Everyone wants to upgrade this guy.

[FanofRPGs]

At this point we should just turn this into a general discussion thread for talking about Superman.

I think the tier 2/3 arguments must all 100% be argued out and finished once and for all here first.

 

[PrinceOfTheMorning]

I'm just fantasizing about the day when some madlad appears with a 100% full appearance analysis of Superman.

 

[FanofRPGs]

The KMC thread is pretty close to doing so, just the images are >photobucket so I can't reverse image search and do a full vet check on them. If I could, I would have the Byrne era done already.

 

[Firestorm808]

Nebula Man's History

• Qwewq was raised in a petri dish in Wonderworld's Omnitropolis, where they had fed it and hoped to allow it to grow to its full potential. | JLA Vol 1 #12 November 1997
• After the destruction of Wonderworld (JLA Vol 1 #36 December 1999), at the hands of Mageddo, the Justice League took Qwewq to their remote lab on Pluto.
• JLA Classified Vol 1 #1 January 2005
  • While Goraiko takes down Grodd, Squire notes that the emissions seem to come from the strange small cube, and match with an old JLA enemy called the Nebula Ma. Warmaker One and the Master find the cube, and the Master discovers that the cube is sentient.
  • As the city falls, Squire escapes on a jet bike, Grodd destroys Warmaker's shell, and the Master is absorbed into the cube.
  • The Master, now possessed by the cube's power, calls itself "Neh-Buh-Loh", and claims to prepare the way for his Quee, and herald the end of this world.
  • "Look, I have expanded to fill this human's shape."
  • Batman continues to describe it as an infiant universe which the Justice League folled Black Death into.
• JLA Classified Vol 1 #2 February 2005
  • The cube is called an infant universe by Wonder Woman.
  • Superman describes it as Attoscopic
  • Squire calls the cube universe "attoscopically tiny"
  • Neh-Buh-Luh says that he seeded his present form in The Master. This is not his true form.
    • "I was simply dormant in a human host until I could gather the strenght to return." | Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E. Vol 1 #8 March 2000
  • The Justice League Boom Tubes out of the attoverse.

• JLA Classified Vol 1 #3 March 2005
  • Superman and The Master possessed by Neh-Buh-Luh fight.
  • The Neh-Buh-Loh Possessed Master reveals that he is the adult version of Qwewq from the future and the seed planted in him by Black Death turned him evil. Neh-Buh-Loh teleports away, stating that the next time he comes, evil will prevail.
• Eventually, the infant Qwewq evolved and took the name "Nebula Man", becoming a cosmic being "whose touch has the power of 20 atomic bombs."
• The Adult Neh-Buh-Loh (3 Billion Years Old) was finally defeated by Frankenstei, who capitalized on the flaw placed by the Ultrmarines, and killed him. | Seven Soldiers: Frankenstein Vol 1 #4 May 2006
  • The flaw inside Qwewq prevents it from growing and replacing the universe.

 

[Madotsuki24]

Consistantly 3-A from the OP? What are you talking about?
We crossexamined and denied practically all of the feats and cited our sources.

And why is that and can you give me proof please? Or are you talking out of your butt?

 

[Madotsuki24]

Consistantly 3-A from the OP? What are you talking about?
We crossexamined and denied practically all of the feats and cited our sources.

As far as I'm concerned, you're the one who is hard to know what you are talking about.

 

[Madotsuki24]

Consistantly 3-A from the OP? What are you talking about?
We crossexamined and denied practically all of the feats and cited our sources.

You have done nothing to refute my arguments. Do you not have any more arguments? If not, then I've won and my points stand.

 

[Firestorm808]

@Madotsuki24 You have read the thread, yes?

There are other post by FanOfRPG above on the Red King and other alleged feats.

(Cutting down on length) See posts above for the explanations.

 

[Madotsuki24]

All that was said for every single feat was "That's not a feat, he didn't punch them.", which he did btw, asking how a feat is universal, or just denying it by giving bad reasons.


Also, "It's a dream, not a feat.", lmao, does that mean Madotsuki from Yume Nikki gets all of her feats deleted and loses all of her tiers apart from 10-A? xD

 

[Firestorm808]

All that was said for every single feat was "That's not a feat, he didn't punch them.", which he did btw, asking how a feat is universal, or just denying it by giving bad reasons.

Also, "It's a dream, not a feat.", lmao, does that mean Madotsuki from Yume Nikki gets all of her feats deleted and loses all of her tiers apart from 10-A? xD

That's not what we elaborated on at all. We describe why said feats do not scale Superman to universal level for varying reasons.

I am not familiar with that character.

Unless Superman's and anyone else's dreams in DC are actual universes created and destroyed, then no.

Please elaborate on the reasonings that you do not agree with.

 

[Madotsuki24]

All that was said for every single feat was "That's not a feat, he didn't punch them.", which he did btw, asking how a feat is universal, or just denying it by giving bad reasons.

Also, "It's a dream, not a feat.", lmao, does that mean Madotsuki from Yume Nikki gets all of her feats deleted and loses all of her tiers apart from 10-A? xD

That's not what we elaborated on at all. We describe why said feats do not scale Superman to universal level for varying reasons.
I am not familiar with that character.

Unless Superman's and anyone else's dreams in DC are actual universes created and destroyed, then no.

Please elaborate on the reasonings that you do not agree with.

Superman stops black holes that would destroy the universe, he can fight Lobo who destroyed the universe, he can fight and sometimes win against an avatar of Darkseid, he could finally end Doomsday who had the power to destroy the universe, I could go on and on. Maybe I'll depth into the comics even more and come back with a massive list on it.

 

[Firestorm808]

• Not a physical feat. It was a mind-matter dream. | Superman allegedly tanked a black hole that was going to consume the universe| Superman: Where Is Thy Sting? January 2001
  • Superman is faced with the reality of his own (and ultimately everything's) death. As this reality fills his waking consciousness and ultimately is embodied in death itself, Superman is incapacitated by his fear until Death literally shows him his own death at the end of the universe. However in doing so, Superman also sees his afterlife. An afterlife in which he is joined and comforted by his one true love, Lois Lane. Lois Lane reveals to Superman that his "belief" in her love, their love, transcends death. And that through that belief he is set "free" from death. Thus the title "Where Is Thy Sting", a reference to the passage in the Bible in 1 Corinthians 15:55 where Paul expounds on the Resurrection of Jesus Christ:
    "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"
  • What Superman's mind can do in the dream world doesn't directly scale to the physical world. Otherwise, Batman would be 4-B by dreaming/willing to be a Kryptonian under the same Mind-Matter dream context.
• Lobo destroyed the universe
  • When did this happen?
• He can fight and sometimes win against an avatar of Darkseid
  • Avatars or Darkseid haven't shown to be above 4-B.
• He could finally end Doomsday who had the power to destroy the universe.
  • That's not accurate.
  • Unknow | Doomsday breaks Superman's arm. A Boomtubed Superman in the God Sphere is weaker than Doomsday, barely damages him, and relies on the Mother Box to send Doomsday away. | Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey Vol 1 #3 June 1994

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Firestorm808, FanofRPGs, and PrinceOfTheMorning make sense. Would the three of you be willing to collaborate on writing a Superman feat analysis page for this wiki?

@Madotsuki24

You need to maintain a polite and respectful tone in this wiki.

 

[PowerToScale]

I saw this justification for universal superman and wanted to hear the thoughts of this scaling and it's accuracy. Not mine also quite long.

Post-Crisis Superman's fight with Golden Age Superma rewrote timelines and shattered a space-time continuum. It was repeatedly stated that they would destroy each others' universes and then eventually they started shattering the universe again, and they were again shown rewriting timelines. The DC Comics website confirms that the two were shaking the space-time continuum apart.

Superman punched back Orio and fought on par with him on another occasion, who tanked a weapo capable of annihilating the universe, as well as having one fifth the power of a Big Bang.

Superman's heat vision made up one fourth of the power capable of creating a universe and causing the defeat of Hal Jordan, who was going to create a new universe, and the attack caused a Big Bang to occur.

Superma has fought Brainiac 13 o three different occasions, who ca ravage timelines and rewrite the universe.

Post-Crisis Superman defeated Superboy-Prime alongside Golden Age Superman, who can withstand a Big Bang, and who was considered on par with the Silver Age Anti-Monitor, who was going to consume the universe and was defeated by Golden Age Superman and Superboy-Prime even after absorbing all energy from the antimatter universe and using it to fight them.

Post-Crisis Superman was shown earlier to stalemate Golden Age Superman, who stalemated Silver Age Superman, who caused a universe to be created following the death of Maaldor, tanked the Big Bang, bursted through the bounds of infinity, shattered the barriers of space and time casually while flying, delivered a blow greater than any force in the universe, and fought against Blackstarr, a woman capable of destroying the universe and attacking him with the gravitational force of the whole universe, who also has absolute control over all aspects of the cosmos and all forces that created the universe.

Superma is stronger tha Doctor Sivana, who had the power of Shazam, who fought and stalemated the Invincible Ma for several hours, who wields the power of the Big Bang.

Superman fought against Nebula Man, who is a universe. Superman fought 30th century Mordru who had all of the magical power of a universe. Superman fought the Time Trapper, who is a sentient timeline capable of shattering timelines. Superman fought Monarch, whose quantum power is like the Big Bang, and whose fight with Captain Atom was twisting space and time and causing compressed universes to explode. Captain Atom has destroyed and recreated the universe and can freely control it, and was going to destroy several universes, and oneshotted Jenny Quantum, who created a universe, tear apart a reality, contain a universe with her powers, and annihilated the Doctor, who can create a universe, and yet is weaker than Superma.

Superman survived an encounter with a tesseract swarm. Superma defeats Black Adam, who survived a tesseract expanding in his head. Superman stalemates amped Shazam right after fighting Black Adam, who tanked a tesseract bomb in his base.

Superman tanked a punch from Icon, who killed Starbreaker, who killed someone who was holding the universe together. Superman fights Wonder Woma on multiple occasions, and eve killed her once, who can recreate the timeline with her Lasso of Truth, can fight the Queen of Fables, who is an extra-dimensional embodiment of evil folklore, and can withstand attacks from 4-D when she's utilising four-dimensional energy.

Superma fought the Red King, who ca reshape the universe and destroy possibilities containing universes one by one, as well as having created the universe with his dreams.

Superman fought Imperiex probes for several days, who ca individually fight against and mortally wound Aquaman, who was causing the universe to collapse on itself.

Superma fought and overwhelmed the Kryptonia God Cythonna, who warred for a long time against the Kryptonian God Rao, who created the universe.

Superman pushed through the barriers of space and time, and then defeated the embodiment of his own Death, who caused the universe to compress o Superman, only for him to overcome it.

Superman tanked Aztek's self-Destruction of four-dimensional energy. Superman ca withstand attacks from and damage the Lord of Time, who is four-dimensional.

Superman tanks attacks from Firestorm, who has the power of a Big Bang.

Superman has overwhelmed Kyle Rayner o multiple occasions, who defeated an aberratio that was breaking dow the laws of space and time and the universe, remaking it into a world devoid of cause and effect and reason, and these changes were reverted by Kyle Rayner.

Superman fights Blackstar, who wields the the energies of the cosmos. Superman overwhelmed Starman, who ca defeat Darklord Maaldor, who ca become a universe.

 

[Firestorm808]

@PowerToScale

We already went over this list on the previous and the current thread.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3495804

 

[PowerToScale]

Okay, thanks

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Lobo is too inconsistent to be scaled to Superman, his best feats puts him at Multiversal (about 3 or 4 feats) and his weakest feats put him somewhere below Planet level.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Ok, so is the Nebula feat legit? As the one Superman fought was an Adult Qwewp? Or it isn't valid because of the Flaw?

 

[Antvasima]

Should we close this thread, and let Firestorm808, PrinceOfTheMorning, and FanofRPGs handle this issue in peace on their own?

 

[FanofRPGs]

@PowerToScale

1. The Superman Clash I covered on here https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#47

2. Firestorm debunked that, plus Cosmic Odyssey is written by Jim Starlin who tends to overrate or outscale his characters and ignore the status quo of the era, which at the time (1986-1994) was consistently tier 7 to 6.

3. Again, Pre-Zero Hour (ish, it's literally seconds before Zero Hour) which is consistently tier 7 to 6, but also Damage was amplifying it and Spectre was the one who put the final push of energy there

4. I discussed the Brainiac 13 thing here https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#87

5. Both Superman and Superboy Prime were depowered due to the Red Sun. Superman won out of pure skill, but Superboy Prime still literally murdered Kal-L outright with his brute strength. He also scales to characters typically portrayed waaaaay above Superman and Superman almost always just barely scrapes by in those fights due to being infinitely more intelligent and battle-savvy

6. Never heard the Dr. Sivana thing

7. Tesseract is just a cool name, but nothing to do with universal power as I understand

8. Never heard of the wonder woman lasso thing

9. Debunked the Red King here https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#126

10. The Imperiex Probes are certainly not universal, especially with scaling chains from Aquaman of all people. IDK about the Aquaman thing tho

11. I discussed it here https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#163

Cythonna always >>>> Superman, and Superman only did well when he was massively amped and she was massively weakened and still was losing when she revealed her true godly form when was still getting weakened regardless

12. Where is Thye Sting is dubiously canon and all just a dream in the first place. As Morning Star said, "The closest you could get to this would be one of the creators stating on twitter that it was an "illusion" like in Hindu mysticism and use some very generous logic to make it a true alternate reality. For obvious reasons, that wouldn't fly here, and nor should it."

13. I discussed the Aztek thing

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#106 https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#108 https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#117 https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#165

And the Lord of Time:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#123

14. IDK about the firestorm thing

15. Green Lantern scaling is inconsistent. For example, Green Lanterns are portrayed scalingwise far above Supes and the entire league, sometimes just a bit weaker but still more powerful potentially. One story by Morrison has the GL halt the entire antimatter Crime Syndicate with a construct and they couldn't break it. They are all 100% equal to the JLA

16. Power of the cosmos is vague and I discussed the Starman one:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#61 https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#63

The only ones I am iffy about and IDK is the Dr. Sivana thing, Wonderwoman creating timelines, and I will check the GL and Power of the Cosmos thing too. Also Aquaman destroying a universe???

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Anyway, what about the Updated Orion Profile?

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

@PowerToScale
1. The Superman Clash I covered on here https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#47

2. Firestorm debunked that, plus Cosmic Odyssey is written by Jim Starlin who tends to overrate or outscale his characters and ignore the status quo of the era, which at the time (1986-1994) was consistently tier 7 to 6.

3. Again, Pre-Zero Hour (ish, it's literally seconds before Zero Hour) which is consistently tier 7 to 6, but also Damage was amplifying it and Spectre was the one who put the final push of energy there

4. I discussed the Brainiac 13 thing here https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#87

5. Both Superman and Superboy Prime were depowered due to the Red Sun. Superman won out of pure skill, but Superboy Prime still literally murdered Kal-L outright with his brute strength. He also scales to characters typically portrayed waaaaay above Superman and Superman almost always just barely scrapes by in those fights due to being infinitely more intelligent and battle-savvy

6. Never heard the Dr. Sivana thing

7. Tesseract is just a cool name, but nothing to do with universal power as I understand

8. Never heard of the wonder woman lasso thing

9. Debunked the Red King here https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#126

10. The Imperiex Probes are certainly not universal, especially with scaling chains from Aquaman of all people. IDK about the Aquaman thing tho

11. I discussed it here https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#163

Cythonna always >>>> Superman, and Superman only did well when he was massively amped and she was massively weakened and still was losing when she revealed her true godly form when was still getting weakened regardless

12. Where is Thye Sting is dubiously canon and all just a dream in the first place. As Morning Star said, "The closest you could get to this would be one of the creators stating on twitter that it was an "illusion" like in Hindu mysticism and use some very generous logic to make it a true alternate reality. For obvious reasons, that wouldn't fly here, and nor should it."

13. I discussed the Aztek thing

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#106 https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#108 https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#117 https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#165

And the Lord of Time:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#123

14. IDK about the firestorm thing

15. Green Lantern scaling is inconsistent. For example, Green Lanterns are portrayed scalingwise far above Supes and the entire league, sometimes just a bit weaker but still more powerful potentially. One story by Morrison has the GL halt the entire antimatter Crime Syndicate with a construct and they couldn't break it. They are all 100% equal to the JLA

16. Power of the cosmos is vague and I discussed the Starman one:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#61 https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#63

The only ones I am iffy about and IDK is the Dr. Sivana thing, Wonderwoman creating timelines, and I will check the GL and Power of the Cosmos thing too. Also Aquaman destroying a universe???

1. Wait, even if they weren't destroying the Universe/It was basically brittle (Post-Crisis and Golden Age), PC Supes would still be scaling to Golden Age Superman, who is above Universal.

As for the rest, you really know your sh*t.

 

[Madotsuki24]

Yeah, that's the problem with DC, it's inconsistent. Too many outliers and parts where it's straight up PIS happen often, in fact, it's one of the most inconsistent franchises of all time... If there's one thing I would fix in DC, it would be inconsistencies.

 

[Ionliosite]

Yeah, that's the problem with DC, it's inconsistent. Too many outliers and parts where it's straight up PIS happen often, in fact, it's one of the most inconsistent franchises of all time... If there's one thing I would fix in DC, it would be inconsistencies.

Only Marvel is more incosistent.

 

[Ionliosite]

Should we close this thread, and let Firestorm808, PrinceOfTheMorning, and FanofRPGs handle this issue in peace on their own?

I personally think that's for the best.

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Yeah, that's the problem with DC, it's inconsistent. Too many outliers and parts where it's straight up PIS happen often, in fact, it's one of the most inconsistent franchises of all time... If there's one thing I would fix in DC, it would be inconsistencies.

Scaling is also hard because IIRC a lot of these "65 Feats" are him scaling to a different character's Universal feats, when all the character's feats are their only ones, making them outliers.

 

[FanofRPGs]

@PowerToScale
1. The Superman Clash I covered on here https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#47

2. Firestorm debunked that, plus Cosmic Odyssey is written by Jim Starlin who tends to overrate or outscale his characters and ignore the status quo of the era, which at the time (1986-1994) was consistently tier 7 to 6.

3. Again, Pre-Zero Hour (ish, it's literally seconds before Zero Hour) which is consistently tier 7 to 6, but also Damage was amplifying it and Spectre was the one who put the final push of energy there

4. I discussed the Brainiac 13 thing here https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#87

5. Both Superman and Superboy Prime were depowered due to the Red Sun. Superman won out of pure skill, but Superboy Prime still literally murdered Kal-L outright with his brute strength. He also scales to characters typically portrayed waaaaay above Superman and Superman almost always just barely scrapes by in those fights due to being infinitely more intelligent and battle-savvy

6. Never heard the Dr. Sivana thing

7. Tesseract is just a cool name, but nothing to do with universal power as I understand

8. Never heard of the wonder woman lasso thing

9. Debunked the Red King here https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#126

10. The Imperiex Probes are certainly not universal, especially with scaling chains from Aquaman of all people. IDK about the Aquaman thing tho

11. I discussed it here https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#163

Cythonna always >>>> Superman, and Superman only did well when he was massively amped and she was massively weakened and still was losing when she revealed her true godly form when was still getting weakened regardless

12. Where is Thye Sting is dubiously canon and all just a dream in the first place. As Morning Star said, "The closest you could get to this would be one of the creators stating on twitter that it was an "illusion" like in Hindu mysticism and use some very generous logic to make it a true alternate reality. For obvious reasons, that wouldn't fly here, and nor should it."

13. I discussed the Aztek thing

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#106 https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#108 https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#117 https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#165

And the Lord of Time:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#123

14. IDK about the firestorm thing

15. Green Lantern scaling is inconsistent. For example, Green Lanterns are portrayed scalingwise far above Supes and the entire league, sometimes just a bit weaker but still more powerful potentially. One story by Morrison has the GL halt the entire antimatter Crime Syndicate with a construct and they couldn't break it. They are all 100% equal to the JLA

16. Power of the cosmos is vague and I discussed the Starman one:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#61 https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3889211#63

The only ones I am iffy about and IDK is the Dr. Sivana thing, Wonderwoman creating timelines, and I will check the GL and Power of the Cosmos thing too. Also Aquaman destroying a universe???

1. Wait, even if they weren't destroying the Universe/It was basically brittle (Post-Crisis and Golden Age), PC Supes would still be scaling to Golden Age Superman, who is above Universal.
As for the rest, you really know your sh*t.

Golden Age Superman was well past his prime and frankly I don't like how we deal with Earth-1 Supes. He should have a varies key instead because he is so inconsistent it's off the charts and the Superman Kal-L fights in one issue is completely different from the big-bang tanking Supes seen later on. Plus IIRC, most of Kal-L's fights/times against Kal-El was in the silver age, not bronze age, before all the crazy universal stuff. Now Bronze Age is 2/3 as strong as Silver Age, but my point is that Golden Age Superman shouldn't scale to Silver Age Superman's highest end because SA/BA Supes is ridiculously inconsistent.

 

[Madotsuki24]

So would it be like this?


Varies from 4-B to at least 3-A, possibly Low 2-C

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

So would it be like this?


Varies from 4-B to at least 3-A, possibly Low 2-C

I'd say at least 4-B, possibly 3-A to Low 2-C

 

[FanofRPGs]

yes

Also I'm pretty sure Golden Age Superman is past his prime or they ignored many of his silver/bronze age appearances. Infinite Crisis thematically recognizes Silver Age as a chaotic and lawless overpowered era that is beyond what post crisis can think of and Golden Age as an idealistic simpler time before the convolution seen in either Silver/Bronze Age and Post Crisis. In a thematic sense, I.E that these are metatextually different worldviews, it would make more sense if Kal-L is isolated to just his Golden Age feats.

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

yes
Also I'm pretty sure Golden Age Superman is past his prime or they ignored many of his silver/bronze age appearances. Infinite Crisis thematically recognizes Silver Age as a chaotic and lawless overpowered era that is beyond what post crisis can think of and Golden Age as an idealistic simpler time before the convolution seen in either Silver/Bronze Age and Post Crisis. In a thematic sense, I.E that these are metatextually different worldviews, it would make more sense if Kal-L is isolated to just his Golden Age feats.

And that even works scaling wise since High 4-C and 4-B are pretty close... godamn it's hard to justify Superman being 3-A, which sucks because Post Crisis Supes is my favorite version of him.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

So we downgrading Superman (Original a.k.a Golden age)?

 

[Aardy9000]

So we downgrading Superman (Original a.k.a Golden age)?

No. We're just saying the one who fought Post-Crisis Supes was the 4-C one. Do you not see the key on his page?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

So that key is getting upgraded to 4-B?

 

[Aardy9000]

So that key is getting upgraded to 4-B?

Maybe, but that's not this subject. Maybe High 4-C, though, and either way 4-C vs 4-B being close makes sense to me, due to GA Supes' hax IIRC.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Also what would This be?

 

[PrinceOfTheMorning]

That's Superman getting hit by the tesseract weapon.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Yes, but what Hax would be get from surviving getting cut into several Pieces?

 

[PrinceOfTheMorning]

Actually, correction, I just pulled my copy off the shelf to check. I don't think it was a weapon.

Anyway, Superman was pulled back together a few pages after, although it wasn't clear if that was his doing or if it was because the tesseracts were gone. In the first case it's a great regen feat, but in either case it's a great showing of Type 2 Immortality.

 

[Antvasima]

@POTM & FanofRPGs

Should I close this thread so you can collaborate with Firestorm808 on an official Superman explanation and debunk page for this wiki?