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Fairy Tail: Magic Has Soul!

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Aside from natsu in his seven flame dragon mode, everyone else will get limited soul manipulation or limited soul absorption.

If you're curious for why natsu's seven flame dragon mode was excluded from this, it's because he was able to destroy acnologia's soul in their finale battle. So he keeps his soul manipulation, in that form.
 
What do the other staff members here think?
 
I would like to see what Dragonmasterxyz, Burning Full Fingers, and Theglassman12 think after reading my arguments.
 
I agree with magic having souls, since it has been specified multiple times throughout the manga. Even Celestial spirits are a major proof of that since they too are alive as well as they are magic as well
 
yeah, now that I look at it more clearer, I don't see how this is granting limited soul manipulation. Makarov's speech is talking about trying your best to do whatever you want. The whole "put your soul into it" is just a figure of speech when that's what everyone says when regarding to doing your best. "Pouring your heart and soul" doesn't mean literally putting your soul

Wendy's whole schtick is exclusive to her since she can resurrect dead souls with her own magic.

As for the whole Franmalth stuff, he even said that magic doesn't work on him. That doesn't mean that all magic has a soul in them. By that logic, Natsu eating fire or not being affected by fire makes him able to absorb souls of the fire just because it's a type of magic that doesn't work on him.
 
Makarov's speech is not only that but also what the specific nature of how magic is formed.

I wouldn't say that all magic doesn't have a soul, It is a matter of being able to hit him without him having absorbing the magic, because we have seen him get hit before with magical infused attacks. Natsu should not be used as an example though as it was described that he can eat fire both magical and regular kind.
 
I agree with Theglassman12. This is far too unreliable.
 
@CNBA No it wasn't. It was him talking about not listening to the council and just trying your best to perfect your magic.
 
That is different, he was giving Fairy Tail a lesson about how to make one's magic, and how that is tied to what Makarov is saying about not to worry about the Council. because it is restraining oneself which degrades their magical potential, literally, as magic not only connects their soul to nature, but to each other via the power of feelings.
 
which has nothing to do with how that grants them limited soul manipulation since it's again, a figure of speech for just making your magic grow without restraint from others.
 
@Glass

Sorry, i disagree with your arguement and it doesn't make any sense. Magic has been shown to have the users soul, and i have already posted scans about it. We have the first case being atlas flames's hellfire, it contained his soul. The second case being natsu's magic, it also contained a piece of his soul. It has all been proven by franmalth soul absorbing curse.

Yes makarov speach does sound flowery at first glance. But after we have seen atlas flames's hellfire and natsu's magic having souls, and the fact that franmalth is able to absorb the soul inside the magic makes everything clear. With so much evidene at hand, how are you still able to deny it.

Please come up with a good arguement, since i don't see any here.
 
The combination of that it was likely just a figure of speech, and that even if it wasn't it would be akin to giving me electricity manipulation for dragging a balloon through my hair, makes all of this both unreliable and exaggerated.
 
What ant said, the franmalth part was only stated by the literal dumbest cat in the entire group. And Franmalth isn't affected by magic since he can absorb magic. Which barely has any proof of having the soul in it aside from a flowery speech from makarov and Happy.
 
@Antvasima

It's no longer a figure of speech when you have a clear evidence of magic having soul. Franmalth clearly demonstrated this when he used his soul absorbing curse on natsu's magic, and absorbed it.

If a character has shown the ability to destroy a soul, then that character gets soul manipulation. This is something the wiki has used for all character that's able to destroy a soul.Soul destruction falls under the soul manipulation catagory.
 
@Kaiser there's a difference between that, the soul destruction is a feat, not a statement. The whole magic having souls is a statement from a speech from makarov, and happy, who again, isn't the most reliable source out there. Not to mention soul and magic works completely different with Franmalth since one allows him to copy the user's entire body, and the other just redirects it
 
I doubt that the way that Makarov makes such explicit example would be even considered a figure of speech, if it was something like "I came, I saw, I conquer" or "I told you a hundred times" or "she sells seashells by the seashore". um, it was Franmalth that stated that "He Likes This Soul" the moment he was hit with Fire Lighting Dragon Roar before absorbing it. besides, Happy can be informative at times throughout the series, he really only dumb at times of trolling or comedy moments.
 
@Glass

We're not using happy's statement here, i have said this before. We're using the feat that franmalth preformed, and that was him using his soul absorption on natsu's magic and absorbing the soul inside it.

Even if we used happy's statement, what's wrong with that?. What happy is saying is clearly what he is witnessing. If happy was watching a burning house and said that the house is burning. Would you say that happy is a dumb cat and that the house was not burning?.
 
There's a difference between seeing a house on fire, and seeing someone absorb an attack to redirect it. Which implies that his soul absorption has different properties as his magic absorption.
 
@Glass

"The whole magic having souls is a statement from a speech from makarov, and happy, who again, isn't the most reliable source out there."

No, the feats are from both natsu and atlas flames. Like i said in my other comments and so many times so far.

"We have the first case being atlas flames's hellfire, it contained his soul. The second case being natsu's magic, it also contained a piece of his soul. It has all been proven by franmalth soul absorbing curse. "

You have clearly ignored this, since you have no way to disprove it. You keep saying that i'm using happy's statement when that's clearly not the case. What i'm using is the fact that franmalth was able to absorb the soul inside natsu's magic, and the fact that atlas flames's hellfire contained a piece of his soul.

These 2 cases, clearly demonstrated magic having soul. Also makarov is one of the few characters that know a lot about magic, him saying that magic has soul is clearly not something that should be ignored.
 
@Glass

"There's a difference between seeing a house on fire, and seeing someone absorb an attack to redirect it.

To redirect it? What in the world are you talking about. Franmalth clearly absorbed the piece of soul inside natsu's lightning fire dragon magic and was able to use it. It had nothing to do with him absorbing it, just to redirected it. He absorbed natsu's magic, and now it became one of his abilities.

Did you even read the chapter?. Give me a second so i can post it for you, so you can read it.
 
"Pouring one's soul into something" is a common figure of speech regarding making a serious heartfelt effort.

It is a massively unreliable exaggeration to draw the conclusion that every single mage in Fairy Tail can destroy souls because of it.

It is a big difference if a specific mage has demonstrated specialisation in soul manipulation, but we definitely cannot afford everybody this ability without making the wiki more exaggerated and unreliable than it already is.

I am getting tired of having to waste time on this ridiculous argument when I am extremely busy elsewhere, and think that we should close his thread as soon as possible.
 
To reiterate, I am allergic to unreliable profiles that give this wiki a bad reputation, and as such I will not let this revision pass no matter how much you argue about it. I would appreciate if you all permanently drop the subject.
 
@Antvasima

Sorry but i disgree with you, you are clrealy not reading my comments. Even if we ignore makarov's statement, we still have natsu and atlas flames's evidence of magic having a soul.

Atlas flames's hellfire which is his magic, contained a piece of his soul.

Natsu's lightning flame which is his magic, also contained a piece of his soul. Franmalth, a character with the ability to absorb souls. was able to absorb natsu's magic, this clearly demonstrates that magic indeed has a soul. This a clear evidence, and no arguement so far has been able to disprove it.

You guys are clearly keep repeating makarov and happy, when you should be looking at natsu's magic and atlas flames's hellfire.
 
That is not what is the point, it is the fact that magic is born from the union or one's spirit and nature itself. As for pouring one's spirit, it is referring to power of feelings or determination to help make magic stronger.

Nothing states that every single mage can destroy souls, just that magic does possess souls, and if a magic is described to attack or effect the soul then so be it.
 
Its not just that Makarov says it, its that Atlas Flame's magic was shown to still have his soul despite him being dead for hundreds of years and that Franmalth could use LFDM when he was hit with it, using the powers of others is something he has only shown after he absorbed a soul.
 
Does chakra have a soul?, no. Does haki have soul?, no. Just because they're a spiritual energy, doesn't mean that they contain the users soul.

Magic in fairy tail is not about spirituality, but rather the fact that magic having a piece of the users soul and memory/thoughts.
 
Unless all Fairy Tail mages are clearly demonstrated as able to directly attack or manipulate the souls of others, it would be extremely exaggerated for our profiles to claim that they can do so.

I take the reliability of this wiki very seriously and do not appreciate any attempts to make it less so, just to exaggerate characters somebody personally likes.

I am also extremely busy with the daily backlog so I would prefer to close this soon.

Again, you can waste my time by arguing as much as you want, but this revision is still not going to be accepted.
 
KaiserReinhardt said:
Does chakra have a soul?, no. Does haki have soul?, no. Just because they're a spiritual energy, doesn't mean that they contain the users soul.

Magic in fairy tail is not about spirituality, but rather the fact that magic having a piece of the users soul and memory/thoughts.
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This isn't correct. Chakra has two things contained in it, physical energy and spiritual energy. Haki especially Armor Haki is made of the user's Soul. It's the same thing as what you're arguing.
 
When was it stated that everyone can effect souls? Only those that have shown to effect souls should be applied.

Atlas's soul was always there in the flame burning, it was only physically manifested because of Milky Way
 
@Antvasima

This has nothing to do with controling souls, you are clearly not reading the topic. It's about them being able to destroy a magic, that contains a piece of soul. This is soul destruction, not manipulation. There is so many characters on this wiki that has shown the ability to destroy souls, and they all have soul manipulation on their profile. If you're against soul destruction being part of soul manipulation, then all those character need to be removed from their soul manipulations.

No one is exaggerating anythng, we have brought clear evidence for our case and the majority of the people who understand and know about the fairy tail verse already agreed with it.

Also why close this just because you're busy? That makes no sense. If you feel like not debating anymore, you can just leave the thread.

You have not brought any good evidence for why this should not be accepted, seriously.
 
If specific Fairy Tail characters have explicitly shown the ability to have a relevant effect on souls with their attacks or powers, they can get the ability. Otherwise, not so much.
 
This will only aply with characters that has the ability to destroy magic or absorb magic, not everyone in the verse will get limited soul manipulation or absorption.
 
KaiserReinhardt said:
This will only aply with characters that has the ability to destroy magic or absorb magic, not everyone in the verse will get limited soul manipulation or absorption.
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Only characters that have been explicitly shown as able to attack or manipulate actual souls should have the ability, period. This is not up for discussion. We need to have strict standards for adding abilities.
 
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