothingness/ void ín the first place
It doesn't have to say that already explained why abovevoid which is neither existence nor non existent.
Calling something a wank yet being incapable of disproving that wank just looks bad on your part not the "wankers" part I don't understand what's with this obsession of calling people wankers just because they have a different interpretation of thingsThat's pure wank
Where tf did you even get that scan tf did you even use to translate thatThis is not even type 1.
Her not just being a void by conventional means (lacking a body) but something more than that (lacking a body and a concept) if you want such scans I'll send later cause I'm busy rnWhere is the proof for her being a existence who exists beyond existence of existence 1 and non existent 0.
No scans ≠ Burden of Proof and Argument from Belief. Case closed you dropping long paragraphs won't prove anything.This is not a refutation. You don't know what im saying I'm explaining to you what's the basis of it being regarded as neither 1 nor 0
What you said you know of the scans that mention her being a void why should I drop such scans if you acknowledge that such scans exist
It doesn't have to say that already explained why above
Why are you pissed ? I said the ability is wanked not that you wanked it.Calling something a wank yet being incapable of disproving that wank just looks bad on your part not the "wankers" part I don't understand what's with this obsession of calling people wankers just because they have a different interpretation of things
I checked the scans in the profile nothing else. If that's the case drop the scans in wiki translation thread and update it for now it looks like a wank to me.Where tf did you even get that scan tf did you even use to translate that
Scans only backs up NEP type 3 not type 2.Her not just being a void by conventional means (lacking a body) but something more than that (lacking a body and a concept) if you want such scans I'll send later cause I'm busy rn
You reply like an npc I don't understand why debaters are like this straight up npcsNo scans ≠ Burden of Proof and Argument from Belief. Case closed you dropping long paragraphs won't prove anything.
I'm defending it not being wanked so that's indirectly saying I'm wanking it too genius?? Much??Why are you pissed ? I said the ability is wanked not that you wanked it.
Argument from Belieflooks like a wank to me.
P1=Kama gets erased by shinzalacking a body
P4=talking ab Shiva eradicating Kama stating on a conceptual levellacking a body and a concept
P5=considering Kama got eradicated like that returned and still remained formless and still remained as a void as she once was when she was eradicated on a conceptual level there's absolutely no to affirm that she still has her concept that would be baselessScans only backs up NEP type 3 not type 2
Basically, the character's neither part of existence and neither nonexistent.Just re-checked the nep 2 can't understand it, it seems vague but from what I got type 2 characters (in the new nep) are just characters that exist further beyond into non-existence as opposed to type 1 characters who just lack "that certain aspect"
If Existent is 1 and Nonexistent is 0, then aren't being categorize as both of them (AKA Neither 0 and 1) then it's NEP Nature type 2.Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. Characters of this type often have some low degree of Transduality due to their lack of binary existence. Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence.
Her profile isn't updated, but given the current reasoning and because I couldn't read the scan (It's Japanese with no translation).Is Kama still nep2? Give me a reason
Not ab to respond to the same argument again I already addressed this, tis some nitpicking to the fullest type 2 being neither 1 nor 0 is attributed to it being beyond conventional nonexistence this is literally what they say after they say the character is neither 1 nor 0 Kama lacks both her body and concept that's why I said she's not just some conventional void because of that already said this above not about respond againIf Existent is 1 and Nonexistent is 0, then aren't being categorize as both of them (AKA Neither 0 and 1) then it's NEP Nature type 2.
Well type 2 is not, exist neither both existance or nonexistance. But lack of both. Its nonexistance but the (concept/essense) nonexistance it self cannot describe it as nonexistanceType 2 are neither both of these and exists in a state where you need Seperate feats for Damaging or interacting with them.
Conventional nothingness/void is not just describe as lacking physical/body, and lacking a physical and metaphysical/abstraction (concept) is not something (nothing) that out of conventional nothingnessHer not just being a void by conventional means (lacking a body) but something more than that (lacking a body and a concept) if you want such scans I'll send later cause I'm busy rn
Not enough for nep 2also i hear her NEP is more deeper nothingness
How is she still a part of the concept of nothingness if she has no concept that sounds like contradictory antecedents the conclusion you're saying conventional nothingness is nothing that still exist within the concept of nothingness indirectly attesting for some character being that despite that character lacking a concept how can she be part of the concept of nothingness of she lacks a conceptConventional in this is mean nothingness that still nothing or more simple is still in the part of universal idea/concept of nothingness, its not outside the nothingness it self
Yeah, learn again about the mean of beyond conventional nonexistenceNot enough for nep 2
Also nep2 "The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence."
Well so let we just delete NEP 2 because its just NEP with aspect type 2How is she still a part of the concept of nothingness if she has no concept that sounds like contradictory antecedents the conclusion you're saying conventional nothingness is nothing that still exist within the concept of nothingness indirectly attesting for some character being that despite that character lacking a concept how can she be part of the concept of nothingness of she lacks a concept
Bro, I don't understand you.Not ab to respond to the same argument again I already addressed this, tis some nitpicking to the fullest type 2 being neither 1 nor 0 is attributed to it being beyond conventional nonexistence this is literally what they say after they say the character is neither 1 nor 0 Kama lacks both her body and concept that's why I said she's not just some conventional void because of that already said this above not about respond again
But when people try to correct you, you refuse their inputs (?)Just re-checked the nep 2 can't understand it, it seems vague but from what I got type 2 characters (in the new nep) are just characters that exist further beyond into non-existence as opposed to type 1 characters who just lack "that certain aspect"
Suppose I say I understand it does that mean I understand it? You're saying you understand it but it doesn't mean you understand it lol we're giving two interpretations of what it is just because you say you understand it doesn't mean your interpretation is automatically above mine what?Bro, I don't understand you.
You said you don't understand NEP 2:
I don't think there's some colloquial definition of conventional nonexistence other then your interpretation of it and mine what's your point exactly where can I learn ab the meaning of conventional nonexistence from you?Yeah, learn again about the mean of beyond conventional nonexistence
Ah yes how every vsbw thread function clashing of interpretations "mineeee is superior but I won't adequately provide a refutation for yours nobody cares stfu we are removing set thing haha" sure you can btw perhaps after you provide actual refutations this is all just equal interpretations we aren't Goin anywhere nobody is tipping the preponderance of the evidence on its scaleWell so let we just delete NEP 2 because its just NEP with aspect type 2
Brother what are you even saying rephrase in a more intelligible way also by we who's we tryna understand and what's really all the basis of this then again I can't respond to this properly cause I don't understand what you saidBruh you must learn again, by default we not include the concept of nothingness to the statement of "all concept".
Context conveyed like this??The author must explain if there are the concept of nothingness that the character lack of,
With the amount of times members of the wiki spam nlf even in situations where it's not even applicable I'm starting to question if yall even know the definition of nfl....not then it will NLF to assume if the character is lack of that concept
Pretty insignificant point not really gonna respond I've provided refutations that are adequateAnd when i say about lack of idea/concept of nothingness, its mean lack of any level of nothingness, so nothingness it self cannot describe what "nothingness" it is
But but by definition that's beyond conventional nonexistenceIf you describe as deeper nothing, you just up to one level of nothingness by default. Just layer of NEP 1,3
Like I said this is a clash of interpretations lol saying you're "correcting" me is presupposing your interpretation is correct but you can't even provide valid inferences that supersede my inferences for my interpretations so exactly how am I supposed to take input from somebody that blatantly contradicts what's actually in the definitionBut when people try to correct you, you refuse their inputs (?)
Suppose I say I understand it does that mean I understand it? You're saying you understand it but it doesn't mean you understand it lol we're giving two interpretations of what it is just because you say you understand it doesn't mean your interpretation is automatically above mine what?
No need to get hostile, buddy.Like I said this is a clash of interpretations lol saying you're "correcting" me is presupposing your interpretation is correct but you can't even provide valid inferences that supersede my inferences for my interpretations so exactly how am I supposed to take input from somebody that blatantly contradicts what's actually in the definition
If you don't understand it, that would mean you have doubt on your interpretation.Just re-checked the nep 2 can't understand it, it seems vague but from what I got type 2 characters (in the new nep) are just characters that exist further beyond into non-existence as opposed to type 1 characters who just lack "that certain aspect"
Can you qoute the part where I was being hostile yall just be saying things lmao I only called someone illiterate that was once and that's mb because I was in a bad mood but that's it lmaoNo need to get hostile, buddy.
Suppose I don't understand it it automatically imply you do duh genius right? Also the only reason why I said that is because from what I read I got a different interpretation from the others after that I realize that these set people in question have contradictory views of it hence I started to believe more in my interpretation nun wrong with that gangIf you say you don't understand it then I take it that you don't understand it, simple, no? It's not my word who say you don't understand NEP 2, it's you yourself who say you don't understand it.
Because you have no other way to go around what I say you're gonna create circular arguments reiterating that you don't understand it! you don't understand it! Even tho I changed my views later after seeing how the person who responded to me held contradictory views of nep 2 meaning I started to doubt his and believe in mineIf you don't understand it, that would mean you have doubt on your interpretation
I don't think you can say you understand it if your views of it are seemingly self defeating also I've displayed how your views of it don't suggest that you actually understand it that's it can't we have an actual charitable discussion on this without stating a argument when it's refuted you say just say oh I understand it I understand which is just you presupposing you understand but without basis....People who understand it came to help to clear that doubt with kind intention on mind to help
I don't like the answer yes that's why I'm suggesting we have a charitable discussion on that why are you treating my answers to your interpretations as something like baseless answers or ignorance towards what you said even tho I responded properly to all of them refuting themIf you don't like their answer or refuse to accept them, that's on you
Okay how ab this can you show me where I was being hostile btw? I'm open minded to that cause if I'm being genuine it just seems like because I disagree with certain people here and I respond in detail giving reasons as to why I think you're wrong is being treated as me being hostile or belittling othersBut no need to get hostile and belittle others.
I might concede anyways tbh I'm not even feeling this anymore just because someone disagrees with vsbw members they're are apparently being toxic literally reread the entire I was never hostile neither did I belittle anyone only did that once this is why ion **** with vsbwNo need to get hostile, buddy.
If you say you don't understand it then I take it that you don't understand it, simple, no? It's not my word who say you don't understand NEP 2, it's you yourself who say you don't understand it.
If you don't understand it, that would mean you have doubt on your interpretation.
People who understand it came to help to clear that doubt with kind intention on mind to help.
If you don't like their answer or refuse to accept them, that's on you.
But no need to get hostile and belittle others.
We not use colloqoial definition in here, and yeah there are no conventional nothingness in colloqial definition. Its term in VSB, so you must use VsB definitionI don't think there's some colloquial definition of conventional nonexistence other then your interpretation of it and mine what's your point exactly where can I learn ab the meaning of conventional nonexistence from you?
Ight I got you hey learn the meaning of beyond conventional nonexistence from me that's the one I gave you
Everything here is just interpretations clashing yall aren't doin much to provide refutations
Interpretations?? I dont use interpret here. What i say its the real definition of thatAh yes how every vsbw thread function clashing of interpretations "mineeee is superior but I won't adequately provide a refutation for yours nobody cares stfu we are removing set thing haha" sure you can btw perhaps after you provide actual refutations this is all just equal interpretations we aren't Goin anywhere nobody is tipping the preponderance of the evidence on its scale
Brother what are you even saying rephrase in a more intelligible way also by we who's we tryna understand and what's really all the basis of this then again I can't respond to this properly cause I don't understand what you said
First learn about NLFContext conveyed like this??
P1=character X is formless
P2=character X is a void
P3=character X also lacks a concept
Lol if a character lacks a "concept" yet still has the concept of nothingness that's a contradiction in the antecedent so no it doesn't work like that buddy that's going against what the actual context says
The author would've said this character has a different concept that concept is the very concept of nothingness but being said to lack a concept in the actual source material then some random guy in the wiki decides to still apply the concept of nothingness to that character simply because they feel like it is insane to do better
Well this situations is clearly NLF, because by default we not include concept of nothing to verse that has statement "all concept" or "not have concept"With the amount of times members of the wiki spam nlf even in situations where it's not even applicable I'm starting to question if yall even know the definition of nfl....
Yeah because your brain not understand itPretty insignificant point not really gonna respond I've provided refutations that are adequate
But in every NEP 2 CRT we talikng about itBut but by definition that's beyond conventional nonexistence
Now we going against the wiki definitions
Brother I didn't see any vsbw definition of conventional nothingness only got a definition from you that's it should I trust it? Idk why would I trust it, you just threw it there with no basis there is no definition of conventional in vsbw so I don't get what you're tryna say by vsbw definitionWe not use colloqoial definition in here, and yeah there are no conventional nothingness in colloqial definition. Its term in VSB, so you must use VsB definition
Brother to read and understand a definition "real definition" or whatever that is you have to first interpret it everything in the world has to be interpreted what do you mean you don't use interpretations interpretations are important you subconsciously interpret stuff all the time as a human being lmao you interpret interpretations as not being used and only real definition that's your interpretation we all subconsciously interpret stuff that's how we get to understand the external worldInterpretations?? I dont use interpret here. What i say its the real definition of that
Uhhh no I don't think you can tier 0 with nonexistent Physiology that's not a good analogy also you replied to my message without addressing it just with something else and threw in the word nlf where it wasn't even Inapplicable when I say it's Inapplicable you don't even try to make it applicable you say learn nlf then make some arbitrary analogy talking ab stuff that's unrelated to the threadFirst learn about NLF
Or you just can easly tier 0 and have every power and ability in this wiki by just conceptual manipulation
Gave you a syllogism on how paradoxical it would be to suggest that she has a concept of nothingness lmao just throwing in nlf isn't a refutation already said this also wdym all concept or not have concept I'm not saying she has all concepts I said she lacks a concept and is a void to say she has a concept of nothingness or she is that is the equivalent of saying she has a concept which is an immediate contradiction nlf is Inapplicable hereWell this situations is clearly NLF, because by default we not include concept of nothing to verse that has statement "all concept" or "not have concept"
Oh wow ig it's convenient for other members to be aggressive and jerks but it's not when it's certain members this wiki is in shambles yall gotta change the ways in which yall manage yall threads but ight broYeah because your brain not understand it
This is exactly what I'm saying lmao that contradicts the definition of nep 2 either yall give him nep 2 or the definition gets changed its as simple as that but idk if you'd count being deeper as being beyond conventional nonexistence if that's the case then it contradicts nep 2 itself to say a character is beyond conventional nonexistence which is what nep 2 is verbatim described as but still give him nep 1 either he gets nep 2 or the definition gets changed lolBut in every NEP 2 CRT we talikng about it
You can see yogiri profile, and see what he reasoning for his NEP. His NEP is deeper nothingness but he still NEP 1
I'm busy with college not follow threads everyday the obviously the best way to "learn" is to go the actual pages that say something different than what the characters pages suggestBruh i think you must more learn, firstly see this
Hah??? Bruh you just read the NEP page not read the entire discussion of that, you can just search NEP and then read that. And you can have what the conventional nothingness meaning. I even send you the thread for thatBrother I didn't see any vsbw definition of conventional nothingness only got a definition from you that's it should I trust it? Idk why would I trust it, you just threw it there with no basis there is no definition of conventional in vsbw so I don't get what you're tryna say by vsbw definition
There's no colloquial definition
No vsbw definition
Only your definition which is practically baseless because you barely explained how yours is supposed to be accepted
Bruh just read the discussion about thatBrother to read and understand a definition "real definition" or whatever that is you have to first interpret it everything in the world has to be interpreted what do you mean you don't use interpretations interpretations are important you subconsciously interpret stuff all the time as a human being lmao you interpret interpretations as not being used and only real definition that's your interpretation we all subconsciously interpret stuff that's how we get to understand the external world
And in this context we talking about "concept of nothingness" not NEP. You say if character has no concept, that character will also not have concept of nothingness, if not, then its will contradictUhhh no I don't think you can tier 0 with nonexistent Physiology that's not a good analogy also you replied to my message without addressing it just with something else and threw in the word nlf where it wasn't even Inapplicable when I say it's Inapplicable you don't even try to make it applicable you say learn nlf then make some arbitrary analogy talking ab stuff that's unrelated to the thread
And im not write "you say she has all concept". What i mean in here is concept of nothing is not common so we by default not include that to fiction/verse that have statement about "we lack/not have all concept" or "i create/destroy all concept" or like kama's description "not have a concept". Like i say above, if we use you logic its NLF. You even missunderstand or not understand something simple like thatGave you a syllogism on how paradoxical it would be to suggest that she has a concept of nothingness lmao just throwing in nlf isn't a refutation already said this also wdym all concept or not have concept I'm not saying she has all concepts I said she lacks a concept and is a void to say she has a concept of nothingness or she is that is the equivalent of saying she has a concept which is an immediate contradiction nlf is Inapplicable here
I just know that say your brain dont understand its aggressiveOh wow ig it's convenient for other members to be aggressive and jerks but it's not when it's certain members this wiki is in shambles yall gotta change the ways in which yall manage yall threads but ight bro
Bruh just read the thread i give. Yogiri's NEP is given by donttalkDT, that he is the person that create the current NEP. Now you wanna say you more knowledgeable about NEP than him??This is exactly what I'm saying lmao that contradicts the definition of nep 2 either yall give him nep 2 or the definition gets changed its as simple as that but idk if you'd count being deeper as being beyond conventional nonexistence if that's the case then it contradicts nep 2 itself to say a character is beyond conventional nonexistence which is what nep 2 is verbatim described as but still give him nep 1 either he gets nep 2 or the definition gets changed lol
Bruh that thread not have 1000 pages, its just shortI'm busy with college not follow threads everyday the obviously the best way to "learn" is to go the actual pages that say something different than what the characters pages suggest
Lmao ight anyways I already conceded stop being weird I can't speak on this anymore don't wanna be "aggressive"I just know that say your brain dont understand its aggressive