FGO Abilities Addition: FGO Mats VI Edition

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Just posting this on legit CRT to get this discussed properly.

Tomoe Gozen: Existence Erasure (Her second Noble Phantasm is stated to be an arrow of death that allows vaporization, evaporation and erasure)

Hozoin: Analytical Predictio (Capable of analyzing fighting spirit, bloodlust and intent of the opponent then making an attack that always hit first), Resistance to Precognition (No matter how much he uses the same attack, the chances of confirmed hit will be the same, making his attacks impossible to see it coming) and Analytical Predictio (His Noble Phantasm will be effective even when the opponent has skill like Instinct)

Danzou: Preparation (Capable of chipping away opponent's fighting prowess with prep), Inorganic Physiology (Type 1) and Damage Transferal (With her Noble Phantasm, when she cuts something, it will make an opponent's head to be decapitated as well)

Mecha Elizabeth: Damage Boost (Capable of boosting Noble Phantasm with sacrifice of her health), Self-Destruction (Elizabeth said that she can self-destruct), Forcefield Creation (Capable of creating fields with Final Eli-Chan), Heat Manipulation (Her tail is stated to have extreme heat), Fusionism and Weapon Creation (By fusing hundreds of mini Eli-Chans, she can create a giant spear) and Spatial Manipulation (With her Noble Phantasm, stated that she can compress space with a range of a part of Tokyo Dome without even having the support of the castle)

Mecha Elizabeth II: Same with Mecha Elizabeth.

Ereshkigal: Darkness Manipulation (She can turn anything to something very dark), Statistics Amplification (Can buff herself and allies), Self-Power Modification (Capable of changing the properties of her own Noble Phantasm), Earth Manipulation (Capable of causing earth impact and recreate Ebiph Mountain with her Noble Phantasm), Size Manipulation (Can grow on size comparable to the mountains with her Noble Phantasm) and Magma Manipulation (Capable of causing magma to spew from the ground with her Noble Phantasm)

Semiramis: Animal Manipulation (Capable of manipulating birds), Resistance Negation (Capable of causing debuff that brings down resistance to anyone with a myth that contains the opponent's instance to overcome poisons), Power Bestowal (Any beasts she summons has access to Sikera Ušum) and Damage Boost (Her poisons has boosted effects on those who died with poisons before)</div>

 

[Dysmity]

You can interpret shoumetsu µÂêµ╗à as complete disappearance/annhilation/elimination of the physical body due to her flames causing evaporation or outright erasure.

It just seems to me that her flames are so hot they turn whatever they touch into vapour hence why they mention the boiling and evaporating part

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Not really, the sentence isn't constructed that way, it's the same with Goetia's Skill that negates NP, it says the three ways it can turn you into, erasure included.

 

[Dysmity]

Nega Summon cancels Servants attack through invalidation, invincible, absorption, reduction. Basically all these methods are all used to negate NP not that he can use one of them

Same thing with the way the sentence is structured. It seems to imply more of a complete annhilation due to immense heat of her flames not erasure of one existence

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

flames so hot they erase your existence in the entirety

 

[Paul_Frank]

We already treat Zanka no Tachi like that

 

[John985]

I think Kojiro also qualify resistance to precog and analytical prediction.

Edit: I think analytical only because of Knowledge of Respect and Harmony.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Anyone with "mind eye (false/fake)" [the one that deals with experience, and not intuition] should probably get analytical predictions...

 

[Paul_Frank]

Eye of the mind false works the same way as true so they are both precog

The way they work isn't by analyzing anything the only difference is that false can't be obtained by normal people

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Oh I see...

 

[John985]

Concerning thread, agreed because gin already confirm these from the mats.

 

[Paul_Frank]

I also agree with the additions proposed in the op

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Agree.

 

[John985]

Translated Mats of Tomoe and Chiyome . Oh Chiyome still dont have a profile.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I agree with this too, for Tomoe case i kind of trusting Gin in this case, also:

@John Chiyome the forgotten one lel

 

[Dysmity]

I am fine with everything else sans Tomoe EE

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

agreed with all except EE fra

 

[Paul_Frank]

That statement would still be EE even if you say it's due to the heat though

 

[Dysmity]

You'd have to prove it actually means the erasure of one existence and not just some kind of thermal destruction

 

[Paul_Frank]

The structure of the sentence supports it being erasure though, the same way that Zanka no Tachi's statement does and it got EE

 

[Dysmity]

No it doesn't. All it says is that the flames boils, evaporates then vanishes any traces of whatever touches due to its immense heat. No mention of it erasing one being

Don't know Bleach so can't argue. Bring that up with them if that's the case

 

[Paul_Frank]

It says the flames lead to boiling, evaporation and finally erasure or annihilation which would still count as EE afaik

 

[Dysmity]

Shoumetsu never translates to erasure. Read the TL in reddit, they used extinction. Albeit that's not the main point. The main point is nothing indicates that their existence are also affected by the flames. This is moreso evident by the profile mentionning that it boils down and evaporates whatever it touches

Meanwhile (after looking at Yamamoto thread), Zanka no Tachi specifically states that no fire erupts from it, coupled with multiple statement of it nothingess and existence, means it has solid arguments for it. Unlike this which is based on one baseless word with no context/proof that it destroys one's existence

 

[Dysmity]

If we wanna be more specific, shoumetsu is different than other kanji words that means destruction like hakai. It is used for extinction/annhilation/disappearance of something due to a cause. In this instance, it's more like something vanishes/disappears/is gone because of her flames boiling then evaporating it

 

[Makkurona]

I think we can look into it more in Shimosa, either by trans or wait for the release in NA. But i agree more on disappearing caused by heat, not conceptual erasure

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

We need to conclude this EE issue for Tomoe, otherwise everyone already agree so it can be applied

 

[John985]

bump

 

[Makkurona]

I would vote no, because i never heard of Tomoe has such ability in Shimosa, and the descriptions only sound like super heat and evaporation.

 

[John985]

Some abilities are not shown in the story too, just look at David Sacrifice: Flames Upon the Altar. Or just w8 for that part in the manga adaptation.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Fine. Then EE is rejected. How about anything else?

 

[Dysmity]

As i said before, eveything sans EE is fine by me

 

[WHYNAUT]

Yeah everything else seems fine.

 

[John985]

bump