Edens Zero Discussion Thread: The Post-Void Saga!

[Popted2]

That’s fine I guess

Thanks for your input Mitch

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

 

[Eseseso]

1. At least that piece of garbage Jesse died.

2. Come on, Mashima! Just gimme a sweet new form for Shiki that lets him match OD Ziggy!

3. I wonder what's up with Hermit needing to see Elsie's medical profile.

4. Can't wait to see Homura's mech in action!

 

[Popted2]

1. At least that piece of garbage Jesse died.

2. Come on, Mashima! Just gimme a sweet new form for Shiki that lets him match OD Ziggy!

3. I wonder what's up with Hermit needing to see Elsie's medical profile.

4. Can't wait to see Homura's mech in action!

well before the new transformation of Shiki, we need to see the mistery of the real enemy

Elsie is involved in this, wich is great

i'm happy that Jesse died, but damn this guy even dead is still causing problems, since Justice will definetly attack Homura

also loved that Irene cameo

 

[Nierre]

Edens Zero trying to reach the most plotwists in any manga series lmao

 

[Popted2]

Edens Zero trying to reach the most plotwists in any manga series lmao

i swear its insane how Mashima is good at handling this

 

[Eseseso]

Honestly, for all this arc's faults, I'm gonna forgive basically all of them just because Jessie died.

Also the Rebecca x Shiki moments at the start of the arc.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Cure is here

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Cure is here

Shouldn't he have Large Size with the fused with dead end crow

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

This also reminds me, are we ever gonna do a crt on the ziggy dura feat?

 

[PariahParadox]

Chapter 212

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Holy shit

Also I'm glad it didn't end up with Homura being attacked here ngl

 

[ÆONS]

Elsie's mom was gone just like that.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Acnoella was a combination of Acnologia, Irene, and also God Serena

No wonder she got done in so fast

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Atleast she was hot before getting folded

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I knew that when Hiro was choosing to have all the Interstellar and Galactica in 1 arc, a bunch of them would be rushed

This was inevitable, especially considering we also had the 4 Dark Stars and the Edens Zero Crew

That's like a total of 20+ relevant characters

 

[Eseseso]

Elsie rocked, but holy shit the rushing of the arc is atrocious.

It's like GoT Season 8.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

It's like GoT Season 8.

No, it's nothing like that

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

It's more fast paced now and a few people are dying yeah. But that's about it

 

[ÆONS]

Elsie rocked, but holy shit the rushing of the arc is atrocious.

It's like GoT Season 8.

Its not even close, there's other stories that have been worse than this, but yeah I was really looking forward to this altercation after Hiro rushed through so much of this only to be let down again.

 

[Eseseso]

I was hoping for Dragon lady to have cool abilities since in my mass crossover that'll never be finished, she fights Juvia.

 

[Popted2]

while i do agree the series is getting a little too fast paced, now that there is only Ziggy left, we should be fine, so Hiro can focus more on the story and have more time to think for the pace,

don't know if i explained well

 

[Eseseso]

Only way I'll forgive Hiro for ruining this arc is by giving Shiki a sweet new form to let him match/beat OD Ziggy.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Only way I'll forgive Hiro for ruining this arc is by giving Shiki a sweet new form to let him match/beat OD Ziggy.

This arc wasn't "ruined"

Your expectations for Hiro are just dumb... We were dealing with a Wano amount of characters with Hiro's writing style, the Oracion Seis were never gonna last that long

 

[Eseseso]

This arc wasn't "ruined"

Your expectations for Hiro are just dumb... We were dealing with a Wano amount of characters with Hiro's writing style, the Oracion Seis were never gonna last that long

Come on, so was the (also-rushed) Alvarez arc and even that one wasn't as bad as this.

Btw, I would trade my soul for Mashima to get with Oda and do a manga/anime crossover special between One Piece and either Edens Zero or Fairy Tail (or both) like One Piece did with DBZ and Toriko!

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Come on, so was the (also-rushed) Alvarez arc and even that one wasn't as bad as this.

I don't know what you expected after Nero... The Oracion Seis were never the most important. Nero got wrapped up real quick. And Jaguar got wrapped up real quick. It only makes sense a lot that aren't as important would follow suit. Hiro is a writer who isn't afraid to scrap a character real quick in favor of giving more hype and time to the characters he really cares about. He wanted to spend a lot of time on Ziggy, the 4 Dark Stars, Elsie, and Deadend Crow, so that inevitably took away time from Acnoella, Cure, and more. And once again, stop expecting villains to last for a fight that's more than 1-3 Chapters, Hiro RARELY ever does that. This isn't One Piece where every villain gets a 5 chapter fight. Wano is the length you get when you try to give all the villains a decently long fight.

 

[Eseseso]

I don't know what you expected after Nero... The Oracion Seis were never the most important. Nero got wrapped up real quick. And Jaguar got wrapped up real quick. It only makes sense a lot that aren't as important would follow suit. Hiro is a writer who isn't afraid to scrap a character real quick in favor of giving more hype and time to the characters he really cares about. He wanted to spend a lot of time on Ziggy, the 4 Dark Stars, Elsie, and Deadend Crow, so that inevitably took away time from Acnoella, Cure, and more. And once again, stop expecting villains to last for a fight that's more than 1-3 Chapters, Hiro RARELY ever does that. This isn't One Piece where every villain gets a 5 chapter fight. Wano is the length you get when you try to give all the villains a decently long fight.

But why should we fans try to get invested in the story if the characters' struggles and triumphs are rushed through and anyone not named Ziggy is given no time to shine?

Where's the tension?

Considering how Mashima anime actually has good pacing (unlike Toei One Piece), a lot of anime-only fans are not going to understand why like 5 of this arc's fights start and end in the same episode.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

But why should we fans try to get invested in the story if the characters' struggles and triumphs are rushed through and anyone not named Ziggy is given no time to shine?

Bruh like, what are you talking about? We've focused a lot on these characacters... Acnoella got wrapped up real quick yeah, but Deadend Crow got a decent amount of time dedicated to him. The Dark Stars got time to shine as well and they were who were important. Acnoella didn't have much of a place for importance in this story outside of furthering Elsie

Where's the tension?

You aren't feeling tension from the secret and true evil behind everything? Especially when in Edens Zero, the characters are dropping like flies

Don't tell me you don't feel tension from Elsie being the true evil...?

Considering how Mashima anime actually has good pacing (unlike Toei One Piece), a lot of anime-only fans are not going to understand why like 5 of this arc's fights start and end in the same episode.

Oh please, what Anime Onlies?

 

[Eseseso]

Bruh like, what are you talking about? We've focused a lot on these characacters... Acnoella got wrapped up real quick yeah, but Deadend Crow got a decent amount of time dedicated to him.

Deadend Crow made zero sense.

The Dark Stars got time to shine as well and they were who were important.

Eh.

Acnoella didn't have much of a place for importance in this story outside of furthering Elsie

Wasted potential

You aren't feeling tension from the secret and true evil behind everything? Especially when in Edens Zero, the characters are dropping like flies

Don't tell me you don't feel tension from Elsie being the true evil...?

If the next chapter lays things out then maybe.

Oh please, what Anime Onlies?

There are always anime-onlies.

 

[Popted2]

i wanna be honest, for the way i see it

i agree that Deadend Crow, Cure and Acnoella should have lasted longer, however like Mitch i agree that the Plot right now is more important then these characters

basically Hiro is focusing more in the plot itself, not the non relevant characters

or at least that's what i think

do you agree with me Mitch?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

i wanna be honest, for the way i see it

i agree that Deadend Crow, Cure and Acnoella should have lasted longer, however like Mitch i agree that the Plot right now is more important then these characters

basically Hiro is focusing more in the plot itself, not the non relevant characters

or at least that's what i think

do you agree with me Mitch?

I agree entirely. Ziggy, the Dark Stars, Elsie, and even the debaucle around Deadend Crow are all what Hiro wanted to focus on. We're getting huge lore drops and huge plot reveals that require time given to them. And now we have a lot of importance for Nox and Connor's relationship. Deadend Crow got a decent bit for what he was. And Cure was definitely rushed, I'll admit that, but if you just look at Deadend Crow and Cure as the same dude, that works. Point is there's no time for all of these villains to shine. Acnoella is a stepping stone for Elsie looks like, although she may not be dead yet. We'll figure it all out soon enough.

Edens Zero is still pretty hype right now, I mean we got Elsie being the potential end game boss for christ's sake

 

[ÆONS]

I agree entirely. Ziggy, the Dark Stars, Elsie, and even the debaucle around Deadend Crow are all what Hiro wanted to focus on. We're getting huge lore drops and huge plot reveals that require time given to them. And now we have a lot of importance for Nox and Connor's relationship. Deadend Crow got a decent bit for what he was. And Cure was definitely rushed, I'll admit that, but if you just look at Deadend Crow and Cure as the same dude, that works. Point is there's no time for all of these villains to shine. Acnoella is a stepping stone for Elsie looks like, although she may not be dead yet. We'll figure it all out soon enough.

Edens Zero is still pretty hype right now, I mean we got Elsie being the potential end game boss for christ's sake

The Dark Stars were never a focal point of the story, I do not understand why you believe those four were as none of them have been brought up even once at this point despite them quickly dying in the same arc we are currently in. The only one of them who was mildly important was Brigandine and his altercation with Homura since his relationship with Valkyrie was actually relevant to Homura's POV, and I should reiterate that it was only one of the four and nobody (even the Dark Stars) actually reflected on his death.

Deadend Crow and Cures' roles in the story only affected Holy's place in the narrative and I could argue even she is not remotely relevant to the main storyline between Elsie, Rebecca, Shiki and Ziggy.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

The Dark Stars were never a focal point of the story, I do not understand why you believe those four were as none of them have been brought up even once at this point despite them quickly dying in the same arc we are currently in. The only one of them who was mildly important was Brigandine and his altercation with Homura since his relationship with Valkyrie was actually relevant to Homura's POV, and I should reiterate that it was only one of the four and nobody (even the Dark Stars) actually reflected on his death.

Deadend Crow and Cures' roles in the story only affected Holy's place in the narrative and I could argue even she is not remotely relevant to the main storyline between Elsie, Rebecca, Shiki and Ziggy.

The 4 Dark Stars are all very clearly important... Bruh Shiki saw them as Humans in the past

There's clearly far more to them that we will eventually learn

 

[ÆONS]

The 4 Dark Stars are all very clearly important... Bruh Shiki saw them as Humans in the past

There's clearly far more to them that we will eventually learn

...but they're dead.

There's nothing left to learn of them because they were quickly disposed of from the story. The only chance of screen time they have is via flashbacks by Shiki or whoever from the Shining Stars when investigating more lore about Ziggy himself and his plans. And, frankly, learning people who're dead just from flashbacks and not them living and breathing at the moment contributing to the story beyond just building to the lore just doesn't service their character well or make worthwhile experiences. What's more is that I simply cannot imagine them contributing anything monumental in the grand scheme of things to waste many panels exploring them as people when it would have been much better done earlier in the story. The Shining Stars themselves aren't at all affected by their deaths and clearly aren't prioritizing their history in order to investigate a bigger narrative about Elsie. Finally, and its just my own opinion, but I simply do not care about the Dark Stars. They had a chance to land a mark on me and they managed to fall even flatter than the folks from Ocean 6.

This could be just me struggling to accept Hiro's writing but for someone who has had nearly zero problems with his writing and storytelling for most of the manga up until this very arc and that I know that I'm not alone in my sentiments leads me to believe that there's something about this arc that has been lost.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

...but they're dead.

There's nothing left to learn of them because they were quickly disposed of from the story. The only chance of screen time they have is via flashbacks by Shiki or whoever from the Shining Stars when investigating more lore about Ziggy himself and his plans. And, frankly, learning people who're dead just from flashbacks and not them living and breathing at the moment contributing to the story beyond just building to the lore just doesn't service their character well or make worthwhile experiences. What's more is that I simply cannot imagine them contributing anything monumental in the grand scheme of things to waste many panels exploring them as people when it would have been much better done earlier in the story. The Shining Stars themselves aren't at all affected by their deaths and clearly aren't prioritizing their history in order to investigate a bigger narrative about Elsie. Finally, and its just my own opinion, but I simply do not care about the Dark Stars. They had a chance to land a mark on me and they managed to fall even flatter than the folks from Ocean 6.

This could be just me struggling to accept Hiro's writing but for someone who has had nearly zero problems with his writing and storytelling for most of the manga up until this very arc and that I know that I'm not alone in my sentiments leads me to believe that there's something about this arc that has been lost.

*Me who's been reading Hiro's Manga for 11+ Years

Me: "Yep, this is what Hiro does"

 

[ÆONS]

*Me who's been reading Hiro's Manga for 11+ Years

Me: "Yep, this is what Hiro does"

All of what you just said simply means that there has been something wrong with his writing since over a decade and he's never managed to improve it. You're making the situation about him as a writer worse than before.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

All of what you just said simply means that there has been something wrong with his writing since over a decade and he's never managed to improve it. You're making the situation worse than before.

See that's the thing though, you're the one who has the problems. I don't see the story as being rushed or wasted. I see it as Hiro not wanting to further these characters to begin with. They're one off characters who don't have much relevance and don't actually matter to main plot, so Hiro doesn't expand upon them.

I don't have a problem with how Acnoella went out because I know it's meant to further Elsie's character. If you don't like that type of writing style, then don't read Hiro Mashima Manga, because Hiro moves fast and will get rid of characters that don't serve the main plot of the story.

 

[ÆONS]

See that's the thing though, you're the one who has the problems. I don't see the story as being rushed or wasted. I see it as Hiro not wanting to further these characters to begin with. They're one off characters who don't have much relevance and don't actually matter to main plot, so Hiro doesn't expand upon them.

You not seeing the situation the same way I do doesn't mean that the problem is all on me. I am not the only person here who has a problem with his writing in this arc and people have been critical of him as a writer for a very long time. I can go on and on about Hiro's mistreatment of his side characters but I would prefer waiting for this arc to be over for me to give my full perspective on the matter.

I don't have a problem with how Acnoella went out because I know it's meant to further Elsie's character. If you don't like that type of writing style, then don't read Hiro Mashima Manga, because Hiro moves fast and will get rid of characters that don't serve the main plot of the story.

See, this is what I dislike about you and countless people who relentlessly defend people's works against criticism. Instead of choosing to engage with criticism bit by bit and actually explain why you disagree with our assertions, you people take the fact that we are reading the story at all and weaponize that against us in order to remove us from spaces in order to preserve your gorgeous bubbles and believe that we are bad faith actors or a nuisance when we are not.

And have you bothered to even think about why people would even read/watch "bad media?" Maybe they do so because they themselves are aspiring writers who want to read poorly-written books/comics in order to learn from the mistakes writers make. Maybe because in spite of there being problems in the story, people want to keep reading it because there's content that is actually good for them and want more of it. Or maybe because the story is almost over and they spent so much time going through it that they want to see it to the end.

You don't have a problem with how Acnoella went overdrive, beat up both Justice and Homura and died by Elsie's hand all in one chapter and that's fine. But I do. I am capable of explaining why this abrupt death (assuming it even is one) as well as Hiro's writing style are insufficient for Elsie both as a character and a person and many other people can too. You can even excuse the atrocious writing for Cure. You can listen to me or choose not to, I don't care. But I'd rather not have to put up with your nonsense when I am being critical of the story.

 

[Eseseso]

You not seeing the situation the same way I do doesn't mean that the problem is all on me. I am not the only person here who has a problem with his writing in this arc and people have been critical of him as a writer for a very long time. I can go on and on about Hiro's mistreatment of his side characters but I would prefer waiting for this arc to be over for me to give my full perspective on the matter.

See, this is what I dislike about you and countless people who relentlessly defend people's works against criticism. Instead of choosing to engage with criticism bit by bit and actually explain why you disagree with our assertions, you people take the fact that we are reading the story at all and weaponize that against us in order to remove us from spaces in order to preserve your gorgeous bubbles and believe that we are bad faith actors or a nuisance when we are not.

And have you bothered to even think about why people would even read/watch "bad media?" Maybe they do so because they themselves are aspiring writers who want to read poorly-written books/comics in order to learn from the mistakes writers make. Maybe because in spite of there being problems in the story, people want to keep reading it because there's content that is actually good for them and want more of it. Or maybe because the story is almost over and they spent so much time going through it that they want to see it to the end.

You don't have a problem with how Acnoella went overdrive, beat up both Justice and Homura and died by Elsie's hand all in one chapter and that's fine. But I do. I am capable of explaining why this abrupt death (assuming it even is one) as well as Hiro's writing style are insufficient for Elsie both as a character and a person and many other people can too. You can even excuse the atrocious writing for Cure. You can listen to me or choose not to, I don't care. But I'd rather not have to put up with your nonsense when I am being critical of the story.

You should've seen him defend the disappointment that was Chapter 105 of 100 Years Quest

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

You should've seen him defend the disappointment that was Chapter 105 of 100 Years Quest

Erza vs Misaki was great

I don’t care