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I mean, supercluster or not, there's nothing to suggest a tier 3 for the Beast
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go to number 4 and you will see what this video is metioning for my 3-B.I mean, supercluster or not, there's nothing to suggest a tier 3 for the Beast
I mean, supercluster or not, there's nothing to suggest a tier 3 for the Beast
that item and its description flew under the radar for a while, but i am happy to say, we have got some solid evidence and yes we got some good stuff.Oh shit, that's a good thing
Well, no limits are specified. We talk about "stars" and "constellations". By doing a rough analysis, the farthest star visible to the naked eye is about 40 light years away, the Galaxy is about 50,000 light years in radius for 200 billion stars (low estimates), so that's 200*10^9/7.5*10^9=27 stars per LY^2 (the galaxy is essentially a plane), 40 LY in radius is 4800 LY^2 so 4800*27= 126,900 stars whose motion is stopped by Radhan assuming that it stops at the stars visible to the naked eye (without counting what is not a star, nova and galaxies).Hum is there anything to suggest he affected the whole universe?
that's a good calc, ellbe. looks like there is no limit specified? that's a big difference.Well, no limits are specified. We talk about "stars" and "constellations". By doing a rough analysis, the farthest star visible to the naked eye is about 40 light years away, the Galaxy is about 50,000 light years in radius for 200 billion stars (low estimates), so that's 200*10^9/7.5*10^9=27 stars per LY^2 (the galaxy is essentially a plane), 40 LY in radius is 4800 LY^2 so 4800*27= 126,900 stars whose motion is stopped by Radhan assuming that it stops at the stars visible to the naked eye (without counting what is not a star, nova and galaxies).
I didn't reread it, idc, there are probably some mistakes.
For now I'd change the speed thing to "Fights the Tarnished who's comparable to ancient dragons that can catch lightning bolts" and and links my gif somewhere.tell me what you think about it
Yeah I agree here. In my view Radahn is holding back Voidbeasts after his training with the Nox mage in Raya. Them all being stars just has to much active contradictions in my view.Not only is there no evidence that he is handling real stars, but obvious meteors are counted as stars which is no longer just gratuitous but trivially wrong
While not a direct mention its heavily implied it was him, since he's the one who destroyed their skies and we know he entered in high enough to crash through Farum Azula. So it being there at one point and then it being gone at a later point is backed up.Astel is not 5-C. No mention of him destroying any moons, and Nokstella's moon is either a reference to an Outer God or a city-specific object.
Like with the other Tier 4 ratings the Elden Beasts' 4-A rating is not the default assumption, but an acknowledgement it may have preformed an actually feat.Elden Beast is not 4-A. There is no proof that it created a dimension filled with Erdtree and stars because it thought it was funny.
Actually I only think that's 4-A. Or if it is tier 3 it's a very low 3-C. Since they can only scale to the GBE of the stars you have to move over a quadrillion of them to get out of 4-A afaik.Stopping the movement of the whole universe is worth a 3-C/3-B.
Unless I totally misunderstood your calc, it's just about counting shooting stars right? In that case, it is still useful, but replacing the stars by meteors (similar to the one that crashes on Limgrave).Yeah I agree here. In my view Radahn is holding back Voidbeasts after his training with the Nox mage in Raya. Them all being stars just has to much active contradictions in my view.
However the calc I did included different ends for everything, it's just that only one end was chosen since we decided to split the ratings.
Actually I only think that's 4-A. Or if it is tier 3 it's a very low 3-C. Since they can only scale to the GBE of the stars you have to move over a quadrillion of them to get out of 4-A afaik.
Yeah. For an alternate you would just need to calc the impact in Limgrave or Mt. Gelmer and just multiply it by 643.Unless I totally misunderstood your calc, it's just about counting shooting stars right? In that case, it is still useful, but replacing the stars by meteors (similar to the one that crashes on Limgrave).
I understand. I was just mentioning that even if he stopped literally every star in the sky it would only be 4-A. The universe would need quadrillions of stars to get past 4-A.but of course I don't believe that Radahn has manipulated 100,000+ stars. That's speculation on my part.
I edited the speed stuff like this but I don't have any gifs currentlyFor now I'd change the speed thing to "Fights the Tarnished who's comparable to ancient dragons that can catch lightning bolts" and and links my gif somewhere.
I made one and linked it in my radahn calc post.don't have any gifs currently
It assumes rather than getting her Shadow, who is specifically crafted to be her body-guard so she doesn't have to fight or her literal bloodthirsty Warrior husband who is actively already killing all the giants didn't do it in her name.It assumes much less since we have a in-universe items that directly states she killed the god, we have in-universe speeches confirming she was at the battle and we know she was there when they learned the giant's forge wouldn't go out to curse the final Fire Giant.
It requires far more assumptions to assume she had someone else do it rather than she just do it herself. Especially when she was stated to do it and nothing else says otherwise.
Because the only examples of Margit are shades and there is a shade in the exact location where he defended the City, in the same battlefield.Morgott crawled out of the sewers to protect Leyndell from falling to Radahn's army. Him taking up the name Margit to hide his identity is obvious, the sole point I'm arguing against is that it was his actual body battling Radahn and not a shade that's somewhere above Godrick's strength.
Why would he only have a shade fight a demigod directly attacking his city?
Yeah I sort of changed my mind on that after fighting the Lich Dragon. One of its moves is to jump in the air and backhand catch a lightning bolt to them swing around.don't think that's a good exemple. We clearly invoke lightning. We don't catch it "against its will", it comes to lodge itself in our hand.
But it doesn't assume. We have a lore item that says she killed it. You're making an assumption she had someone else do it, not the other way around.assumes rather than getting her Shadow, who is specifically crafted to be her body-guard so she doesn't have to fight or her literal bloodthirsty Warrior husband who is actively already killing all the giants didn't do it in her name.
I feel like your comment here comes from a misunderstanding of my claim here.What would be the problem in that, really? As a Shardbearer, he has a portion of the power from the Elden Ring, and we know where he stands.
Its probably easier to try and argue you dodge fulgurbloom lightning for a speed feat, nothing about them implies they supernaturally call lightning, the description is just that they grow where it strikes a lot, and nothing implies we get the indicators in lore, so you can try to use that instead if you wanted lightning speed stuffYeah I sort of changed my mind on that after fighting the Lich Dragon. One of its moves is to jump in the air and backhand catch a lightning bolt to them swing around.
It's probably closer to just electricity manipulation rather than fast dragons.
Could still get Lightning Speed that way.Its probably easier to try and argue you dodge fulgurbloom lightning for a speed feat, nothing about them implies they supernaturally call lightning, the description is just that they grow where it strikes a lot, and nothing implies we get the indicators in lore, so you can try to use that instead if you wanted lightning speed stuff
You mean the moon shattering 5-C stuff?Also if we want to toss the Astel thing
Torrent can actually outrun Crossbow Bolts and Arrows so that's something to back this up at least.We could just roll with subsonic for dodging crossbows until a calc is done.
This. Them being thrown underground was supposed to be punishment for defying the GW and the GO, if they had an opening big enough for a monster like Astel to be able to shatter a moon (even of tier 7 size), it would have made no sense for them to not try to escapeIt's pretty likely it wasn't underground when Astel smashed it, given the whole thing about him coming down from space in the first place, and there's no like, entry point he could have crashed through to reach underground.
If the Eternal City was already underground before he came, the descriptions mentioning them being stuck under a false night and waiting for the liege and the age of stars so they can escape that fate, wouldn't make sense, as they'd have had a massive, Astel shaped opening to escape, and see the real sky from and wouldn't have to wait for the meteor to hit Limgrave.
The most likely timeline is that he crashed down, probably hitting Farum Azula along the way, destroyed the moon and staged his attack on the Eternal City, and then the cities were banished underground for their transgressions and he just ended up going with it
Agreed.This. Them being thrown underground was supposed to be punishment for defying the GW and the GO, if they had an opening big enough for a monster like Astel to be able to shatter a moon (even of tier 7 size), it would have made no sense for them to not try to escape
yes, i agree because throwing out the Moon bust feat over flawed reasoning is not reasonable and also would contradict with the lore.This. Them being thrown underground was supposed to be punishment for defying the GW and the GO, if they had an opening big enough for a monster like Astel to be able to shatter a moon (even of tier 7 size), it would have made no sense for them to not try to escape
Them plus any secondary/minor characters like Adan Thief of Fire and so on who are defeated as soon as LiurniaWell at this point we have
Once that last one is done I think we can make a thing for everyone barring the Tarnished, Margit, Rennala and Godrick since they need lower tier calcs.
- A tier for everyone Radahn and after
- We (mostly) have an agreement on the split keys
- Speed is bad but subsonic until we find something should be fine. Plus Dark Souls have trash speed so its nothing major
- We need to calc people's lifting strength