Esper vs Blob

[GLHF22]

Kakine cant feel fear. He doesnt have organs nor a brain iirc

and so spiritual life forms

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

So first, what can Kakine do to beat Rim?

Atomization

 

[GLHF22]

Lol I thought this is light novel so he doesnt have aura here yet

he have

 

[Accelerate420]

So going through his first key: Rimuru has nothing that can put Kakine down. Even if he absorbs him, he'll have plenty more clones to take his place anyways.

For the second key, Soul Manipulation is the only applicable thing to kill Kakine here but since he is just pure information and inanimate at this point he lacks a Soul so that won't work.

Kakine's wincon seems to be atomization. So what can Rimuru do?

 

[GLHF22]

So going through his first key: Rimuru has nothing that can put Kakine down. Even if he absorbs him, he'll have plenty more clones to take his place anyways.
For the second key, Soul Manipulation is the only applicable thing to kill Kakine here but since he is just pure information and inanimate at this point he lacks a Soul so that won't work.

Kakine's wincon seems to be atomization. So what can Rimuru do?

everyone in To aru have soul IIRC so you have to proof that he doesnt have soul and give him immunity to soul manip if that true


how thats work?

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Rimuru has High-Mid Regenerationn here (I'm sure that was supposed to be high regen since he can regenarate from Molecular level)

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Its on his profile already. He is made of Dark Matter

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Rimuru has High-Mid Regenerationn here (I'm sure that was supposed to be high regen since he can regenarate from Molecular level)

High Mid doesnt save you from atomization

 

[Accelerate420]

So going through his first key: Rimuru has nothing that can put Kakine down. Even if he absorbs him, he'll have plenty more clones to take his place anyways.
For the second key, Soul Manipulation is the only applicable thing to kill Kakine here but since he is just pure information and inanimate at this point he lacks a Soul so that won't work.

Kakine's wincon seems to be atomization. So what can Rimuru do?

everyone in To aru have soul IIRC so you have to proof that he doesnt have soul and give him immunity to soul manip if that true


how thats work?

Why would you think pure information/inanimate object has a soul? Kakine is just Matter in this form and is following a personality that's inputted into him.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

He can absorb him

 

[Accelerate420]

Rimuru has High-Mid Regenerationn here (I'm sure that was supposed to be high regen since he can regenarate from Molecular level)

High mid is nowhere near molecular level from what the wiki says. Even if it's High, what stops Kakine from just absorbing the molecules? He can absorb Matter at a sub-atomic level.

 

[Accelerate420]

He can absorb him

Who, Rimuru? He can't. Kakine can spawn infinite DM clones and so long as he leaves a single atom of DM in the world he will always spawn and regenerate.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

I mean to kill Rimuru you need to destroy his soul completly

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I mean to kill Rimuru you need to destroy his soul completly

Make a CRT and add Low Godly to his profile, then

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Who, Rimuru? He can't. Kakine can spawn infinite DM clones and so long as he leaves a single atom of DM in the world he will always spawn and regenerate.

He can get his powers if he absorb a clone

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Sorry I forgot how Web novel early Rim works so gonna read his profile a bit

 

[Accelerate420]

I don't see low godly on his profile nor proof that he can do so in these the second key.

He'd be atomized by then since Kakine immediately starts off by multiplying himself and absorbing Rimuru.

 

[GLHF22]

does he have to transfer his dark matter to use his atomization?

 

[GLHF22]

I don't see low godly on his profile nor proof that he can do so in these the second key.
He'd be atomized by then since Kakine immediately starts off by multiplying himself and absorbing Rimuru.

just want to say something here, the only wincon for kakine is atomization because if he absorbs Rimuru means he have to face Veldora

 

[Accelerate420]

What does facing Veldora do?

Iirc Dark Matter doesn't require a transfer as he can create wherever in the world but I'd have to re-read the volume.

 

[GLHF22]

Whats do you think will happen?

 

[Accelerate420]

I don't think that matters because it's a fight between the two of them. So if he absorbs Rimuru then that's still a win con.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Wall of text incoming (Sorry it's quite confusing to figure out what abilities Rimuru have in this key since his profile is a mess)

He has infinite stamina too.

Predator

Predation: Absorbs the target into his body, absorbing all organic matter, inorganic matter, skills, and magic they may have on their person. However, the success rate sharply drops if the target is conscious.

Food Chain: The ability to acquire all the skills of his subordinates. Additionally, Rimuru can convert the skills he gained from his subordinates into energy to strengthen himself.

Supply: Whether a subordinate or not, Rimuru can grant an ability unto a monster with whom he has a relationship with.

Gluttony

Decay: The ability to decompose the target and also add a decomposition status effect. There is a chance of acquiring a random ability after consuming only a part of a monster's corpse.

Battle Mode: Ciel can control Rimuru's body and enter Battle Mode.

Cloning: Rimuru can create a clone of himself that can operate within a kilometer of the original.

All of Creation: An ability that allows Rimuru to comprehend any non-concealed phenomenon. In addition, it improves his analytical abilities to the point that it is nearly impossible for him to analyze his surroundings incorrectly and eliminating the risks of his analysis backfiring on him. Parallel Processing: An ability to detach thoughts and analyze multiple simultaneously without time lag. Chant Annulment: Due to this ability, Rimuru does not need to chant to cast magic. Analysis and Judgment: This ability improves Rimuru's capacity to analyze and make judgments regarding a target.

Great Sage

Thought Acceleration: This ability raises the rate at which Rimuru can process his thoughts a million times.

Isolation: Rimuru can isolate any harmful or unnecessary materials so that they will not harm him while absorbed into his body.

Mimicry: Rimuru can replicate the appearance of anyone he has absorbed, as well as their skills and abilities while taking up their form. However, the latter is dependent on how much information he had on his absorbing target and his success at analyzing their abilities.

Stomach: Rimuru can store absorbed items and targets within himself indefinitely.

Analysis: The absorbed target is studied and analyzed in order to create items from their materials. With enough materials, Rimuru can produce a duplicate of the absorbed target as an ally. If he successfully analyzes their skills or magic, he can begin to use them as his own.

• Magic Perception: The ability to perceive the surrounding magical energy.
  • In addition, the user is able to observe how waves disturb the nearby magical energy, then use that information to calculate the visual, auditory and other wave-based information of the surroundings. Magic Sense also grants the ability to understand and express the intent of spoken words even if the language of the conversation partner is unknown.
  • Magic Perception enables users to be aware of their environment in battle even if blind or deaf and prevent a surprise attack.
• Water Manipulation
  • Water Current Control
  • Hydraulic Propulsion: Using water, Kimura can shoot himself through water.
  • Water Blade: The ability to create a highly pressurized blade of water.
• Heat Detection: The ability to see nearby heat sources and also nullify camouflage skills.
• Noxious Mist Breath: The ability to exhale a noxious mist that is both poisonous and corrosive to anything that comes in contact with it. Rimuru can extend this ability across a 120┬░ cone in front of him with a radius of seven meters.
• Intimidation: can knock out opponents if they're scared enough.
• Paralysis Breath: The ability to paralysis his target with his breath.
• Vampirism: Can temporarily gain his targets abilities by sucking their blood.
• Telepathy: The ability to communicate with others telepathically.
• Ultrasonic Waves: Can release ultrasonic sound waves which can bewilder his enemy or cause them to faint as well as pinpoint his location and that of others.
• Noxious Breath: Releases a powerful breath which turns everything in an area of 20m into glass due to the extreme temperature.
• Thought Transmission: An improved version of Telepathy which allows for a network where many people can communicate telepathically, has a range of about a kilometer.
• Flight Magic: The ability fly.
• Body Armor Can used the Body Armor.
• Slime: As a slime, Rimuru is a monster that doesn't need to breathe, sleep or eat, as he can survive only on the magicules in the atmosphere. He is also physically incapable of feeling pai.
  • Skills: As a slime, Rimuru has the species-specific skills of absorption and Regenerationn.
• Demon Slime: As a demon slime, all his parameters are greatly increased. He also gained the ability to freely change between a material and spiritual body.
  • Skills: As a Demon Slime, his species-specific skills are decomposition absorption and endless Regenerationn. He also has the abilities of magic perception, heat detection, super olfaction, auditory perception, and demon lord's ambition.
  • Resistances: As a Demon Slime, he gained the resistances of physical attack nullification, natural effects nullification, status change nullification, spiritual attack resistance, and holy magic resistance.
• Multilayer Barrier: Can create a multilayer barrier, consisting of several layers each layer with one resistance effect each, so one layer could have resistance to fire, another resistance to ice etc.
• Magic Aura: An Extra Skill that lets Rimuru easily add magical effects to attacks with his own aura allowing him to harm beings like spiritual lifeforms that have no physical body.
• Heartless One: An ability which that seizes the soul of anyone who attempts to beg for their life in Rimuru's presence. Using this ability Rimuru seized the souls of several thousand soldiers at once.
• Physics Magic - "God's Wrath" (Megiddo): [An ability which creates several hundred thousand floating water droplets similar to convex lenses. These water drops refract light to cause it to converge into a single point in a makeshift mirror away while concentrating its power into a pencil-thin laser reaching temperatures of 1000┬░C. Since it relies on sunlight, this attack moves at the speed of light.
• Arcane Soul Recall: An ability which allows Rimuru to create a perfect copy of a soul, which makes it possible for him to resurrect others.
• Perception Manipulation Rimuru has the ability to accelerate a person's perception of time a million times.
• Herculean Strength: An ability Rimuru can use to boost his physical abilities via Fighting Spirit
• Tornado Blade: wind blade magic in shape of a sphere
• Area Boundary: A skill which seals thermal energy within a barrier within a maximum range of 100 meters, and prevents any from leaking.
• Fire Manipulation
  • Area Boundary: Seals thermal energy and prevents any heat from leaking out.
  • Fire State: Rimuru turns in a 2000┬░C cloud.
    • Freya Sphere: A skill that combines Rimuru's Area Boundary and Fire Manipulation, it seals the target in a boundary that prevents thermal energy from leaking out, and then burns the opponent from the inside. Any living thing that breathes air will perish within it.
  • Flame Bullet: An attack which hits the target with temperature surpassing 1400┬░C.
• Black Flame: A dark flame which can stop Regenerationn. Using this ability, Rimuru stopped the orc lord from regenerating his arm, and he had to sever the part of his arm with the flame in order to regenerate, the orc lord has also been shown regenerating after his head was severed from his body. This flame also has the resistance nullification property.
• Shadow Step: The ability to move within shadows, and teleport to people and also places he had been before. However, unlike Spatial Travel, this ability isn't instantaneous.
• Hell Flare: A dome five meters in diameter which burns the target to nothingness with temperatures of several hundred million degrees.

 

[GLHF22]

I don't think that matters because it's a fight between the two of them. So if he absorbs Rimuru then that's still a win con.

but thats also means he dead so incon

 

[Accelerate420]

None of those really does anything to Kakine from what I can see. They can destroy his body but he will always just regenerate. Kakine will lead off with the move that immediately results in his assured Regenerationn and win con. Rimuru could analyze him but I don't see what good that will do when he already has nothing to put Kakine down as he can't eleminate Dark Matter particles from the universe.Even if he Absorbs one body, the others will have already begun to decompose Rimuru down.

 

[GLHF22]

this is Second key Rimuru

 

[Accelerate420]

I don't think that matters because it's a fight between the two of them. So if he absorbs Rimuru then that's still a win con.

but thats also means he dead so incon

That's not really how this works because Rimuru is dead and the fight is over.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Thought Acceleration: This ability raises the rate at which Rimuru can process his thoughts a million times. This is how thought accel works in slime

"Do you see that you can't win now? So let me ask you. Tell me what you know and who you're cooperating with. Be honest with me, and I'll give you a painless death."

"Ha-ha-ha-ha-haaa! I am a walking dead! Kill me all you want; I'll just resurrect myself and come back later to kill— Ounngh?!"

I punched him. Then again, and again and again, without a word. I also applied Mind Accelerate, speeding it up a million times for him. Raphael could influence not just my perspective but those of people around me.

In the real world, it lasted several seconds. But in Clayman's mind, I was continually punching him, tormenting him with pain and terror, for several dozen days. So I could carve that pain and terror into his soul.

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I could use Mind Accelerate to speed up my brain a million times until it felt like time stopped. I could even cast spells in that state, making it look like I could just think of a magic spell to set it off.

Kneading together a big ball of magic was a terribly inefficient use of my time, so I didn't opt for that here. Unlike a full spell, which could be conceived and cast through one's will (or knowledge, in other words), controlling one's aura always led to a time lag. Of course, I could handle that because I had Cast Cancel and All of Creation. No matter how long and intricate a spell was, living life a million times slower than normal made it simple. One second, after all, now felt like two hundred and seventy-seven hours. Even the fanciest of spells could be pulled off in less than a day, so that meant I could trigger them in less than a tenth of a second. With regular magic, it was simple for me to set off multiples at the same time, even.

 

[Accelerate420]

How many people can he apply this to? Because the Kakine clones wouldn't be affected entirely if only one is put under that. Even then that doesn't really change anything because it can't kill him.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

He will use it to himself

 

[GLHF22]

I don't think that matters because it's a fight between the two of them. So if he absorbs Rimuru then that's still a win con.

but thats also means he dead so inco

That's not really how this works because Rimuru is dead and the fight is over.

no Rimuru is not dead, when Kakine trying to absorbs Rimuru he have to face veldora first because Veldora Resides inside Rimuru stomach

 

[Accelerate420]

What is the casting time of this and how does it affect Kakine, who would start off by attempting to either atomize or absorb Rimuru?

 

[GLHF22]

How many people can he apply this to? Because the Kakine clones wouldn't be affected entirely if only one is put under that. Even then that doesn't really change anything because it can't kill him.

Rimuru can absorbs all matter btw so he can absorbs anything even kakinei clones, just wan you to know his Gluttony works like black hole, it sucks you into his body.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Plus he has Info Analyis, and I don't see Fear resistance to Kakine's profile because that will trigger the soul hax from Heartless One

 

[Accelerate420]

I don't think that matters because it's a fight between the two of them. So if he absorbs Rimuru then that's still a win con.

but thats also means he dead so inco

That's not really how this works because Rimuru is dead and the fight is over.

no Rimuru is not dead, when Kakine trying to absorbs Rimuru he have to face veldora first because Veldora Resides inside Rimuru stomach

Then wouldn't Veldora get absorbed with him? They all get decomposed into Dark Matter, and it says that he can't die as long as Rimuru exists. Which he wouldn't. So he'd die.

 

[GLHF22]

He doesnt have feats absobs someone as strong as Veldora, and Rimuru resist power absorption

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Does Rimuru resists absorption on macro quantum level?

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Rimuru always activate thought accel and the reason why his opponent can keep up with him is because they have thought accel too

 

[GLHF22]

Does Rimuru resists absorption on macro quantum level?

soul level

 

[Accelerate420]

Plus he has Info Analyis, and I don't see Fear resistance to Kakine's profile because that will trigger the soul hax from Heartless One

One: We went through this. Kakine is just matter and doesn't feel fear.

Cool. So he tries to absorb Kakine and Kakine sticks dark matter to him in the process and decomposes him while the other Kakine clones chill.

Atomization it is then instead of absorbtion.

Okay. So since this will go around in circles, I'm just gonna say my vote.

I vote for Kakine since Rimuru has no ways to put him down aside from techniques to stall the fight. Kakine leads off with creating Dark Matter so he can't be killed and then decomposes Rimuru with DM atomization at a sub-atomic level.