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No. 4-A is astronomically higher than 4-B. See here: Attack Potency
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Everyone wants to upgrade this guy.
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Do we know how far into 4-B Superman is though? If he's average 4-B, then wouldn't a casual backhand from Cythonna imply at least double strength, which would be at the edge of 4-B and start of 4-A?
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Nah. 4-B has a range of like 880 billion from top to bottom. You could kill Superman with a tongue jab and still only be 4-B.
As for Ares I wouldn't instantly scale anyone to 4-A because they fought him. Gods generally have varying power levels in DC/Marvel.
As for Ares I wouldn't instantly scale anyone to 4-A because they fought him. Gods generally have varying power levels in DC/Marvel.
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Well Ares is rated at 4-A, but what about DC Thor? I heard he has some good feats in sandman
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If Superman doesn't make the cut for average 4-B, shouldn't he then be marked Low 4-B? Due to the wide range of 4-B, the average is exactly half the upper limit.
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Our system doesn't use Low 4-B. Please read the Attack Potency and Tiering System pages.
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Ah, I see it was defined as no longer being used.
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I don't know if it has or not, I was going off the wording stated.
Low
Currently used to denote low end of a particular tier, it will here-on no longer be utilized in that manner. "Low" will be utilized only if the instance matches with the revised Attack Potency chart.
The here-on implies it has been applied at some point but no longer is.
Is https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:The_real_cal_howard/Superman,_the_Prince_of_Pushing the best AP calculated feat for this version of Supes? This would imply he's at the very low end of 4-B. If Supes is upgraded, would others who scale to him also be upgraded?
Low
Currently used to denote low end of a particular tier, it will here-on no longer be utilized in that manner. "Low" will be utilized only if the instance matches with the revised Attack Potency chart.
The here-on implies it has been applied at some point but no longer is.
Is https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:The_real_cal_howard/Superman,_the_Prince_of_Pushing the best AP calculated feat for this version of Supes? This would imply he's at the very low end of 4-B. If Supes is upgraded, would others who scale to him also be upgraded?
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Superman is 4-B. He's rated at like 597 foe to a couple kilofoe. Its just that one shotting him isn't isn't to warrent a 4-A rating.ChemistKyle89 said:
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Ares is weird cause he can flutuate between Wonder Woman level to Multiversal Higher-Dimensional God. Like with New Gods, the Greek Gods aren't very wise to use for scaling.
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Superman has withstood a barrage of attacks from Flash-level speedsters before I guess, but I don't know if he's actually ever been hit by a IMP.
As for 616 kilofoe thing, I thought Gwyn's 1.08 kilofoe end was accepted, not Matt's end.
As for 616 kilofoe thing, I thought Gwyn's 1.08 kilofoe end was accepted, not Matt's end.
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Probably should be closed imo. No argument made so far is gonna result in any upgrades.
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Aren't we removing the Green lantern and Shattered God Speed feats?
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Flash used the IMP on a white Martian who stated he had the density of Superman and said Martian lived. Also there is probably some scaling of the IMP to Reverse Flash and that to GL that would let it scale to Superman.FanofRPGs said:
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Green Lantern speed feats aren't going anywhere.
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FanofRPGs said:
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"Known for using wormholes"
Not for the feats that are calced.
Not for the feats that are calced.
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Depends. Purely going off numbers it's a big outlier.
Wally has an unamped speed feat about 3 sextillion c. WW's feat, lowballed as much as possible, gives her reactions over 17 times faster.
On the other hand, WW can approach the Speed Force barrier which is unquantifiably faster than the speed Wally was going when he performed that feat. It happens at a greater speed than breaking the time barrier by pure speed alone, so it's straight up immeasurable.
You can either give Diana the serious Wally scaling or (and I think I prefer this option) you can remove the Shattered God feat and instead scale her to Lanterns.
Wally has an unamped speed feat about 3 sextillion c. WW's feat, lowballed as much as possible, gives her reactions over 17 times faster.
On the other hand, WW can approach the Speed Force barrier which is unquantifiably faster than the speed Wally was going when he performed that feat. It happens at a greater speed than breaking the time barrier by pure speed alone, so it's straight up immeasurable.
You can either give Diana the serious Wally scaling or (and I think I prefer this option) you can remove the Shattered God feat and instead scale her to Lanterns.
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Please don't quote massive walls of text.
The post you quoted didn't know about all feats.
The post you quoted didn't know about all feats.
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Doesn't Wally almost break into the speed force by going light speed at times?
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What is the sextillion Flash feat?
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What exactly "light speed" is as a concept in DC Comics, is frankly a can of worms that should probably stay shut. Just know that as of the Speed Force being officially defined by Johns, you need to break the light barrier, the time barrier, then finally the Speed Force barrier to get in to the Speed Force.
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@Prince, noted and good point.
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When could WW reach the speed force barrier?
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Ah, I debunked that in my blog.
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Then it's not a speed feat. There was a giant hole leading to the speedforce that WW kept through and more importantly they explictly did not break the barrier, just get close to it. The most it is in-context is a vague FTL feat.
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Did WW ever hit Zoom in their fight btw?
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There's never been a sanctioned race between the two or a friendly race like with Superman/Flash or Superman/Supergirl (mostly since while they are fast, speed has never really been a focus for GLs). The most you'll find is them flying together for inter-stellar travel.
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