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Everybody Wants to Rule The World 2: Electric Boogaloo Meta 1
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Horrible things
Read the arguments from me and Yobo above and decide which you agree with.
Read the arguments from me and Yobo above and decide which you agree with.
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https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2294828#198
Start there, that's where our arguments are summarised from
Start there, that's where our arguments are summarised from
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(This ended up being longer than originally intended...)
Tbh, I agree with Monarch on a majority of the argumentsthat I bothered to fully read
But the most important thing imo is the sensing. I don't think a player should have to actively say whether or not they're using (or paying attention to) a passive ability like sensing, unless of course the ability itself requires activation beforehand (like my own sensing with Meruem).
Whether or not something is noticed shouldn't be left to random chance. Especially when in Yobo and Hl3's situation they would have to be practically brain-dead to not be actively looking for an enemy that they literally couldn't see. Focusing on your other senses should be a no-brainer in this situation. Now if they had their attention diverted or were under some level of mental interference such as panic/confuse/fear/distress (etc), then it would make sense as to why they couldn't fully take advantage.
Random chance works in D&D because everybody starts at a base human level and can freely put tangible points into certain skills to sway the results of the dice roll in their favor. The player is actively responsible for making sure their character is "good at" a certain thing because everyone starts on a level playing field. Something like superhuman senses to the extent of most fictional characters would apply a massive plus modifier that would probably break a d&d session if everyone else didn't have access to such skills.
And I guess to clarify, I don't think there was any foul play (especially not intentionally) from either Monarch or Crimson. What they pulled off was brilliant. I just think the execution wasn't the best in that one area.
Tbh, I agree with Monarch on a majority of the arguments
But the most important thing imo is the sensing. I don't think a player should have to actively say whether or not they're using (or paying attention to) a passive ability like sensing, unless of course the ability itself requires activation beforehand (like my own sensing with Meruem).
Whether or not something is noticed shouldn't be left to random chance. Especially when in Yobo and Hl3's situation they would have to be practically brain-dead to not be actively looking for an enemy that they literally couldn't see. Focusing on your other senses should be a no-brainer in this situation. Now if they had their attention diverted or were under some level of mental interference such as panic/confuse/fear/distress (etc), then it would make sense as to why they couldn't fully take advantage.
Random chance works in D&D because everybody starts at a base human level and can freely put tangible points into certain skills to sway the results of the dice roll in their favor. The player is actively responsible for making sure their character is "good at" a certain thing because everyone starts on a level playing field. Something like superhuman senses to the extent of most fictional characters would apply a massive plus modifier that would probably break a d&d session if everyone else didn't have access to such skills.
And I guess to clarify, I don't think there was any foul play (especially not intentionally) from either Monarch or Crimson. What they pulled off was brilliant. I just think the execution wasn't the best in that one area.
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Life sensing isn't. Gio was concentrating on sensing life whenever he did it. Sonar isn't, it needs to be actively used.
Dino senses and Demiya's senses are though. The argument is that even if your senses are passive, that doesn't mean you're going to pick up on something you're not paying attention to.
In a busy room you hear the sounds of everyone's conversations, but you don't know what they are saying unless you actually try to pay attention to it.
Dino senses and Demiya's senses are though. The argument is that even if your senses are passive, that doesn't mean you're going to pick up on something you're not paying attention to.
In a busy room you hear the sounds of everyone's conversations, but you don't know what they are saying unless you actually try to pay attention to it.
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The equivalent of a busy room in this case would mean there were multiple signatures for their senses to pick up, which from my understanding wasn't the case here. Nor did they have their senses impeded, attention diverted, or mind impacted enough to where they shouldn't logically be focusing on their senses by default as I said above.
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They were focused on the Shadow though, not on Rose.
Demiya's senses wouldn't help anyway, good sight wouldn't see through the false flesh, it's indistinguishable from normal skin.
Dino senses were all that mattered.
Demiya's senses wouldn't help anyway, good sight wouldn't see through the false flesh, it's indistinguishable from normal skin.
Dino senses were all that mattered.
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And it's harder to pick up on a smell not being there than it being there.
Normal people would smell of bones too. If anything, he'd need to realise there's no smell of flesh or blood rather than realise I smell of bones.
Normal people would smell of bones too. If anything, he'd need to realise there's no smell of flesh or blood rather than realise I smell of bones.
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I don't remember any good feats for his sense of smell.
Sight definitely, but smell no.
Sight definitely, but smell no.
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Monarch
You are either biotic enough to not be turned into an animal
Or you are abiotic enough to be unaffected by life overload
Pick one
You cannot be both because that violates basic logic
You are either biotic enough to not be turned into an animal
Or you are abiotic enough to be unaffected by life overload
Pick one
You cannot be both because that violates basic logic
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No
I am biotic because bones are biological
I am not alive and thus not affected by life injection.
In order for transmutation to work it needs to be abiotic
In order for life injection to work it needs to be alive, and also have a brain at that.
I am none of those
I am biotic because bones are biological
I am not alive and thus not affected by life injection.
In order for transmutation to work it needs to be abiotic
In order for life injection to work it needs to be alive, and also have a brain at that.
I am none of those
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Bones are calcium, the only part of you that may be biological is the bone marrow, and that's debatable
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Also, saying that the shadow was getting hit by the reflection is like someone shooting a gun at the dog and the gun getting damaged
That's obviously not what happens and you should be melting rm
That's obviously not what happens and you should be melting rm
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Now you're saying bones aren't biological? Spooktober's messed you up man.
And No
The Shadow is an independent entity that I have control over, not merely a power of mine.
It's more like saying that if I tell a dog to attack the life creatures, the dog gets hurt instead of me
And No
The Shadow is an independent entity that I have control over, not merely a power of mine.
It's more like saying that if I tell a dog to attack the life creatures, the dog gets hurt instead of me
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Calcium isnt biological
Ok, that makes send even if you're the one controlling it
Ok, that makes send even if you're the one controlling it
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There was only meant to be one, but you showed up and followed hl3
What sort of compromise?
What sort of compromise?
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I am to blame for this situacion.
I feel like i didn't do a good job on anything. I apologize for this.
I feel like i didn't do a good job on anything. I apologize for this.
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What you say : compromiseYobobojojo said:
What I hear: throwing Hl3 under a ******* bus kek
Know what, I'd be fine if we just reversed time back to when disguised me ran into Hl3 and this time he takes a big sniff
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Name: Alatreon
Age: 23
Appearance: Hazama
Gender: Male
Character: Utsuro
Verse of Origin: BlazBlue
About type 8: it's pretty easy to get around it. Just send me to a pocket dimension or another planet etc. I'm dependent on the energy of the planet fueling me. Somehow cutting my connection by being too far is one way to do it.
I also made revision to the whole verse. His Regen is Mid-High.
Age: 23
Appearance: Hazama
Gender: Male
Character: Utsuro
Verse of Origin: BlazBlue
About type 8: it's pretty easy to get around it. Just send me to a pocket dimension or another planet etc. I'm dependent on the energy of the planet fueling me. Somehow cutting my connection by being too far is one way to do it.
I also made revision to the whole verse. His Regen is Mid-High.
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''Shiro do your damn fight with Psycho on the original thread''
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Uuugh, I don't wanna do that anymore. Kill me. Kill me Lord English, head my call!
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What you say : compromise
What I hear: throwing Hl3 under a ******* bus kek
Know what, I'd be fine if we just reversed time back to when disguised me ran into Hl3 and this time he takes a big sniff
Boi you can kill me for all I care. I have a doc full of new characters I can use instead
What I hear: throwing Hl3 under a ******* bus kek
Know what, I'd be fine if we just reversed time back to when disguised me ran into Hl3 and this time he takes a big sniff
Boi you can kill me for all I care. I have a doc full of new characters I can use instead
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Yah but
Hl3 killed my corpse puppet
Also he has life powers and rose hates life powers
Hl3 killed my corpse puppet
Also he has life powers and rose hates life powers
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Also I sleep now
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What's the tier cap for second?Edwellken said:
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Monarch Laciel wrote Know what, I'd be fine if we just reversed time back to when disguised me ran into Hl3 and this time he takes a big sniff
Are we all fine with this?
Are we all fine with this?
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