Fate Revision Thread

[Reppuzan]

@Monarch

Moriarty was fused with the Phantom of Der Freischutz (The Freeshooter0, who had seven magic bullets who would kill anyone they're shot at without fail, but the seventh will kill the one the wielder holds dearest.

Moriarty's plan was to get close to Ritsuka by rendering himself an amnesiac in order to use that seventh bullet. Due to his wish being to "destroy the world" as the ultimate crime, the last bullet took the form of a massive meteor.

He created the singularity to do this while bypassing Gaia's defense systems and the Counter Force.

 

[GalaxianAegis]

Oh shit, would this impact much when it comes to how NP's are scaled?

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Not much because Excalibur is a special snowflake.

 

[Promestein]

I just thought it was worth mentioning, though the specifics depend on whether or not the meteor would actually destroy the planet or if the impact would just eradicate humanity and ruin the planet.

If it would be applied, we'd have to take into account the High 6-C Excalibur calc up there, which leads to weird scaling with High 6-C Berserker, and thus High 6-C everyone with A-rank strength, and thus 6-C Servants probably

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Well Excalibur does have the oaths on it, and the meteor is supposedly capable of destroying the planet so some of them should be released.

 

[Promestein]

Pretty sure the High 6-C Excalibur was for normal base Excalibur.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

Emiya Alter was the one that blew up the meteor with ULW, Saber Alter just got rid of the fragments, since they were still going to cause major destruction and possibly kill Guda.

 

[Promestein]

Understood.

 

[KamiYasha]

Pretty sure the singularity was victim of a Quantum Time-Lock thus No Gaia or Counter Force to defend the planet.

>Meteor meant to destroy the world

>Da Vinci: No Np can destroy the world

>Saber Alter destroys the meteor with her Np (alonside Edgy Emiya)

 

[Sage_God_Slayer]

Yea Emiya Alter split the meteor and Saber Alter erased the fragments since it was still coming down. Still a good showing for Excalibur.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Shouldn't we get the calcs checked?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

^It should be done so first, yes.

 

[Promestein]

Oh, here's another thing.

Arjuna is Mountain level only at 10% of his power with Gandiva. Large Mountain level is only 10x higher than Mountain level.

 

[Reppuzan]

We'd have to upgrade full power Karna and everyone close to them in power (i.e. Cu Alter, Rama, and Scathach) if this goes through.

But the logic itself is sound.

 

[Promestein]

Yeaaaaaaah, I know.

And it'd boost a bunch of Noble Phantasms.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

That's a good thing.

 

[Promestein]

It'd have some weird scaling issues.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Should we scale the top tier DAA like Altrouge, Prime Roa and Zelretch to Arcueid who did the 7-A to 6-C feat?

 

[Promestein]

I think that'd probably make sense...?

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Altrouge fought her when she had her long hair and stole it during combat so she is comparable and Roa beat Altrouge. Dunno what we should do with Merem though.

 

[Promestein]

If Merem's beasts are Divine Beast level he should be At least 7-A, I'd think.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

So, are there some scaling issues going around?

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Then I guess he can keep his current tier.

 

[IwonTheLotteryYES]

Scaling based upon "A, EX, B." ranking is kinda flawed imo. I mean its not entirely wrong as their is SOME consistency with it, but sometimes we are shown otherwise.

and cross universal scaling is also wrong when some verses of nasuverse are standaone and should be considered seperate canons entirely. Fate/extra is one of those. Btw is this an admin only thread. If it is I am truly sorry to intrude? I didn't see that stated anywhere?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Nah all good. This isn't staff only

 

[IwonTheLotteryYES]

Thank you. I didn't know.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

No you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Should Karna be downgraded to at least 6-C with Brahmastra Kundala? Given the fact that Sieg was able to cancel it with Balming blasts, also the 6-C Arjuna calc. Brahmastra being implied to being one shot Jeanne even with her NP shouldn't give it a straight up 6-B rating even if it's a Anti-Country Noble Phnantasm, Parameter Rules would still make Stella superior so we can't scale it to Stella. Overall I think a At least 6-C rating would be better.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Ram

Why would Stella be superior if Stella is a B+++ Rank Anti-Army/Anti Country Noble Phantasm while Brahmastra Kundala is an A+ Rank Anti-Country Noble Phantasm?

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Parameter rules. While A rank is normally superior to B+ the + modifier can temporarily double its strength. Stella has 2 +modifiers so it can become 3x stronger while Brahmastra has one so it can only double its strength.

Using Nasu numbers the B++ is superior.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Ram

I still find it iffy since the Anti-Country Rating of Arash is primarily due to its range and AoE according to the official description.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Yeah but it does have feats to back up the Country rating like deflecting Rhon blast. If that's true then I guess Brahmastra can scale. But we should get rid of the At least and just make it plain 6-B.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Ram

I don't remind removing the At least prefix if no one else has anything else to say.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

I'll let you handle it then.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

After looking at Stella's description and Moriarty's Noble Phantasm description it looks like Anti-Country is just a rating for the range and AOE a Noble Phantasm covers. I'm not sure if Brahmastra scales to Stella anymore. Even if we use ranks it still seems iffy, because everything else justifies an at least 6-C, likely higher rating.

 

[Reppuzan]

Maybe.

It did help overpower the Dendera Electric Bulb though.

Brahmastra never scaled from Stella. It was rated as Country level for being Anti-Country.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

I think Brahmastra should be downgraded to at least 6-C possibly higher with those that scale such as Arjuna and Rama also getting downgraded. Stella can stay at 6-B because deflecting Rhon and helping with overpowering Dendera.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Ram

I don't see why a straight up Anti-Country NP < A Noble Phantasm that is Anti-Country by range.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Anti-Country from Moriarty's Noble Phantasm and Stella's description seems to a rating taht comes range and aoe. Not from power. Moriarty's Noble Phantasm says that if strengthened its range would let it be classed as Anti-Country/Anti-City.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Ram

That does not necessarily correlate to a difference in power for Karna.

We have Anti-Army Noble Phantasms that have done as much damage as Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasms.