Esper vs Blob

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Rimuru web novel is outdated.(Plus I don't want to use it)

He will survive as long as his soul is alive. It will not make sense in the story if Rimuru died from something that isnt spiritual attack

 

[Accelerate420]

What the hell do you mean "I don't want to use it?" You're going to purposely ignore the rules of the thread? Lol.

 

[GLHF22]

i mean soul level absorption, even absops ifrit and demons who doesnt have physical body

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

So what you are saying is that this would be a stomp because Kakine can do nothing to souls?

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

What the hell do you mean "I don't want to use it?" You're going to purposely ignore the rules of the thread? Lol.

No I mean I don't like using web novel Rimuru in debate I like light novel RImuru

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Rimuru can only absorb Kakine's soul if the later feels fear, which wont happen

And he probably doesnt even have a soul

 

[GLHF22]

Rimuru web novel is outdated.(Plus I don't want to use it)
He will survive as long as his soul is alive. It will not make sense in the story if Rimuru died from something that isnt spiritual attack

i dont know this, i read web novel from chapter 50+ so i skipped a lot

 

[Accelerate420]

At most what will happen here is an inconclusive as Kakine cannot feel fear nor has a soul as he's just pure Matter. Kakine's profile is also outdated in itself. I don't care what you think makes sense, I'm just following the profiles and the rules.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Rimuru web novel is outdated.(Plus I don't want to use it)
He will survive as long as his soul is alive. It will not make sense in the story if Rimuru died from something that isnt spiritual attack

i dont know this

Remember the Hinata fight

 

[Accelerate420]

i mean soul level absorption, even absops ifrit and demons who doesnt have physical body

Kakine has no soul.

 

[GLHF22]

Rimuru web novel is outdated.(Plus I don't want to use it)
He will survive as long as his soul is alive. It will not make sense in the story if Rimuru died from something that isnt spiritual attack

i dont know this

Remember the Hinata fight

because Rimuru cannot be defeated by Physical attack, so in order to bypass this Hinata attact his spiritual body

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

I think it's leading towards incon right now

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

So, I will be voting for inconclusive as this will never end.

 

[Accelerate420]

I don't think it is since Kakine has win-cons that he can easily accomplish.

 

[GLHF22]

i mean soul level absorption, even absops ifrit and demons who doesnt have physical body

Kakine has no soul.

and soul doenst have physical matter yet he still absorbs

 

[Accelerate420]

i mean soul level absorption, even absops ifrit and demons who doesnt have physical body

Kakine has no soul.

and soul doenst have physical matter

What is your point? DM is matter. It doesn't have a soul. His personality is just information inputted into him.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Absorbing really doesn't matter unless he absorbs all Kakines and every last molecule of dark matter that exists.

Which is unlikely as Kakine divides, like a lot.

 

[GLHF22]

i mean soul level absorption, even absops ifrit and demons who doesnt have physical body

Kakine has no soul.

and soul doenst have physical matter

What is your point? DM is matter. It doesn't have a soul. His personality is just information inputted into him.

my point is he can absobs and suck even the smallest physical matter

 

[Accelerate420]

Anyways. Voting for Kakine, as I said.

 

[GLHF22]

okay


kakine : 1

Incon : 2

 

[Accelerate420]

i mean soul level absorption, even absops ifrit and demons who doesnt have physical body

Kakine has no soul.

and soul doenst have physical matter

What is your point? DM is matter. It doesn't have a soul. His personality is just information inputted into him.

my point is he can absobs and suck even the smallest physical matter

Cool. Good luck absorbing Matter that he can't see. It doesn't change anything because he can place it anywhere in the world.

 

[GLHF22]

Magic Perception: The ability to perceive the surrounding magical energy.

• In addition, the user is able to observe how waves disturb the nearby magical energy, then use that information to calculate the visual, auditory and other wave-based information of the surroundings. Magic Sense also grants the ability to understand and express the intent of spoken words even if the language of the conversation partner is unknown.
• Magic Perception enables users to be aware of their environment in battle even if blind or deaf and prevent a surprise attack.

 

[Accelerate420]

Magic Perception: The ability to perceive the surrounding magical energy.

• In addition, the user is able to observe how waves disturb the nearby magical energy, then use that information to calculate the visual, auditory and other wave-based information of the surroundings. Magic Sense also grants the ability to understand and express the intent of spoken words even if the language of the conversation partner is unknown.
• Magic Perception enables users to be aware of their environment in battle even if blind or deaf and prevent a surprise attack.

Dark Matter isn't Magic.

 

[GLHF22]

but is still a matter

 

[Accelerate420]

Where does it say he can perceive Matter?

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Dark Matter isn't normal matter. It doesn't even hold the same physical laws, it wouldn't really interact with magical energy the same.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Kakine can't even kill or touch Rimuru based on what I'm seeing in his profile

Rimuru still has thought accel which can increase his thought process by 1,000,000

 

[GLHF22]

The moment I had activate the Extra Skill『Magic Power Perception』, my mind was filled with information.
Never, even when I was a human, had I processed that much information at once.
Little by little, magic essence moving along―waves of light and sound.
Having grasped all of the incoming information, I convert it into one I can understand.
When I was a human, the front field of vision wasn't even 180 degrees.

And right now, I can "see" 360 degrees all around me, without a blind spot.

The boulder's shadow or the scenery 100 meters away: if I direct my consciousness there, I can see it.
If a human's mind was filled with that much information… it just might fry and went crazy.
But, I am a slime. Every one of my cells is a muscle and a brain cell!
I can definitely manage this much.
And so…


magic essence is same as light and waves, and he can preceive that.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Dark Matter isn't normal matter. It doesn't even hold the same physical laws, it wouldn't really interact with magical energy the same.

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[Accelerate420]

"Kakine can't kill or touch Rimuru"

Yes. It's called atomization.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Which doesnt include souls plus he's way faster than Kakine in this case because of thought accel

 

[GLHF22]

Dark Matter isn't normal matter. It doesn't even hold the same physical laws, it wouldn't really interact with magical energy the same.

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with magic even Rimuru can change physical laws at will, see his profile

 

[GLHF22]

Dark Matter isn't normal matter. It doesn't even hold the same physical laws, it wouldn't really interact with magical energy the same.

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Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception, Master Swordsma, Self-Sustenance (Types 1, 2 and 3), Aura, Martial Arts, Magic, Small Size (Type 1 as a slime), Thread Manipulation, Poison Manipulation, Natural Weaponry (With Body Armor), Elemental Manipulation (Fire Manipulation, Water Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Wind Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Plasma Manipulation, Hellfire Manipulation, Darkness Manipulation), Fusionism, Energy Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, Blessed, Telepathy, Creation, Shapeshifting, Inorganic Physiology (Type 1), Forcefield Creation, Regenerationn (High-Mid; Can regenerate from a small piece of his body), Memory Manipulation, Power Absorption (Can steal the abilities of others), Regenerationn Negation (Up to High-Mid), Weapon Creation, Duplication, Absorption, Summoning, Teleportation, Flight, Corrosion Inducement, Decomposition, Information Manipulation, Information Analysis, Genius Intelligence, Sound Manipulation, Non-Physical Interaction, Law Manipulation (Can uses Spirit Magic which invokes change in physical laws), From Intimidation skill: Sleep Manipulation and Fear Manipulation, Unconventional Resistance to Power Nullification, Power Modification, Power Absorption and Power Mimicry (Skills are inscribed into the soul which resists any outside interference unless the interference is stronger than the soul's defenses, furthermore Unique Skills and above require a strong soul to possess them), Resistance to: Physical Attacks, Death Manipulation, Possession, Paralysis, Electricity Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Poisons, Corrosion Inducement, Pain Manipulation, Information Manipulation (Magic Senses overloads the brain with so much information it would have killed a normal human, but can be used casually), Data Manipulation (The information from Magic Sense is turned into data, which overloads the human brain, but can be used casually), Law Manipulation (Can resist the effect of Holy Barrier which affects the laws of the world), Memory Manipulation(Individuals surpassing A rank have high resistances, and their memories are protected by their soul), Soul Manipulation and Mind Manipulation (Has a strong soul which allowed him to cross the boundaries between worlds, and should somewhat resisted Yuuki's control like Hinata which can affect at 350,000 people)


here if you lazy to read

 

[Accelerate420]

Which doesnt include souls plus he's way faster than Kakine in this case because of thought accel

So you're doing mental gymnastics now because you don't want Rimuru to have even a chance of losing, so you're basing it off a profile this fight isn't even about????

Changing DM laws won't mean much when he can change it to whatever he want after the fact anyways.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I really think you don't understand what am I saying.

Let me say it again, but actually read carefully please. Dark Matter isn't matter, it doesn't interact with stuff like matter. Magic Detection works by seeing how Matter interacts with magic and computing from there. But that is all meaningless when Dark Matter wouldn't interact with magic like matter because it has completely different laws unlike any matter in this world.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Which doesnt include souls plus he's way faster than Kakine in this case because of thought accel

This rimuru doesnt have Low Godly so Atomization will work

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Why? Because that's how Hinata can even damage Rimuru because of her spiritual attack.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Why? Because that's how Hinata can even damage Rimuru because of her spiritual attack.

That doesnt mean he regens from his soul....at all

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Because he's not taking damage from the soul at all

He can make another clone which will transfer his thoughts

 

[GLHF22]

I really think you don't understand what am I saying.
Let me say it again, but actually read carefully please. Dark Matter isn't matter, it doesn't interact with stuff like matter. Magic Detection works by seeing how Matter interacts with magic and computing from there. But that is all meaningless when Dark Matter wouldn't interact with magic like matter because it has completely different laws unlike any matter in this world.

different laws didnt prevent him to preceive the said matter, heck if thats true he cant even see ultimate skill user as they are slipped from the laws of the world, even when time stopped all matters even light is stopped yet Magic sense can still see everything if you can maintain your conciousness in stopped time.