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I don't know what to think when I can't tell what is being calculated. Please don't just link to sites with terrible visuals just for a post that could have been copypasted here for better clarity.
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exactly what i want to know (read most of it but things got confusing towards the end), kekLephyrTheRevanchist said:So are Servant's getting downgraded? What are the conclusions?
lazy, not willing to read the entire thread ovo </div>
Huh I was on the impression that the calcs are still in the process of being accepted or put on hold though.DragonEmperor23 said:@Rin
I figured we could first scale the servants that have fought Herc evenly (Asterios, for example) or have been stated to be comparable. Then we could decide on if using the Fate Parameters for Strength is consistent in verse and then apply scaling to those who have similar stats to Herc. Then we can apply scaling to those who fought people comparable to Herc.
@Everyone
I was looking through the thread again, this calc was accepted, so what do you guys think about scaling it to other NPs or in general? It was discussed for a few comments but then it was dropped, probably distracted since DMUA had finished the recalc around then.
From the comments, it seemed he disagreed with it scaling to people and not the math.Schnee One said:@Dragon
Rep disagreed with it
The only calc that used to be used for NPs was the outdated Excalibur feat, I think. There's no jump there cause there isn't anything else that it could be. Unless you were talking about Servants physically, but there aren't any Servants that can scale physically to the full force of a Noble Phantasm. (Plus there are ranks for Noble Phantasms and Caladbolg is pretty high up there so if those ranks/parameters are accepted we could use the numbers to downscale).Rin The Dragon Empress said:The suggestion looks good but I'm not sure about scaling that to other NP's after all the jump from 7-A to High 6-C is pretty massive. Unless there's something that'll support High 6-C if there is it should be fine.
But I was using Asterios vs Herc as an example of why they were consistent...LSirLancelotDuLacl said:I see no reason why the ranks couldn't be used as they are rarely not consistent. Cases like Heracles versus Asterios are more exemptions rather than the rule. Perhaps finding a C rank Noble Phantasm to scale the Servants to? Its old but there was something about a pure damage NP without special effects of C rank being comparable to a Rank A attack.
Also Dragon, where did this Raikou versus Ushi battle you spoke about that seemingly renders the stats nonsense happen? I'd like some context.
She scales to Arcueid.AguilaR101 said:Aoko doesn't have feats on tier 7 though, she is 7-A by scaling to servants in the first place.
That is not an answer. You just dodged the question.Paul Frank said:Because Arc's feat is casual with what is basically her base power she doesn't really vary that much besides being much weaker in Tsukihime since Shiki killed her
Didn't Aoko fight servants in Extra, I don't remember
This is hardly more than speculation. I don't know why we should accept this at face value when Arc not only has several keys, but is also said to equal 4 Servants which is extremely vague in description. Not to mention you still haven't shown anything beyond pointing out her feat, when we're discussing why Servants should scale to her.Paul Frank said:"But why would you want to to scale to Arc, who actually varies a lot in power?"
Because that feat was casual, she doesn't vary in power that much besides when she is Archetype Earth or during Tsukihime. She has also fought servants before in addition to scaling to people who scale to servants.
How is that not a good answer? If Aoko fought servants she fought servants and scales to them