Eternals discussion thread

[Dalesean027]

I don't remember there being any indication that the Deviants posed a direct threat to the Celestial seeds, as they just seemed to attempt wiping out life on the planet to prevent the Celestial from hatching.

Also with this yeah Dino is absolutely correct the Eternals wouldn't be 6-A for the celestial seed(not saying a calc can't be found that gets them there but scaling to the celestials normally is a no go) because the seed itself was never in any danger physically other than the danger of not being able to be birthed due to the world's population of humans being wiped out by deviants which the Eternals needed to stop in order to birth it

Unless there's something else I'm forgetting, it seems like at bare minimum, everyone should be "At least High 6-C" going by Ikaris's casual cloud parting feat. While Makkari is the fastest, the others would downscale to her considering Ikaris could react to her over time.

Agreed on this but if there's a higher calc for Ikaris that can be extrapolated then it should likely be used as long as it doesn't reach celestial ranges of power

There are a lot of profiles that can be made, from the Eternals themselves (Sprite, Druig, Ajak, Sersi, Phastos, Gilgamesh, Kingo, Ikaris, Thena and Makkari) to the Celestials (a general Celestial page and probably a separate Arishem page. Tiamut is probably a no, considering he didn't even finish hatching before being turned to stone) and the Deviants (a general Deviant page and a separate Kro page) Dane Whitman has no feats to warrant a profile...yet.

This should work but also we need to upgrade Eson the searcher to 5-A due to how Celestial are born

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Why is Eson so small compared to the other Celestials? Or are the Celestials capable of altering their sizes?

 

[Dalesean027]

Why is Eson so small compared to the other Celestials? Or are the Celestials capable of altering their sizes?

That is a mystery but going into this that's what I figured though that's not concrete ofc until we're shown that

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

That is a mystery but going into this that's what I figured though that's not concrete ofc until we're shown that

INB4 Eson the Searcher becomes Eson the Aborter

Spoiler: Game Theory

If Eternals are the guys they send to keep a planet's population intact for a Celestial birth.

Eson is the guy they send to stop a Celestial birth by wiping out the planet's population.

Either

The Eternals on the planet failed and got overrun by Deviants

Or the population developed in a way the Celestials didn't like.

 

[Dalesean027]

INB4 Eson the Searcher becomes Eson the Aborter

Spoiler: Game Theory

If Eternals are the guys they send to keep a planet's population intact for a Celestial birth.

Eson is the guy they send to stop a Celestial birth by wiping out the planet's population.

Either

The Eternals on the planet failed and got overrun by Deviants

Or the population developed in a way the Celestials didn't like.

That actually makes sense I don't believe it's far off either considering that wjat we basically saw of him

 

[Revan_Laha]

This cutscene from Contest of Champions actually shows Ikaris and Sersi surviving a planet exploding

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ok but why are we using non canon games as justification

 

[Revan_Laha]

Ok but why are we using non canon games as justification

Contest of Champions is canon to the Multiverse as a whole tho. Guillotine is canon to 616.

Jeannine Sauvage (Earth-616)

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[Revan_Laha]

It was literally the first appearance of White Fox

Ami Han (Earth-616)

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[Emirp sumitpo]

But is it even canon to the MCU?

 

[Revan_Laha]

But is it even canon to the MCU?

I've read the comic. The plot is that Maestro picks up random people from the Multiverse. They even use the same origins as MCU Eternals. It's not like Future Revolution that the characters use MCU designs but have the same origins as 616.

 

[Revan_Laha]

Plus they are literally voiced by the Madden and Chan and their faces are made to look like their MCU counterparts.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

But wouldn't that just cause scaling problems? Like if say they fought 616 characters who are 4-B, would they be 4-B? That in itself would be an extreme outlier.

They even use the same origins as MCU Eternals. It's not like Future Revolution that the characters use MCU designs but have the same origins as 616.

And so do many other games and shows.

 

[Revan_Laha]

But wouldn't that just cause scaling problems? Like if say they fought 616 characters who are 4-B, would they be 4-B? That in itself would be an extreme outlier.


And so do many other games and shows.

Cutscenes and game mechanics have different rules in this wiki. Like, Doomslayer would get killed by rando 9-B demons in gameplay. Cutscenes and lore again put him at godly levels. Black Widow can defeat Thanos in Future Revolution, but Thanos extinguished stars in the official description

 

[Revan_Laha]

Also, I just realised, a few Deviants were shown to survive the dinosaur extinction meteor at close range, and someone here calculated that the individual durability required to do it is High 6-C

 

[Dinobot1996]

Okay, so apparently, I was correct that Starfox is still an Eternal in the MCU in addition to being a Titan, as he does refer to Druig, Thena, and Makkari as "my fellow Eternals". We still don't currently have any statements or feats to suggest Thanos scales to Eternals, however.

Also, I just realised, a few Deviants were shown to survive the dinosaur extinction meteor at close range, and someone here calculated that the individual durability required to do it is High 6-C

High 6-C is looking more consistent between this and the Ikaris cloud feat both being at that level.

 

[Revan_Laha]

Okay, so apparently, I was correct that Starfox is still an Eternal in the MCU in addition to being a Titan, as he does refer to Druig, Thena, and Makkari as "my fellow Eternals". We still don't currently have any statements or feats to suggest Thanos scales to Eternals, however.

It makes no sense for Starfox to be an Eternal and not his biological brother Thanos. We can argue Thanos to be weaker because he's younger, only 1000 years old.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Them being the same species doesn't make them on par

Also, I just realised, a few Deviants were shown to survive the dinosaur extinction meteor at close range, and someone here calculated that the individual durability required to do it is High 6-C

If you're referring to the Godzilla one, then no, the Deviants shouldn't scale to that calc as results would vary depending on the distance.

Cutscenes and game mechanics have different rules in this wiki. Like, Doomslayer would get killed by rando 9-B demons in gameplay. Cutscenes and lore again put him at godly levels. Black Widow can defeat Thanos in Future Revolution, but Thanos extinguished stars in the official description

Where are the rules for the first part?

 

[Gitagon]

It makes no sense for Starfox to be an Eternal and not his biological brother Thanos. We can argue Thanos to be weaker because he's younger, only 1000 years old.

Thanos is an Eternal with the Deviant gene in the comics and it's probably the same in the MCU.

 

[Reyne]

Thanos is an Eternal with the Deviant gene in the comics and it's probably the same in the MCU.

Given that the only deaths have been through energy depletion, and that they can bleed, Thanos being an Eternal isn't that bad. We know he bleeds, and he wasn't killed through energy depletion. In the MCU's case, I believe the Deviant gene, or mutation in general (as to not negate the Deviant interference statement), cut off his ties to the energy utilized by other Eternals and the Celestials.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Thanos is an Eternal with the Deviant gene in the comics and it's probably the same in the MCU.

Just because he was like that in the comics doesn't mean he is like that in the MCU

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Okay, it's ya boi, I'm back with another calc and it's just the inverse square law one I talked about. If the vision is taken as true, it's another country level feat

 

[Revan_Laha]

Okay, it's ya boi, I'm back with another calc and it's just the inverse square law one I talked about. If the vision is taken as true, it's another country level feat

So it's consistent. With the very casual High 6-C

 

[Dalesean027]

Okay, it's ya boi, I'm back with another calc and it's just the inverse square law one I talked about. If the vision is taken as true, it's another country level feat

That should work then

 

[Revan_Laha]

You should put them in a blog so we can get the revisions working

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

You should put them in a blog so we can get the revisions working

Sure but I'm gonna need you to do somethings for me if you can. Could you get clips of both Sersi's vision of the Emergence and Makkari running to find where the Emergence is? I'm gonna need scans for the blog since I don't want to look like I'm pulling feats out of my ass

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

pulling feats out of my ass

But aren't those the best kind

 

[Revan_Laha]

Here's the Makkari running one

 

[Revan_Laha]

I am downloading the movie. Will screen record, upload on Tumblr, then send the link

 

[ThanatosX]

Just finished watching the movie. It was honestly better than I expected!
I especially liked how the Celestials were potrayed, they looked really intimidating.

 

[Dalesean027]

It was honestly better than I expected!

This part gets me each time but still glad you enjoyed it

 

[Revan_Laha]

Uploaded

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Uploaded

I’ll put it on the sandbox and blog later. I’m on mobile rn and I don’t want to deal with mobile editing cuz it sucks

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

About to watch the movie

 

[Dalesean027]

About to watch the movie

Enjoy

 

[Revan_Laha]

It's legit funny that Thanos handed 6 Infinity Stones when the Celestials could handle one. At least 4-C Thanos

 

[Revan_Laha]

This is canon

 

[Dalesean027]

It's legit funny that Thanos handed 6 Infinity Stones when the Celestials could handle one. At least 4-C Thanos

??

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

??

I think he’s talking about Eson only using the power stone. Though logic is kinda weird since he only had access to the power stone and not the others

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I think he’s talking about Eson only using the power stone. Though logic is kinda weird since he only had access to the power stone and not the others

Size matters for a Celestial I guess? Other Celestials are planetary or larger in size while Eson is possibly only in the hundreds or thousands of meters in size.

Other Celestials would be easily be able to affect planetary sized bodies given their size, Eson probably not.

That's where the Power Stone comes in handy for planetary life wipes