Kama Profile Revamp

[BreezeHM]

Kama's profile has been fixed with English scans and formatted nicely.

Old Profile

New Profile

Changes

• Formatting to make it easy on the eyes
• Japanese scans changed to English Scans
• Keys for Chaldea Servant and Beast III/Lapse
• higher in statistics upon evolution
• 2-A with Noble Phantasms in First Key
• Immeasurable Speed first with Noble Phantasm
• Removed resistances that shouldn't be there (duplicates)
• Omnipresence within her Universe
• Multilocation
• NEP Update (Type 2 changed to Type 1, with Aspect Types)
• Large Size Type 8
• Removed Abstract Existence Type 2
• Multiple Selves
• Pretty much Everything in the First Key is New

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Disagree with all conceptual manipulation in the profile.

that seems to be talking about concepts in a sense of ideas, not independent of the mind

Conceptual Manipulation (By using Lord Iemitsu, Kama collected the concepts of Tokugawa Family, Shoguns, Shogunate and everyone related to them regardless of whether they existed in the past or future[14])

Nothing in the scan states it burns at a conceptual level. Even if it did, it should not be enough for conceptual manipulation, since Wiki's account of 'concept' isn't what the word means, but how it is explained

The flames on her body are the same Flames Shiva used to burn her on a conceptual level

From what I saw in the scan, she destroyed love from everyone, not the concept itself.

love from humans and destroying it all together. Authority allows for the manipulation of concepts they embody, being the phenomena that make up the world

 

[SweetDao]

Unless there are more information about the flames or such, I don't think CM is justified, but I'm open for more info.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Agree with Grabbing_Dragon, removing love from everyone isn't the same as directly destroying the concept of love

 

[Robo432343]

2-A should not exist

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Wasn't the 2A also nuked, or am I misremembering?

Also, where does Aspect 4 come from, regarding her NEP?

Lastly, I agree with the rest, regarding the CM being unjustified.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Aspect type 2-4 shouldn't be there as well, it sounds like only her body was erased, not her concept, and her body is spiritual

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Also, where does the Reactive evolution and high-godly regeneration come from?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Also, isn't the speed rating outdated?

 

[Robo432343]

Also, where does the Reactive evolution and high-godly regeneration come from?

here

soul is conceptual

and also information

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

here

I don't mean that part. What I am asking for is where it's regeneration and not just immortality 8.

PS - Also, I don't see why this is anything more than just the soul existing in a different dimension, storing memories. (nothing fundamental that is required for high godly) So yes, this would be immortality 9 for the soul and low godly resurrection/regeneration for normal, and mid godly for regenerating the soul.

 

[Hypertornado099]

here

soul is conceptual

and also information

That isn't even mid godly, also it doesn't actually say that everyone with a soul can regen their body

 

[Robo432343]

That isn't even mid godly, also it doesn't actually say that everyone with a soul can regen their body

idk its accepted as high godly

 

[Hypertornado099]

idk its accepted as high godly

Where?

 

[Robo432343]

Where?

servant physiology

 

[Hypertornado099]

servant physiology

I don't see it here

 

[Robo432343]

I don't see it here

why
Soul Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Limited Mind Manipulation and Memory Manipulation: A Servants main sustenance is mana, but they can consume souls to maintain themselves into the world. Servants can also perform spiritual attacks that can cleave souls, and even reverse possession from Divine Spirits when their resistance is down. Not only do souls contain the concepts and information of a being, but also have their mind and memories within, protect the soul and stop it from being reached

 

[Hypertornado099]

why
Soul Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Limited Mind Manipulation and Memory Manipulation: A Servants main sustenance is mana, but they can consume souls to maintain themselves into the world. Servants can also perform spiritual attacks that can cleave souls, and even reverse possession from Divine Spirits when their resistance is down. Not only do souls contain the concepts and information of a being, but also have their mind and memories within, protect the soul and stop it from being reached

Yeah but that doesn't say high godly regen

 

[Robo432343]

Yeah but that doesn't say high godly regen

i know
im assuming thats where it comes from

 

[Re5yh]

I think 1-C or 1-A is fine for Kama and the servants, gods, outer gods and ultimate ones

 

[RoninSlayer200]

How do you even get to 1-A bro

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I think 1-C or 1-A is fine for Kama and the servants, gods, outer gods and ultimate ones

That was nuked already.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Wasn't the 2A also nuked, or am I misremembering?

Nope, not yet

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Is there any evidence that it changed the Earth itself in a way that is said to change the world itself or reality

Reality Warping (Turned Tokugawa Castle's Ooku into a labyrinth that extends into the Earth

Is there proof that she created them from nothing rather than using existing things

Creation (Can create Puppets

She seems to be talking about how much stronger she is than everyone else,that she can kill them with her power, since they're inside her, rather than having control over death itself.

Death Manipulation (Controls the lives of everyone within her Universe

etc
@Wankbreaker I believe in you,break those wanks.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Is there any evidence that it changed the Earth itself in a way that is said to change the world itself or reality

Reality Warping (Turned Tokugawa Castle's Ooku into a labyrinth that extends into the Earth

Is there proof that she created them from nothing rather than using existing things

Creation (Can create Puppets

She seems to be talking about how much stronger she is than everyone else,that she can kill them with her power, since they're inside her, rather than having control over death itself.

Death Manipulation (Controls the lives of everyone within her Universe

etc
@Wankbreaker I believe in you,break those wanks.

Agree

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

So, can we get some context?

• Limited Light Manipulation (Kama can "shut off" every light source within the universe)

 

[Wankbreaker]

So, can we get some context?

She can turn off light in her conceptual universe, idk why VSBW rates it as THE universe.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

She can turn off light in her conceptual universe, idk why VSBW rates it as THE universe.

Also, since you are knowledgeable, can you confirm the stuff that lacks scans?

 

[Wankbreaker]

Death Manipulation (Controls the lives of everyone within her Universe

etc
@Wankbreaker I believe in you,break those wanks.

The latter is literally because she could remove the floor and air in her conceptual universe, lmao.

 

[BreezeHM]

Disagree with all conceptual manipulation in the profile.

that seems to be talking about concepts in a sense of ideas, not independent of the mind

Conceptual Manipulation (By using Lord Iemitsu, Kama collected the concepts of Tokugawa Family, Shoguns, Shogunate and everyone related to them regardless of whether they existed in the past or future[14])

Nothing in the scan states it burns at a conceptual level. Even if it did, it should not be enough for conceptual manipulation, since Wiki's account of 'concept' isn't what the word means, but how it is explained

The flames on her body are the same Flames Shiva used to burn her on a conceptual level

From what I saw in the scan, she destroyed love from everyone, not the concept itself.

love from humans and destroying it all together. Authority allows for the manipulation of concepts they embody, being the phenomena that make up the world

That's fine.

Unless there are more information about the flames or such, I don't think CM is justified, but I'm open for more info.

The Conceptual Manipulation on the flames shouldn't even be there, forgot to remove it from the old profile, my mistake.

Aspect type 2-4 shouldn't be there as well, it sounds like only her body was erased, not her concept, and her body is spiritual

For Aspect Type 2 & 3 Shiva burned her very existence, turning her very existence into something vague and hazy, which she means by it being a void. For four see below.

Also, where does Aspect 4 come from, regarding her NEP?

I'm short on time, and I'll have to look through some stuff for it, so I'll answer this when I come back.

Also, where does the Reactive evolution and high-godly regeneration come from?

Reactive Evolution comes from Shiva as depicted in the scan. Although it's not really from her own abilities, so it'd be better to list it as limited.

I have no idea what's going on with that High-Godly justification, tried looking for the thread and I cannot find it, if someone would do the honours.

Either way, I was planning on revising it in the Servant & Divine Physiology CRT that I was making next.

Also, isn't the speed rating outdated?

Waiting for new speed justification before being implemented.

Is there any evidence that it changed the Earth itself in a way that is said to change the world itself or reality

Reality Warping (Turned Tokugawa Castle's Ooku into a labyrinth that extends into the Earth

Justification is a bit lacking, I have a better one in mind.

Is there proof that she created them from nothing rather than using existing things

Creation (Can create Puppets

The existing materials were used to create the walls of the Ooku not the puppets, but I'll look into it.

She seems to be talking about how much stronger she is than everyone else,that she can kill them with her power, since they're inside her, rather than having control over death itself.

Death Manipulation (Controls the lives of everyone within her Universe

etc
@Wankbreaker I believe in you,break those wanks.

Yeah the scene after makes it perfectly clear, this can be nuked.

Thanks for checking the abilities out guys, changes will be updated when I return.

 

[BreezeHM]

Alright for changes

• Reality Warping has more justifications, and moved some abilities to it.
• Clairvoyance has scans instead of references now
• Creation -
• An application of CM has been changed to Psychometry, Time Manipulation, & Non-Physical Interaction
• Body Control changed to Density Manipulation
• An Application of CM has been changed to Empathic Manipulation
• CM and Law Manipulation have their own list
• Reactive Evolution changed to Limited
• Added Reference for Accelerated Development
• Added References for Abstract Existence
• Added Reference for Immortality
• Added Reference for Regeneration
• Added Reference for Regeneration Negation

Anything without a reference I couldn't find where it comes from.

Nonexistent Physiology for Aspect Type 4 has been updated, do tell me your thoughts.

And I found the thread where High-Godly was accepted.

I believe I haven't missed anyone's concerns, but do let me know if I have.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

And I found the thread where High-Godly was accepted.

Honestly, the entire CRT is a giant mess, imo if the profile dosen't show or explain it, it should just be nuked (though it should not have a an actual timer for getting it readded)

But I will relook the rest, when my brain is online.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Also quick question

• Fire Manipulation, Existence Erasure, Conceptual Manipulation (Wields the same fire that Shiva burned her with)

Wouldn't this be "conceptual destruction"? Since it burned her conceptually?

 

[BreezeHM]

Honestly, the entire CRT is a giant mess, imo if the profile dosen't show or explain it, it should just be nuked (though it should not have a an actual timer for getting it readded)

But I will relook the rest, when my brain is online.

Probably because of laziness to put it on profiles. Since to the supporters, at the time, they knew that the soul was composed of fundamental information and concept, and only reflected that information in the Servant Physiology Page.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Servant Physiology Page.

Again, the issue is that it's not on the servant page...

 

[BreezeHM]

Also quick question

Wouldn't this be "conceptual destruction"? Since it burned her conceptually?

Not sure about this one, since I saw in a recent thread, that destroying through NPI isn't the actual ability to manipulate the abstraction/information.

Again, the issue is that it's not on the servant page...

I assume you meant the actual regeneration part, which is vague and not on any of the pages, nor is there a note explaining it. Yeah it should be nuked, if the stuff in the NEP isn't valid.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Not sure about this one, since I saw in a recent thread, that destroying through NPI isn't the actual ability to manipulate the abstraction/information.

Fair point, the entire thing is confusing. The way I see it: Manipulation is when you can manipulate the concept and control it, destruction means damaging or destroying it, creation is self-explanatory, and NPI for it is just when you can interact with it.

I assume you meant the actual regeneration part, which is vague and not on any of the pages, nor is there a note explaining it. Yeah it should be nuked, if the stuff in the NEP isn't valid.

Yeah, I have a hard time reading a profile like this that is not bolded due to my bad eyesight, even with glasses, the entire thing looks like a mess.


Note - I looked into the soul definition of the Servant page, and let me tell you, it doesn't look good.

The "information" is not actually meeting the requirements for info type 2, and instead is just a "record" in another dimension, so it would rather be an immortality 9 for the soul, if I my understanding this correctly.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

but yeah, I don't know if this is the correct thread to fix that in...

 

[BreezeHM]

Fair point, the entire thing is confusing. The way I see it: Manipulation is when you can manipulate the concept and control it, destruction means damaging or destroying it, creation is self-explanatory, and NPI for it is just when you can interact with it.

Yeah I think this looks good

Yeah, I have a hard time reading a profile like this that is not bolded due to my bad eyesight, even with glasses, the entire thing looks like a mess.

Hope to update them all formatting wise

Note - I looked into the soul definition of the Servant page, and let me tell you, it doesn't look good.

The "information" is not actually meeting the requirements for info type 2, and instead is just a "record" in another dimension, so it would rather be an immortality 9 for the soul, if I my understanding this correctly.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, since it's currently accepted, I have it listed, so it can be changed to Type 9 in another thread.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Reality Warping has more justifications, and moved some abilities to it.

I don't think that proves reality manipulation, since she is manipulating things inside her universe rather than altering the universe itself for reality warping.

Reality Warping (Turned Tokugawa Castle's Ooku into a labyrinth that extends into the Earth Warped the space of the Ooku Can deprive Oxygen, even for Servants who don't require oxygen Can control gravity within her universe Kama can "shut off" every light source within the universe

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, since it's currently accepted, I have it listed, so it can be changed to Type 9 in another thread.

This scan is also not saying that the soul is the concept itself, as it holds the record of all bodies within that concept rather than being the concept itself. Therefore, CM doesn't meet the requirements to...