Elder Evils CRT

[Mr. Bambu]

That should be good, yeah.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well I'll just make some bullet points here for the Far Realm

• Far Realm is beyond time I guess 2
• Some entites in the Far Realm are as strong as Deities 1 2 3
• Typically stated as being above the normal cosmology: 1 2 3
• Sages theorizes that the strongest of the Elder Evils are responsible for the Far Realm's existence
• Yog-Sothoth Bolothamogg is the embodiment of nothingness or something
• Far Realm is stated as being the end point of existence and on the edge of time and space
• I think its called timeless here but I can't be sure
• Warlocks form packs with Far Realm things to overcome matter and space(?)

 

[Mr. Bambu]

That sounds like Immeasurable (again, I know).

 

[Qawsedf234]

Far Realm is so weird physics wise its hard to make like, determine stats. Once a Far Realm creature is limited to the material multiverse I believe they're forced to take shape and get weaker due to that. So its possible that they would need two keys "Material World | Far Realm".

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Not a bad idea.

also started on Ithyak Ortheel's page. Turns out it has Existence Erasure with it's mouth.

 

[Udlmaster]

Also, they should have Type 5 Acausality, since they are unbound by time and physics, which causality comes under both.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

...Possibly? That makes sense but I'd like more on that end since Type 5 Acausality is sorta a big deal.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Kezef the Chaos Hound is up

Soul Hax + Infinite Speed Amp + Mid-Godly Regen Negation gg

 

[Qawsedf234]

Tbh D&D Azathoth profile when. Also nice profile

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Ithyak-Ortheel is up, too

Decent Existence Erasure, stated to be able to eat souls, otherwise not much, Kezef is probably the strongest High 6-B D&D guy

 

[Udlmaster]

That's interesting, that it was Kezef that ate Tyr's hand in D&D.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Yeah it's basically Fenrir's myth all over again, plus a whole lot of maggots

 

[Udlmaster]

Yeah it's basically Fenrir's myth all over again, plus a whole lot of maggots

Funny thing is, I believe Fenrir exists in D&D IIRC.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Does he? I've never heard of him.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Its weird. In 2e and 3e it was stated that Fenrir exists and will kill Odin in Ragnarok, but the Chaos Hound takes a lot of his characteristics. I wanna say that in 3e and 4e they're separate entities and in 2e/5e they could be different aspects of the same creature like how FR Lolth is a different person than Greyhawk Lolth.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

ah

right

Also I plan on working on all the "Champions of Evil" found in the Champions of Ruin book since, again, I actually have it rn

 

[Qawsedf234]

Cool. After doing the Abominations I plan on making or help make a Demogorgon page. He's one of the notable characters that's missing one.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Yeah a good few Demon Lords should be added. Demogorgon, Igglwhombst the fungi lady was pretty neat, Pale Night, Graz'zt, etc

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So Aumvor is an Epic level spellcaster and is responsible for a few epic level spells being created, we can probably safely tier him as "At least 6-B, possibly far higher", yes?

He also seems to have a bit of 4-D fuckery about him, as he's trying to break down Mystra's powers and limitations on magic and is having some success.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Don't see why he couldn't be 6-B if he's comparable to a late game Adventurer

 

[Qawsedf234]

Semi-releated but according to the same source that detailed Karsus's Avatar, Karsus himself was a level 41 Arcanist. An Arcanist was like a Wizard on steroids since they didn't need to remember spells and had a psionic-esq energy pool for repeated casting.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well after going through a bunch of books with the Far Realm in it, I haven't found anything about Far Realm gods. Just that the stronger entities that inhabit the Far Realm are comparable in strength to the gods, Now there is one quote that states the ancient Elder Evils either created the Far Realm or brought it into existence, but that seems a bit contradictory with the realm's nature. But who knows.

I definitely don't think any God should scale to the upper tier EEs though. They can't even handle the Far Realm without their minds reaching the breaking point, let alone be comparable to things that could possibly spawn the place (also found a bunch of quotes that back 1-A scaling I guess).

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Oh

Niceu

Also just finished work on Soneillon and Imbrar Heltharn, got them listed as 7-B for being waaaay above the CR 13 Low 7-B+ feat

Scroll all the way dow

 

[Qawsedf234]

> Note 2: Aumvor is stated to have access to all spells standard in the Player's Handbook, as well as many others that are not elaborated on; as such, they have been ignored for the purposes of this profile. It is understood that he potentially has these abilities, but without further elaboration they cannot be added.

Well.... that's not totally broken or anything

Also for Imbrar's AP you wrote "She" instead of "He"

 

[Udlmaster]

What should we list the Pale Lady as? Since if she takes off her cloak it's an instant OHKO no matter your level, similar to thy Lady of Pain.

She herself also rules layer 666 (Of course, as any one shotting boss should) and that she is so ugly reality itself rejects her.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Pale Lady is likely gonna be "At least Low 2-C" or "At least 2-C". The layer she's on is infinite in size and is controlled by the one really angry Minotaur Demon Lord, but even he can't remove her from his layer (in fact she suppressed his rage/powers and forced him to sign some pact). Also she controls another layer (417) but its not infinite in size in the editions where she's appeared in.

 

[Udlmaster]

Supposidly, she's the Mother of an Entire Race of Demons, or at least the Mother of very specific very powerful Demons, and considering she's among the Oldest, if not the Oldest Demon (Assuming the Mother of all Demons thing to be true), she'd rank above all of them besides Final Word Orcus.

 

[Qawsedf234]

She's not a Demon in the same way Demogorgon or Orcus is a demon (as in a Tanar'ri), but an Obyrith which predates them. Also like, having a child doesn't scale you to said child without proper reasoning. We don't rate Sue Storm at 2-C because she had Franklin Richards. Her best scaling is in the Low 2-C to 2-C range depending on how high we end up rating Baphomet.

 

[Udlmaster]

Fair enough, although, it's highly likely that it was more so creation (Insert medium here) than literal child birth, considering the fact there's stated to be an infinite amount of Demons (Or something to that claim) IIRC.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Demons sorta like, spring up from the negative energies of the Abyss or the souls of CE things. She's given birth to a lot of Demons and some of them went on to conquer a Abyssal Layer, but I still don't think she would scale to the various births. Since typically a Demon has to gain enough power to bend a layer to their will and afterwards get a pretty notable amp from doing so.

Also there's something to consider with the Demon race claim, its not verified via narration

Much has been written about this mysterious demon lord. The Mors Mysterium Nominum claims she is the mother of several tanar'ri lords, including Graz'zt, Lupercio, and Vucarik of Chains. The Black Scrolls of Ahm claim she is the mother of nothing less than the tanar'ri race. Iggwilv's Demonomico, on the other hand, portrays her not as a mother of demons but as a mother of several notorious and monstrous Material Plane races such as the harpy and the lamia. What seems certain is that Pale Night is viewed as a mother figure by not only her cultists but also by many of the denizens of the Abyss itself.

Its just one example given of her being a mother figure culturally.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

She... is so ugly reality itself rejects her.

I relate to this on so many levels

Also @Qawsed yeah Aumvor is quite literally Composite Wizard to a certain point lol

and Qawsed, the main thing for Low 2-C/2-C/2-B/2-A stuff is how many space-time continuums- infinite space is only a pre-req for the first

2-C should be fine for Pale Lady, also if we're going by any lore statements, Iggwilv's Demonomicon is probably the most reliable in this context?

Side note, Imbrar Helthar and Soneillon the Whispering Quee are up.

 

[Udlmaster]

I did something to the Main D&D page, what do you lot think?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I saw, keep going. Looks good.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Demonomicon is at least shown to he pretty reliable in-universe. For Pale Night she suppressed the Minotaur dude who fights the one evil Gnoll Demon a lot and controls the 417th layer completly. So she should be "At least Low 2-C" like how Mal currently is iirc.

 

[Udlmaster]

Done, the entire thing has now had a make-over.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Nice job

 

[Udlmaster]

Whenever you guys make new character profiles, just go into the source editor and add this:

File:[Picture Name].[Picture type]|[Name of the Character]|link=[Link to the profile]

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Gotcha

Looks good, job well done boyo

 

[Udlmaster]

Eyyyyyyyy