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Fairy Tail: Magic Has Soul!

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@Glass

She didn't give up at all. She was simply returning her celestial spirits back to the celestial spirit world, so they don't get absorbed by franmalth if they were to lose. But nothing shows that she was giving up, she was doing her best in order to keep resisting franmalth soul absorbtion.

Also you're confused about something. I'm not saying that franmalth can't absorb their souls. All i'm saying is that, it will take a very while before he can actually do it. It all relies on how much stamina natsu, lucy and happy has. All franmalth was doing was tire them to the point that they can't resist anymore, and then just absorb their soul.
 
Franmalth's whole thing is soul manip and that failed against Zeref.

Just because some one is resistant to something doesn't make them immune. Zeref resisted soul manipulation because he was in far better condition compared to 300,000+ people who were completely out of action while he was still able to use magic.

Natsu doesn't support Zeref having better Soul Manip Resistance, Zeref supports him having stronger Soul Destruction.
 
@Kaiser No she clearly ditched that plan, why else would she say NATSU GATE CLOSED if she wasn't thinking of another plan for them to get out of their grasp.

@Nedge ok, and again, nothing that we have seen for Zeref suggest that he can resist any soul abilities, as well as having his powers nullified.
 
@Kaiser you'd be right if he actually resisted it to begin with. Nothing we have seen over the course of the last arc suggested that he has any form of resistance.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Kaiser you'd be right if he actually resisted it to begin with. Nothing we have seen over the course of the last arc suggested that he has any form of resistance.
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Larcade incapitated 300,000 people with soul manip. Zeref was not by that same soul manip. There you go.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Kaiser No she clearly ditched that plan, why else would she say NATSU GATE CLOSED if she wasn't thinking of another plan for them to get out of their grasp.
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You just said it yourself: "if she wasn't thinking of another plan for them to get out of their grasp." Even without considering the soul thing, they still needed to get out from Franmalth's grasp in order to fight.
 
@Dragon did you forget the scan where it shows that he was affected by larcade's ability? Cause it shows him being affected.
 
@glass

He resisted Larcade, your point is invalid.

Both Tempester and Keyes have Magic Barrier Particles which destroy Eternano, the source of magic spells (this would be power null). Zeref made these guys to kill him hence he has resistance to power null.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Dragon did you forget the scan where it shows that he was affected by larcade's ability? Cause it shows him being affected.
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Being affected by something =/= not being resistant to it. Resistance is when it affects him less than how it affects other people.
 
@Triforce them making a plan to get out doesn't equate to them resisting the hax, Lucy flat out lied to him so he can let natsu go.
 
@Glass

She didn't ditched anything since she was still trying her best to resist franmalth soul absorption, but rather she found a way to defeat him. Her finding a way to defeat him, doesn't mean she ditched the original plan.

Her saying "natsu, gate closed", would let franmalth think that natsu is a celestial spirit and would let him go just like taurus and aries. This will give them a chance to attack franmalth, while he is still busy with the soul absorption.
 
@Blank he did not resist it, did you not see the part where he clearly was affected by it?

@Dragon and again, NOTHING we have seen in regards to his supposed soul resistance is ever supported when people who can use soul hax can clearly affect him.
 
@Kaiser that was her plan to begin with, let natsu go, have him attack franmalth, and make him let the others go before the soul hax was finished.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Blank he did not resist it, did you not see the part where he clearly was affected by it?
@Dragon and again, NOTHING we have seen in regards to his supposed soul resistance is ever supported when people who can use soul hax can clearly affect him.
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You are misunderstanding. If you are resistant to soul hax, that does not mean that soul hax can't effect you. It means that soul hax effects you less than it would for someone without resistance.
 
@Dragon you're ignoring what I'm saying, everything that Zeref had dealt with when it came to soul hax does not support his resistance at all when he was affected more than once.
 
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@Kaiser There is something to suggest otherwise, especially when Franmalth wasn't acting surprised that his soul hax wasn't working.
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He absorbs Taurus aries without any difficulty because it take time against happy,Natsu, lucy why?
 
@BFF

You double posted.

@glass

He resisted by the simple fact that it didn't affect him to the same extent as the other 300,000+ people. Lets not forget that Larcade is an Etherious which Zeref created prior to E.N.D. meaning he was also used to kill Zeref before. The dude was still alive.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Dragon you're ignoring what I'm saying, everything that Zeref had dealt with when it came to soul hax does not support his resistance at all when he was affected more than once.
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It's supported by Franmalth not being able to absorb his soul. Him being effected isn't an anti feat because he's shown to be resistant. When soul manip works on him then that would be a feat for it working past the resistance that he is shown to have.
 
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@glass

He resisted Larcade, your point is invalid.

Both Tempester and Keyes have Magic Barrier Particles which destroy Eternano, the source of magic spells (this would be power null). Zeref made these guys to kill him hence he has resistance to power null.
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Also He create end after his all demon failed to killed him
 
@kaiser for this thread i need some time, will return with enough knowledge and scan, if possible give him manga chapter which is related to this post
 
@Dragon he's never once faced Franmalth and Franmalth has never shown to try to rip zeref's soul out.

@Blank are you reading the same chapter that I am, cause it clearly shows Zeref is being affected by the ability.
 
@Glass

You're talking as if his soul absorption takes a while to work when thats's not even the case. He soul absorption always takes effect whenever he starts using, it has never been shown to take a while for it to work.

The fact that it didn't work on natsu, lucy and happy the moment franmalth used on them, means that they were resisting it. You can clearly see natsu's veins bulging out, it's him trying his best to resist the effect of the curse.
 
@glass

First of all, go look at Nedge's link above. It directly states that the Etherious couldn't kill Zeref.

Secondly, yes I have. Maybe if you look at how Pleasure affects everyone else, you would realise that they are all crippled and unable to do anything while Zeref is only bothered by it. Even Mavis who also has the same curse as Zeref is completely downed by it proving it is purely him who is resisting it.
 
@Dragon killing someone isn't the same as ripping the soul out of someone. Zeref wanted to die, not get his soul ripped.

@Kaiser, 9Tail their souls would still be ripped out of them had Lucy not thought ahead of time to do the celestial trick.
 
@Glass

You're clearly confused. Zeref himself said that none of the nine gate demons could kill him, implying that at some point in the past they tried to kill him just like how they were made to do.

It's their mission to try and kill zeref, and the fact that zeref is still alive and means none of them were able to kill him. Just like he himself said "But even these demons were not enough to kill me". http://www.************/uploads/chapters/2004/456/62.png
 
@glass

Wat??? Go take a look at the final arc when Larcade releases a bunch of souls from people to kill them. Losing your soul definitely kills the people in FT.
 
it's only lethal if it actually shows the person being dead, especially when the celestial spirits were still ok after the absorption.
 
You do realize that losing your soul and still being alive is a feat for the person and not an anti feat for soul manip. Unless you're arguing that Zeref doesn't have a soul anymore I don't know what you're trying to say.
 
@Kaiser and the same demons were developing their powers ever since he made them. Mard Geer even made the memento Mori all for the sake of killing him.

@Blank can I get a scan of that part?
 
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